a few questions that i have about god.(does/CAN he exist??)

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I've been debating the existence of god or more so a Christian god for a little while and here are a few questions that i have about god, i would appreciate answers from a Christian point of view to further my understanding.

1) why does god make it necessary for us to believe in him to gain access to heaven? And if god wants all of us to go to heaven then why doesn't he make his existence undebatable and show mankind irrefutable proof?(also if a man is born/ lives in solitary then is it his fault he goes to hell or gods as he was not told about the existence of jesus or god)

2) If god intended on giving us his word in the form of the bible then why didnt he give us the gift of reading and writing right away and rather give it to us thousands of years after our creation?

3) can there be objective morality without a god? (if god didnt exist would we know the difference between right and wrong) - is god good? just because god says he is good how can he know that he is relatively good? (we have nothing to compare him to)(he also orders the murder of a few people here and there)

4) If god is omnipotent and hates evil then why does evil exist? or if he is all knowing and can do anything then wont he know what he will do in the future then does not have freewill therefore he is not omnipotent?

5) is god as defined by the bible even possible? the many contradictions of his characteristics and reality

6)can i repent on my deathbed and get into heaven? if Hitler repented and believed in jesus/god is or could he be in heaven?

id really appreciate any of your thoughts on these questions, thank you.
 
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I'd like to answer your last question.
A lot of people think they can live as they want, then when they die, they can repent. They are wrong, this is not the way to heaven. In doing this, you do so as a way of "protection" from ****ation, you know, "just in case God exists." If you feel as though you can repent at death, why can't you repent now? God knows the hearts of men, he knows people that do this aren't truthful to Him.
Also, repenting doesn't mean you'll go to heaven. You have to live your life for God, how are you doing this right before you die? You're not. You have declare God your Lord and Savior, and believe He sent His only son, Jesus Christ, to die for your sins. That Jesus died and rose again on the third day, that you may not perish but have everlasting life.
Now, unless this person never heard of God/Christ until death, but they truly wanted to accept Him into their life, repented and asked for forgiveness, give their life to Him, then I think that person would go to heaven.
Now if you know in your heart, you'll do this on your "deathbed" then you won't go to heaven. God knows you planed to live your life anywhichway, you'll be a snare unto Him, you're portion will be hell.
 
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Now if you know in your heart, you'll do this on your "deathbed" then you won't go to heaven. God knows you planed to live your life anywhichway, you'll be a snare unto Him, you're portion will be hell.
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what if i live my life in accordance with the bible? i just dont state my belief until right before i die?
 
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what if i live my life in accordance with the bible? i just dont state my belief until right before i die?
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Like I said, God knows the heart of men. If you live your life according to the Bible and you have God in your heart, that's all that matters. There may be no one around you that is a Christian or none that care, so that's okay. He won't condemn you.
Like in prayer, your words have power over darkness/evil/sin. All you have to do is say it, even with no one there, God hears you. You don't have to be "flashy" in your walk with Him, because its only between the two of you. Also by being on this site, its pretty much like declaring you believe and follow God (though not everyone on it does) or you're seeking Him.
 
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thank you lightbliss any thoughts on my other questions?
 
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1) why does god make it necessary for us to believe in him to gain access to heaven? And if god wants all of us to go to heaven then why doesn't he make his existence undebatable and show mankind irrefutable proof?(also if a man is born/ lives in solitary then is it his fault he goes to hell or gods as he was not told about the existence of jesus or god)
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1.) Life is difficult—we need the Lord’s help to find the way. The Lord did come to earth once, in the body of Jesus—and was nailed to a cross and left to die—crucified.
 
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(also if a man is born/ lives in solitary then is it his fault he goes to hell or gods as he was not told about the existence of jesus or god)
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Who said anyone is going to hell?
 
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Demeter said:
I've been debating the existence of god or more so a Christian god for a little while and here are a few questions that i have about god, i would appreciate answers from a Christian point of view to further my understanding.

