1 John 1:5

[shotgunner]

Originally Posted by phil112

If you don't want to, don't do it.
John 8:11 "........Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
John 5:14 "....Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

V.W. wrote
It is truly ironic that you take this to mean that Jesus was telling them, "Don't sin or else!" He was warning both of them of the condemnation of the Pharisees, not His own judgment, which if you would reread 8:11, He specifically says He does not give her, thus showing her the grace of Christ that is spiritually discerned, and that you do not understand.


Even if you take that passage differently from VW's post, it doesn't mean that Jesus is the one punishing them for sin. If I drink until my liver gives out, a worse thing may have happened to me, but it wasn't because Jesus destroyed my liver in anger over my sin.

 

[wattie]

These kind of threads are most often about the distinction between

1) Getting converted in the first place - saving faith
2) The response to being converted- THE faith

What happens is these get mixed up.. so verses that aren't actually about receiving eternal life, but are about THE faith.. get used for talking about conversion/receiving eternal life.

Eg. In Revelation- lampstands being removed.. this is about THE faith of a local church.. not an individual. So it isn't about receiving eternal life.

'faith without works is dead' in James 2 .. this is about what believers are doing with their faith after conversion.. not about eternal salvation. All the examples are acts of service to God.. not anyone receiving eternal life.

So.. if someone thinks their conversion was along the lines of a 'commitment to turn from sin' then if they fail in that .. then of course their commitment is undone.

But if it is along the lines of 'I am sinner in dire need of grace.. please save me God!' then if they fail .. they know it wasn't anything to do with them that got them saved in first place. The GRACE remains.

It always seems and endless cycle with these threads though..

verses for obeying commandments and service being used for eternal salvation... and verses for warnings of judgments being used for eternal salvation.. when the context is rarely about it.

But I guess the main thing is whether you believe you have eternal life the instant you believe.. or whether you believe it isn't given until death.. and therefore it is earned.

Biblically it's the former.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

Your reading comprehension needs work.

As does yours!

Colossians 3:12 ESV

Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,


1 Corinthians 13:4-7 ESV

Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

 

[phil112]

As does yours!

Colossians 3:12 ESV

Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,


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I don't have a lot of compassion for those who repeatedly reject scripture. My bible tells me to rebuke when necessary. You never agree that that is also a necessity. Why? Because you are always involved in a conversation you aren't spiritually old enough to be in. You are still a child and you, like so many on this forum, haven't reached the point where you become a man and put away childish things.
If you were mature in the word you would know that God does not like false doctrine and He never told anyone to cuddle up with someone that refuses to believe His clear scripture.
Clear scripture says to stop sinning. All people do is twist and distort it so they can live with their own little pet sins.
Justify your sin all you want. God won't and He is the one that will have to be answered to.

Why don't you rebuke Christ for driving the money changers out? He certainly wasn't showing the love and compassion, kindness and humility, the patience, that you are telling me to display for the same behavior.
You have a bad habit of sticking your nose in conversations that don't belong to you.
You have nothing for me from scripture. You are years behind a mature believer and you need to keep quiet until you catch up.
Here's a passage for you. I won't tell you where it is, perhaps you can learn something by actually looking it up for yourself.

"..........but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more; And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;"

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Here's a thought I leave you to ponder... Light has no shadow! The Bible says... "God is light; in him there is no darkness at all" 1 John 1:5.


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It's been said that a picture is worth a thousand words, but this one is worth more than that. Thanks for sharing this. I trust that it will greatly assist my own walk with God.

 

[Skinski7]

You just don't understand what sin is and the requirements of a holy God. Yes, you can lay sin aside, and if you don't or refuse to then something is extremely wrong, but you could never in your own works of righteousness meet the strict requirements of a holy God. If we could be perfectly righteous by our own walk then Jesus died in vain.

The requirements of God is simply repentance and faith. God reckons true faith as righteousness because true faith is representative of a pure heart whereby we love God and love our neighbour as ourselves.

