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PennEd

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He made his decision, like us...

Here it is an author´s opinion:

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Zacchaeus gave HALF his wealth away, and Jesus was cool with that. The issue with the rich young ruler was that he was unwilling to give his whole heart to God. It manifested itself in his love for his wealth. Some people have the issue of giving up lust, or anger, or alcohol, or gluttony etc... WEALTH was the rich young ruler's issue. It DOES NOT mean that wealth itself is inherently sinful.
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And Zacchaeus stood, and said to the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold
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Here it is what the SH said:

"A.T.says: August 7, 2015 at 8:36 pm

It´s an exercise of FREE WILL when a person is being called by Jesus, not this world.
Mat 19:21 Jesus replied, “If you want to be perfect, go sell everything you own! Give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and be my follower.”
Mat 19:22 When the young man heard this, he was sad, because he was very rich.
Mat 19:23 Jesus said to his disciples, “It’s terribly hard for rich people to get into the kingdom of heaven!

Everyone is entitled to make his/her choice, being poor or rich and, the one who chose Jesus, would get more:

Mar 10:29 Jesus told him: You can be sure that anyone who gives up home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or land for me and for the good news


Mar 10:30 will be rewarded. In this world they will be given a hundred times as many houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and pieces of land, though they will also be mistreated. And in the world to come, they will have eternal life."
 
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Zacchaeus gave HALF his wealth away, and Jesus was cool with that. The issue with the rich young ruler was that he was unwilling to give his whole heart to God. It manifested itself in his love for his wealth. Some people have the issue of giving up lust, or anger, or alcohol, or gluttony etc... WEALTH was the rich young ruler's issue. It DOES NOT mean that wealth itself is inherently sinful.
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Excellent and smart observations.
 
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Mitspa

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Ps 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
 
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atwhatcost

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#27
Are any of them a choice?

When I have read ppl´s thoughts, problems and family turnmoils I´m not sure what could have been their best choice...

What would be yours?
I was raised to choose rich. I was supposed to get a career that would pay me six-figures or more. Whoops. Wanted to teach.

Whoops again -- no ability to teach. So I took on social work at first.

Whoops. I'm too empathetic to make a good counselor.

So I tried housewife for a while, when we were first married. Whoops. Bored silly. I hate everything that is even semi related to household chores except doing dishes.

Then hubby broke his back, and we needed money coming in. Back to social work -- group home parent. Whoops, someone forgot to mention it was 22 hours a day 6 days a week.

So I got some office work, and hubby got a job with the government when his back was okay again. We did reach to comfortably middle-class. Whoops.

I became disabled. Whoops, so did hubby. Then we ran through our retirement money after we cleared out our savings, and ran out of all money one month into his chemo. We lived on $839 a month with $258 for food stamps, plus health insurance. (Our mortgage was $550 then.) We were officially flat broke and three weeks from being kicked out of our house before I found a government program that paid our mortgage until he was approved and then received his first lump sum and month Disability benefits.

Now we're only broke.

Funny thing. My Second cousins go to the polo games and charity balls. Amazing how different one family can be.

I got something they don't though -- the reality that God is taking good care of us always.

Because of the financial diversity of my family, I know people have the same problems rich or poor. The only difference is rich people can afford the best solutions for the problems. We still have God though.
 
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I was raised to choose rich. I was supposed to get a career that would pay me six-figures or more. Whoops. Wanted to teach.

Whoops again -- no ability to teach. So I took on social work at first.

Whoops. I'm too empathetic to make a good counselor.

So I tried housewife for a while, when we were first married. Whoops. Bored silly. I hate everything that is even semi related to household chores except doing dishes.

Then hubby broke his back, and we needed money coming in. Back to social work -- group home parent. Whoops, someone forgot to mention it was 22 hours a day 6 days a week.

So I got some office work, and hubby got a job with the government when his back was okay again. We did reach to comfortably middle-class. Whoops.

I became disabled. Whoops, so did hubby. Then we ran through our retirement money after we cleared out our savings, and ran out of all money one month into his chemo. We lived on $839 a month with $258 for food stamps, plus health insurance. (Our mortgage was $550 then.) We were officially flat broke and three weeks from being kicked out of our house before I found a government program that paid our mortgage until he was approved and then received his first lump sum and month Disability benefits.

Now we're only broke.

Funny thing. My Second cousins go to the polo games and charity balls. Amazing how different one family can be.

I got something they don't though -- the reality that God is taking good care of us always.

Because of the financial diversity of my family, I know people have the same problems rich or poor. The only difference is rich people can afford the best solutions for the problems. We still have God though.
I´m thankful for that!

The more I had, the less I thought about God.
 
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Have you read books like these?



I bet YOU know where your heart i$...

By the way!

I have loved those stories Robert has shared: He was poor, and learnt from those days.
 
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#32
Money isnt evil,the love of money is evil.Job was rich and God didnt condemn that.But if it is your main goal in life you have a problem.
Nothing is evil by itself... Just those things I did wrongly.
 
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atwhatcost

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#34
Good!

Then you are enabled to give more?

Whatever the answer it is, that´s always your choice.


Did you not read my post? Some of that was my choice. My choices didn't pan out. All of that was God's choices. They pan out.

We can choose to be rich. Doesn't mean we get rich. I don't know anyone who chooses to be poor. God happens.
 
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atwhatcost

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#36
There is nothing wrong with having wealth, but it is a choice what one does with that wealth.

For instance the scriptures show it to be true that if you are only using that wealth for self while leaving others to starve, be homeless, and suffer then you are living and serving a sinful lifestyle that does not lead to eternal life.

Money does not condemn a person, it is their motives on what they do with the money that will or not condemn them !!!
Sounds similar to something I've read:
The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. (Half of 1 Tim. 6:10)
 
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atwhatcost

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#37
Here it is what the SH said:

"A.T.says: August 7, 2015 at 8:36 pm

It´s an exercise of FREE WILL when a person is being called by Jesus, not this world.
Mat 19:21 Jesus replied, “If you want to be perfect, go sell everything you own! Give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and be my follower.”
Mat 19:22 When the young man heard this, he was sad, because he was very rich.
Mat 19:23 Jesus said to his disciples, “It’s terribly hard for rich people to get into the kingdom of heaven!

Everyone is entitled to make his/her choice, being poor or rich and, the one who chose Jesus, would get more:

Mar 10:29 Jesus told him: You can be sure that anyone who gives up home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or land for me and for the good news


Mar 10:30 will be rewarded. In this world they will be given a hundred times as many houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and pieces of land, though they will also be mistreated. And in the world to come, they will have eternal life."
I don't know who or what SH is, but he's wrong. Free will doesn't save. Choice doesn't save. Since the premise is wrong, I didn't bother reading the rest.
 
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I don't know who or what SH is, but he's wrong. Free will doesn't save. Choice doesn't save. Since the premise is wrong, I didn't bother reading the rest.
Let´s see it!

I don´t mind being proven wrong (at God´s sight)
 
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#39
Did you not read my post? Some of that was my choice. My choices didn't pan out. All of that was God's choices. They pan out.

We can choose to be rich. Doesn't mean we get rich. I don't know anyone who chooses to be poor. God happens.
Like you´ve exactly said:

I didn´t read... "I didn't bother reading the rest."
 
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Did he? God knows...

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