1) why does god make it necessary for us to believe in him to gain access to heaven? And if god wants all of us to go to heaven then why doesn't he make his existence undebatable and show mankind irrefutable proof?(also if a man is born/ lives in solitary then is it his fault he goes to hell or gods as he was not told about the existence of jesus or god)

2) If god intended on giving us his word in the form of the bible then why didnt he give us the gift of reading and writing right away and rather give it to us thousands of years after our creation?

3) can there be objective morality without a god? (if god didnt exist would we know the difference between right and wrong) - is god good? just because god says he is good how can he know that he is relatively good? (we have nothing to compare him to)(he also orders the murder of a few people here and there)

4) If god is omnipotent and hates evil then why does evil exist? or if he is all knowing and can do anything then wont he know what he will do in the future then does not have freewill therefore he is not omnipotent?

5) is god as defined by the bible even possible? the many contradictions of his characteristics and reality

6)can i repent on my deathbed and get into heaven? if Hitler repented and believed in jesus/god is or could he be in heaven?

id really appreciate any of your thoughts on these questions, thank you.
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1-Heaven, specifically, is where God IS, people who want nothing to do with Him will not WANT to go there

2-He gave us hearing from birth and an innate capacity for acquiring our mother tongue. He has given us a revelation of Himself, progressively, from the beginning.

3-God DEFINES good. Without Him there is no good or bad and rape is ok.

4-your statement is logically absurd. It may help you to understand that God is outside of time.

5-God, by definitions, is consistent. It is you that have the problem

6-Theoretically, yes, practically, no. If you have spent your entire life rejecting God then you have made yourself god and at the end will be unable to humble yourself.
And you are assuming you will get reasonable warning of your impending death
also God examines the heart and identifies false motives
God is neither weak nor stupid

How many of these questions did you come up with by yourself?
 
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2) If god intended on giving us his word in the form of the bible then why didnt he give us the gift of reading and writing right away and rather give it to us thousands of years after our creation?
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The Lord also communicates directly to us.
 
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I'll answer from my POV.
1) why does god make it necessary for us to believe in him to gain access to heaven?
We are God's children, in order for us to inherit heaven, we have to "follow" our Father. Also there is a difference in believing he exists and actually living for him.
And if god wants all of us to go to heaven then why doesn't he make his existence undebatable and show mankind irrefutable proof?
He wants us to willfully seek Him regardless of "proof." The Holy Spirit is "proof" enough, when we feel it, yet some people still don't believe. And because He gives us freewill to believe what we want.
(also if a man is born/ lives in solitary then is it his fault he goes to hell or gods as he was not told about the existence of jesus or god)
The Bible states that we are to preach the word/gospel to all the nations, so if someone hasn't heard of God/Christ, the their blood is sorta on our heads.
If god intended on giving us his word in the form of the bible then why didnt he give us the gift of reading and writing right away and rather give it to us thousands of years after our creation?
Not sure I fully understand this question but.... When we're born, we're new to the world and our brain hasn't fully developed. As we grow, we attain information learning how to do basic tasks-difficult concepts.
can there be objective morality without a god? (if god didnt exist would we know the difference between right and wrong)
Honestly? If God didn't exist, I don't think people would care what would be considered right or wrong. Some just pick and chose. Though, when I was younger I never read the Bible, I only knew some stories. The concept of right/wrong and good/bad, came solely from my mom. In the Bible, after the older generation of Israelites died, the younger always turned from God, to serve other gods (idols).
- is god good? just because god says he is good how can he know that he is relatively good? (we have nothing to compare him to)(he also orders the murder of a few people here and there)
God is good. He created everything in the universe and beyond. He gives freewill to do what we want (with consequences), yet He has mercy on us when we don't respect His ordnance. Just think about it. We always sin in some way or another even as Christians, but by His grace we are forgiven. He has the power to "smite" us once we've sinned but He doesn't, we're given countless chances. That's why I'm glad I'm not God, I probably won't be so merciful. About Him ordering "murders." He wasn't like "Go to their land and kill everyone." When the Israelites traveled, nations came to fight them. Also to remove abominations from the land he gave His people (I guess).
4) If god is omnipotent and hates evil then why does evil exist? or if he is all knowing and can do anything then wont he know what he will do in the future then does not have freewill therefore he is not omnipotent?
Basically because we do have freewill. God didn't "program" us to be like robots. Man is of flesh which is of the world where Satan dwells. Therefore its bond for evil to exist. God's word is His will.
5) is god as defined by the bible even possible?
Yes it is possible. God is an almighty God.
the many contradictions of his characteristics and reality
How? God's word is pretty simple and self explanatory, its when we look too hard that we miss the point. If we sin there are consequences. That's why Jesus came, to give us salvation. So maybe God seems "cruel," He's not. God told us to follow His word, back then, if we didn't that was it, but through Christ we are redeemed, He made an atonement for our sins. Through Jesus, He taught us love and gave us grace.