That is the standard ans it appears you do not like that standard.

I don't even know what you mean by, "If we could be perfectly righteous by our own walk then Jesus died in vain." What does that mean?

God reckons FAITH as righteousness and FAITH WORKS BY LOVE. In other words God looks at the heart of an individual and if the heart is pure (which is simply achieved via a wholehearted yielding to the Spirit of God through godly sorrow working repentance) then God accepts that.

The standard God requires is heart purity and Jesus taught that standard in Matthew chapter 5. Why would you imply that such standard being true negates the necessity of the death of Christ? Paul plainly wrote...

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Jesus gave Himself for us they we might be redeemed from all iniquity and made pure. To claim that a redemption from all iniquity and being made pure is impossible in this life is to deny the purpose for which Jesus Christ died.

 

[Skinski7]

'faith without works is dead' in James 2 .. this is about what believers are doing with their faith after conversion.. not about eternal salvation. All the examples are acts of service to God.. not anyone receiving eternal life.

Folks like you just love to disconnect "salvation" from any MANIFEST transformation whereby one has gone from a state of inward iniquity to a state of inward purity. Thus you always argue in favour of being able to be "saved" whilst at the same time engaged in wickedness. That is why you can disconnect the "deeds of faith" (the fruit of a pure heart) from "faith."

Basically you uphold a faith which has not purified the heart and in so doing argue in favour of sin.

 

[shotgunner]

The requirements of God is simply repentance and faith. God reckons true faith as righteousness because true faith is representative of a pure heart whereby we love God and love our neighbour as ourselves.

That is the standard ans it appears you do not like that standard.

I don't even know what you mean by, "If we could be perfectly righteous by our own walk then Jesus died in vain." What does that mean?

God reckons FAITH as righteousness and FAITH WORKS BY LOVE. In other words God looks at the heart of an individual and if the heart is pure (which is simply achieved via a wholehearted yielding to the Spirit of God through godly sorrow working repentance) then God accepts that.

The standard God requires is heart purity and Jesus taught that standard in Matthew chapter 5. Why would you imply that such standard being true negates the necessity of the death of Christ? Paul plainly wrote...

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Jesus gave Himself for us they we might be redeemed from all iniquity and made pure. To claim that a redemption from all iniquity and being made pure is impossible in this life is to deny the purpose for which Jesus Christ died.

No, my friend. Much you say, I agree with. However if we say we have no sin, we are liars and the truth is not in us. Yes, all that is required of us is faith in our savior. Yes, that kind of living faith moves us to good works, but we cannot say that now because I'm born again, I have no sin, or that I must continue to have no sin to stay in my born again state.


What I mean by my statement is that all who think they are righteous by their keeping of the law are woefully wrong. If we could uphold the standard of righteousness by our good behavior then Jesus died in vain because the law would have brought life, and it certainly did not.

 

[Skinski7]

No, my friend. Much you say, I agree with. However if we say we have no sin, we are liars and the truth is not in us.

1John 1:8-9 must be one of your favourite verses because you use it, like all the other sin defenders, as a proof that you remain inwardly filthy.

Why not read the entire episitle of First John instead of snipping 1Joh 1:8-9 out of context?

John is speaking of "coming clean with God in repentance." In other words we don't hide our sin when we approach God seeking reconciliation. If we say we have no sin (ie. cover our sin) then we are liars (for we never repented) and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins then he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Look at this parallel...

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Pardon is conditioned upon a forsaking of wickedness. You are using 1Joh 1:8-9 as a proof text to claim that you cannot forsake wickedness, instead you claim that you will always be wicked whilst in a flesh body. Where is PURITY in your religion? There is none. You utterly deny heart purity is possible and that is why you NEVER contend for heart purity.

Here is another parallel...

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

Mercy is conditioned on us not covering our sins, instead we have to confess and forsake them. In other words we have to come clean with God in order to be washed clean. Look at what it says in Hebrews...

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

We have to draw near with a TRUE (HONEST) heart in full assurance of faith in order to be cleansed. This is what John is teaching in 1Joh chapter 1. This is why he says we have to WALK IN THE LIGHT.

So will you respond directly to anything I have written here?

Yes, all that is required of us is faith in our savior. Yes, that kind of living faith moves us to good works, but we cannot say that now because I'm born again, I have no sin, or that I must continue to have no sin to stay in my born again state.

"If we say we have no sin" related to PAST REBELLION TO GOD, it does not related to PRESENT ONGOING REBELLION. If you are still in rebellion to God and serving evil then you are not saved it it doesn't matter how much you "trust in Jesus." The faith God requires is TRUE FAITH which is inclusive of FAITHFULNESS which means our hearts have to be WHOLEHEARTEDLY YIELDED to God. If your heart is not wholeheartedly yielded then you simply haven't repented and are still in rebellion to God. Don't deceive yourself with this package/provisional salvation nonsense, all it is is a means of convincing yourself that you can sin against God and not surely die.

Salvation is MANIFEST and is reflective of an INNER TRANSFORMATION. If you have not been inwardly transformed and made pure then you are not saved. John wrote...

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

Are you MANIFEST in that you DO RIGHTEOUSNESS and DO NOT SIN?

I bet you cannot discuss the above passage written by John because it totally contradicts your assertion that 1Joh 1:8-9 is teaching that you will always have iniquity within.

David wrote...

Psa 32:1 A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psa 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Is there guile in your spirit? There better not be. God demands purity.

Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

You ignore what the Bible actually teaches at your own peril. The Bible does not teach this "saved in sin" nonsense that you believe in.

What I mean by my statement is that all who think they are righteous by their keeping of the law are woefully wrong.

Who said to "keep the law" ?????

Why bring that up? You quote my post and then you refer to "keep the law." Where did I say that you have to keep the law? If I didn't say that then why bring that up?

FAITH WORKS BY LOVE AND LOVE FULFILLS THE LAW. IF WE WALK ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT THEN WE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW. IF WE LOVE WE ARE A LAW UNTO OURSELVES. Do you not believe these things? Why not discuss these thing instead of this "keep the law" which I never said?

If we could uphold the standard of righteousness by our good behavior then Jesus died in vain because the law would have brought life, and it certainly did not.

We uphold the standard of righteousness by WALKING ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT BY A FAITH THAT WORKS BY LOVE. Do you do that? Do you walk according to the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ via a faith that works by love, love which works no ill and therefore fulfills the righteous requirements of the law?

Can you answer that directly?

 

[WoundedWarrior]

I don't have a lot of compassion for those who repeatedly reject scripture. My bible tells me to rebuke when necessary. You never agree that that is also a necessity. Why? Because you are always involved in a conversation you aren't spiritually old enough to be in. You are still a child and you, like so many on this forum, haven't reached the point where you become a man and put away childish things.
If you were mature in the word you would know that God does not like false doctrine and He never told anyone to cuddle up with someone that refuses to believe His clear scripture.
Clear scripture says to stop sinning. All people do is twist and distort it so they can live with their own little pet sins.
Justify your sin all you want. God won't and He is the one that will have to be answered to.

I do not think it necessary to defend myself based on your above statement, Phil. You supported the man, whose false doctrine I challenged, and that man is now banned from these forums. I would like to point out: Like you, this man also resorted to personally attacking my character. You've done this to others here, Phil -- this is the only reason you and I even have a dialogue; because you have used (and continue to use) personal insults instead of sticking to topic. I will never tolerate personal character attacks on people who are being sincere.

Why don't you rebuke Christ for driving the money changers out? He certainly wasn't showing the love and compassion, kindness and humility, the patience, that you are telling me to display for the same behavior.
You have a bad habit of sticking your nose in conversations that don't belong to you.
You have nothing for me from scripture. You are years behind a mature believer and you need to keep quiet until you catch up.
Here's a passage for you. I won't tell you where it is, perhaps you can learn something by actually looking it up for yourself.