Hope this helps;)






 
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3) can there be objective morality without a god? (if god didnt exist would we know the difference between right and wrong) - is god good? just because god says he is good how can he know that he is relatively good? (we have nothing to compare him to)(he also orders the murder of a few people here and there)
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When did the Lord order anybody to be murdered? None of us is perfect, but the Lord is. If he wasn’t, we’d all be in a lot of trouble.
 
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is god good? just because god says he is good how can he know that he is relatively good? (we have nothing to compare him to)
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Yes, the Lord is good. You have to take that on faith, I guess, but experience will tell you it’s true.
 
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When did the Lord order anybody to be murdered? None of us is perfect, but the Lord is. If he wasn’t, we’d all be in a lot of trouble.
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didnt god order the armies of Israel to kill women and children? and Isaac and his son (even though he didnt actually kill him)
 
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or if he is all knowing and can do anything then wont he know what he will do in the future then does not have freewill therefore he is not omnipotent?
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I don’t understand this.
 
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6)can i repent on my deathbed and get into heaven? if Hitler repented and believed in jesus/god is or could he be in heaven?
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For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 RSV
 
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1-Heaven, specifically, is where God IS, people who want nothing to do with Him will not WANT to go there

2-He gave us hearing from birth and an innate capacity for acquiring our mother tongue. He has given us a revelation of Himself, progressively, from the beginning.

3-God DEFINES good. Without Him there is no good or bad and rape is ok.

4-your statement is logically absurd. It may help you to understand that God is outside of time.

5-God, by definitions, is consistent. It is you that have the problem

6-Theoretically, yes, practically, no. If you have spent your entire life rejecting God then you have made yourself god and at the end will be unable to humble yourself.
And you are assuming you will get reasonable warning of your impending death
also God examines the heart and identifies false motives
God is neither weak nor stupid

How many of these questions did you come up with by yourself?
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i came up with some of them, i realize some (probably all) of the ideas have been thought before i just have not heard both sides of the story and i thought here would be the best place to do so, 1, 2, and 6 i believe i came up on my own others i have heard elsewhere but am still curious.

1- i seem to think it unfair for a god to cast people into hell just because they did not believe in him, billions of people around the world and throughout history have not been exposed to Christianity as much as others, even if they live respectful lives they will still not go to heaven, can god not see they should not be to blame? (i think i read somewhere someone said Gandhi was going to hell, but as a child he was taught to believe different things as us so is it not his parents fault for seeding him with beliefs of a different god?)

3- doesnt god defines himself as good (or he is inherently good)? for all we know he is bad, also society too has its own norms and customs and if god did not exist rape would not be ok, If it were proven that god did not exist then i doubt everything would become chaos, there is still the law of man.

4- ok lets just focus on if god hates evil and he is omnipotent then why does evil exist?

5- i guess this is the same as 4 somewhat
 
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If it were proven that god did not exist then i doubt everything would become chaos, there is still the law of man.

The laws of man are corrupt. God exists now, yet there is evil in the world. Now imagine how much more evil it'd be without God. Not good.
 
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