"..........but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more; And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;"

You're not Christ.
Practice what you preach.

Sincerely,
WW

 

[shotgunner]

1John 1:8-9 must be one of your favourite verses because you use it, like all the other sin defenders, as a proof that you remain inwardly filthy.

Why not read the entire episitle of First John instead of snipping 1Joh 1:8-9 out of context?

John is speaking of "coming clean with God in repentance." In other words we don't hide our sin when we approach God seeking reconciliation. If we say we have no sin (ie. cover our sin) then we are liars (for we never repented) and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins then he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Look at this parallel...

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Pardon is conditioned upon a forsaking of wickedness. You are using 1Joh 1:8-9 as a proof text to claim that you cannot forsake wickedness, instead you claim that you will always be wicked whilst in a flesh body. Where is PURITY in your religion? There is none. You utterly deny heart purity is possible and that is why you NEVER contend for heart purity.

Here is another parallel...

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

Mercy is conditioned on us not covering our sins, instead we have to confess and forsake them. In other words we have to come clean with God in order to be washed clean. Look at what it says in Hebrews...

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

We have to draw near with a TRUE (HONEST) heart in full assurance of faith in order to be cleansed. This is what John is teaching in 1Joh chapter 1. This is why he says we have to WALK IN THE LIGHT.

So will you respond directly to anything I have written here?




"If we say we have no sin" related to PAST REBELLION TO GOD, it does not related to PRESENT ONGOING REBELLION. If you are still in rebellion to God and serving evil then you are not saved it it doesn't matter how much you "trust in Jesus." The faith God requires is TRUE FAITH which is inclusive of FAITHFULNESS which means our hearts have to be WHOLEHEARTEDLY YIELDED to God. If your heart is not wholeheartedly yielded then you simply haven't repented and are still in rebellion to God. Don't deceive yourself with this package/provisional salvation nonsense, all it is is a means of convincing yourself that you can sin against God and not surely die.

Salvation is MANIFEST and is reflective of an INNER TRANSFORMATION. If you have not been inwardly transformed and made pure then you are not saved. John wrote...

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

Are you MANIFEST in that you DO RIGHTEOUSNESS and DO NOT SIN?

I bet you cannot discuss the above passage written by John because it totally contradicts your assertion that 1Joh 1:8-9 is teaching that you will always have iniquity within.

David wrote...

Psa 32:1 A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psa 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Is there guile in your spirit? There better not be. God demands purity.

Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

You ignore what the Bible actually teaches at your own peril. The Bible does not teach this "saved in sin" nonsense that you believe in.



Who said to "keep the law" ?????

Why bring that up? You quote my post and then you refer to "keep the law." Where did I say that you have to keep the law? If I didn't say that then why bring that up?

FAITH WORKS BY LOVE AND LOVE FULFILLS THE LAW. IF WE WALK ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT THEN WE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW. IF WE LOVE WE ARE A LAW UNTO OURSELVES. Do you not believe these things? Why not discuss these thing instead of this "keep the law" which I never said?




We uphold the standard of righteousness by WALKING ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT BY A FAITH THAT WORKS BY LOVE. Do you do that? Do you walk according to the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ via a faith that works by love, love which works no ill and therefore fulfills the righteous requirements of the law?

Can you answer that directly?

All I'm going to say is that if you think you have no sin in your life, you are a sadly deceived person.

 

[bebeautiful]

I am new here, and have been mostly reading the threads. I haven't really responded much--as I am still figuring out how this all works. I joined this chat because I felt it would be good for me to communicate with uplifting fellow believers, as I am somewhat new to Christianity. I have, however, studied the bible and various religions for over a decade now and have always felt a the strongest bond to Christ and Christianity. I am well versed in the scripture--but always wanting and willing to learn more, and in the process take in to heart other people's opinions of scriptural meaning as, obviously, people's opinions of God's word differs quite drastically.

I have noticed, however, that some people while learning and asking questions to help them gain a greater understanding of the Scriptures as I do, have been bashed on here, which is really very sad, as I feel we should all be here to uplift each other and strengthen each other's faith. It really shouldn't matter what level a person is in their faith or how "mature" or "immature" someone is in the faith! We should be happy that people are on here asking questions to someone who considers themselves a "mature believer" and if you proclaim to be such, wouldn't you want to do as Jesus did and HELP those who you feel immature to understand scripture? We all sin, on a daily basis, it is in our nature. We all should be learning to be able to walk in Jesus' footsteps--in doing so we are following his example. If we want to follow his example we will read the scripture and heed his advice. He knows we are imperfect and sin--that is why we needed him to save us from our sinful nature. Romans 6:23 "for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord"
We shouldn't expect ourselves to be perfect knowing we are not--that being said we SHOULD know right from wrong and can TRY to do our best to follow Jesus and we can live our lives out praising Him, and asking for forgiveness of our sins on a daily basis.

In regards to those of you who have judged people on this forum for the way they believe or even for asking a question to gain some insight and understanding of your views to the point of name calling and saying that certain people aren't a "mature believer" yet and need to "keep quiet until you catch up" I will leave you with these:

Matthew 7:1-5 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Matthew 18:2-6 2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said:“Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

Let us not resort to name calling, and getting frustrated over one's level of or length of time as a believer--let us humble ourselves, and build up one another in the glory of God forever! Love be to everyone today, in Jesus name, Amen!

 

[phil112]

I am new here, and have been mostly reading the threads..............................I have noticed, however, that some people while learning and asking questions to help them gain a greater understanding of the Scriptures as I do, have been bashed on here............................

If you will hang around a while, and I hope you do, you will find that those being "bashed" as you put it, aren't interested in learning. They only spout false doctrine repeatedly and ignore scriptural refutation of such statements.
Some folks (and I am one of them) have little stomach for people that don't read their bibles and study it, yet have the gall to post here in an effort to teach someone about a subject they themselves are ignorant of.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

If you will hang around a while, and I hope you do, you will find that those being "bashed" as you put it, aren't interested in learning. They only spout false doctrine repeatedly and ignore scriptural refutation of such statements.
Some folks (and I am one of them) have little stomach for people that don't read their bibles and study it, yet have the gall to post here in an effort to teach someone about a subject they themselves are ignorant of.

Keep drawing your line in the sand, Phil -- it's just too bad you can't see which side you're on.

 

[shotgunner]

If you will hang around a while, and I hope you do, you will find that those being "bashed" as you put it, aren't interested in learning. They only spout false doctrine repeatedly and ignore scriptural refutation of such statements.
Some folks (and I am one of them) have little stomach for people that don't read their bibles and study it, yet have the gall to post here in an effort to teach someone about a subject they themselves are ignorant of.

Patience is a fruit of the spirit, so is gentleness.

It's arrogance that insists that anyone is ignorant just because they don't agree with you.

 

[bebeautiful]

I saw several of these folks you say "don't read their bibles and study them" post scriptural references in their very responses to you, a lot in fact!!! I can't believe you would say that they spout false doctrine when I can clearly see with my own eyes that those you were calling names and saying they don't read their bibles, were quoting the scriptures on several occasions! They aren't ignorant! They seem to have a very clear and keen understanding of the scriptures--as do you, just because someone has a different opinion as to what it means does not mean they are spouting false doctrines, it just means that they interpret it differently than you. ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY WAS-----that no one is going to get anywhere by trying to belittle the other person that interprets things a little different!! We are all followers of Christ, we are all trying to get closer to Him everyday--some are new on their journey but that doesn't mean they have less of a "right" to talk about how they interpret something and ask questions to someone (as you stated) that is a "mature believer".....and I do believe those very people you say are spouting false doctrine aren't resorting to name calling to try to get their point across.

Romans 15:1-7
15 We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. 2 Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up.3 For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.”[a] 4 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope.
5 May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you the same attitude of mind toward each other that Christ Jesus had, 6 so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
7 Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
Praise God! Do not resort to name calling or trying to belittle someone else whom you think is weaker than you in the faith! We are all on different parts of our journey with Christ--no need to call someone out who simply wants a better understanding of the scriptures. I have been on here a few days now and have mostly been reading threads, I decided to post on this one because I saw the name calling. Unite together in Jesus name, agree to disagree, but don't belittle someone who is new to the faith just because they don't understand something the way you do. We are all here to hopefully learn something, may we all continue to grow in Christ and UPLIFT each other instead of belittling each other!

1 John 1:5 is a very good scripture for us all, and if you continue to read the rest of the chapter it goes on to say in verse 7-8--"but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we will have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

I saw several of these folks you say "don't read their bibles and study them" post scriptural references in their very responses to you, a lot in fact!!! I can't believe you would say that they spout false doctrine when I can clearly see with my own eyes that those you were calling names and saying they don't read their bibles, were quoting the scriptures on several occasions! They aren't ignorant! They seem to have a very clear and keen understanding of the scriptures--as do you, just because someone has a different opinion as to what it means does not mean they are spouting false doctrines, it just means that they interpret it differently than you. ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY WAS-----that no one is going to get anywhere by trying to belittle the other person that interprets things a little different!! We are all followers of Christ, we are all trying to get closer to Him everyday--some are new on their journey but that doesn't mean they have less of a "right" to talk about how they interpret something and ask questions to someone (as you stated) that is a "mature believer".....and I do believe those very people you say are spouting false doctrine aren't resorting to name calling to try to get their point across.

Romans 15:1-7
15 We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. 2 Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up.3 For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.”[a] 4 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope.
5 May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you the same attitude of mind toward each other that Christ Jesus had, 6 so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
7 Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
Praise God! Do not resort to name calling or trying to belittle someone else whom you think is weaker than you in the faith! We are all on different parts of our journey with Christ--no need to call someone out who simply wants a better understanding of the scriptures. I have been on here a few days now and have mostly been reading threads, I decided to post on this one because I saw the name calling. Unite together in Jesus name, agree to disagree, but don't belittle someone who is new to the faith just because they don't understand something the way you do. We are all here to hopefully learn something, may we all continue to grow in Christ and UPLIFT each other instead of belittling each other!

1 John 1:5 is a very good scripture for us all, and if you continue to read the rest of the chapter it goes on to say in verse 7-8--"but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we will have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Yay! Someone else agrees!

 

[shotgunner]

Yay! Someone else agrees!

Make that 3, but you may have to remind me at times to get out of the flesh.

 

[Skinski7]

All I'm going to say is that if you think you have no sin in your life, you are a sadly deceived person.

Of course you will say something like that. People like you are simply unable to directly address the things I write. You have to either manufacture strawmen like "keep the law" or "saving yourself" or otherwise simply ignore everything I write. You have chosen the latter after an unsuccessful attempt at the former.

You are opposed to "heart purity" even though Jesus himself taught it, and instead argue in favour of perpetual wickedness.

In your mind, everyone is utterly wicked and thus anyone who claims to have been, or that it is even possible, to be cleansed of inward iniquity is utterly deceived.

I think it is very sad that people like you reject a faith that purifies the heart and instead argue in favour of remaining manifestly filthy. You perceive the blood of Christ as merely providing you with a cloak/cover by which God can pretend that the manifestly wicked are in fact righteous.

Your religion is barren of any transformative power resultant in inward purity which is why you, and your ilk, have no testimony if being redeemed from all iniquity and being made pure by which you would be truly zealous of righteousness.

A direct discussion on "heart purity" is a foundation destroyer for your entire house of cards and that is why people like you repeatedly will refuse to engage on the subject.


Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


An authentic new birth experience is inclusive of a pure heart out of which we love one another fervently. To reject that and argue in favour of ongoing perpetual wickedness it to utterly oppose God.

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Skinski... that was a REALLY good post #79... minus the surly address anyway