Faith without works is dead

[dcontroversal]

No what you don't understand is the eternal life abiding in us is of the Holy Spirit, not our own spirit, and Apostle John clarifies this in his epistle.

The two scriptures I gave are just a couple of many from Paul and Peter that shows the actual physical possession of eternal life comes at the end of our faith, not the beginning as so badly taught now days.

The scriptures say faith in Christ unto eternal life !!!

Unto makes it a statement of something received at a later point in time, and again the eternal life we have now is a mental assurance of knowing we have it by the Holy Spirit abiding in us.

If you claim you have it at minute one of faith/belief, then you have all the original 12 Apostles saved before Pentecost.

They were not however because;

a) Jesus had not died on the cross yet to pay for the debt of our sins

b) Jesus had not risen again on the 3rd day

c) The Apostles did not receive the Holy Spirit tell Pentecost, therefore they could not be born again yet

They believed Jesus Christ was the Messiah (Lord and Savior) before He was crucified, but they could not have been saved yet according to the Lord as they were not yet born again by the Spirit.

Argue the grammar with yourself.....pal!

As john said, I tell you these things so you may KNOW YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. and CONTINUE TO TRUST HIM.

 

[KennethC]

As john said, I tell you these things so you may KNOW YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. and CONTINUE TO TRUST HIM.

if we do not KNOW we have eternal life, we have no hope. and if we have no hope. we have no faith. if we have no faith. we have nothing but our works and good deeds. in which case we will have to puff ourselves up. not for anyone elses benefit, but for our own, for what else do we have? I have to puff myself up as good. judge others, or I will crash and burn because I have no other hope. period.

thats why the pharisees hates Jesus so much, he told them their hope (works) was a false hope.

Please and I ask this in all love, please go read Apostle John's epistle and you will know what eternal life he is talking about.

He says it is of the Holy Spirit abiding in us where the eternal life comes from, not our own spirit.
It is a mental assurance that we have it now based on the Holy Spirit abiding in us, and any hate which includes condemning judgmental statements John says the Truth/eternal life does not abide in you.

Notice John says eternal life abides in you, this is because it is of the Holy Spirit !!!

 

[KennethC]

Argue the grammar with yourself.....pal!

As john said, I tell you these things so you may KNOW YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. and CONTINUE TO TRUST HIM.

And again you are the one who is arguing against scripture, because you are pitting John's words against his own.

Read his 1st epistle and you will see the eternal life spoken of is mental assurance that comes from the Holy Spirit abiding in us. It is not our own spirit that already has it, for again hatred and making condemning statements at others he says the Truth/eternal life does not abide in them that do such things.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And again you are the one who is arguing against scripture, because you are pitting John's words against his own.

Read his 1st epistle and you will see the eternal life spoken of is mental assurance that comes from the Holy Spirit abiding in us. It is not our own spirit that already has it, for again hatred and making condemning statements at others he says the Truth/eternal life does not abide in them that do such things.

so your saying John contradicted himself? and Paul?

Wow man, Are you so proud you are not willing to look at the plain facts of scripture?

And yes, as long as the HS abides in us, we have assurance, How long did paul say the HS will abide in us?

eph 1: 13 - 14. from the moment we place our faiht in him, Until the day of redemption (judgment day) where we recieve our glorified, redeemed, sinless bodies.

so you think John contradicted that? He even said those who are born of God can not sin, so whats your issue? did you study john at all??

either way, I guess that since the HS is our seal and guarantee, and this seal will last until the day of redemption. Johns words are correct. We HAVE eternal life. and we need to base our faiht in this, for without it, we have no hope.

Will you look to Jesus and place you rhope in him? Today is the day of salvation my friend, Jesus is calling out to you.

 

[KennethC]

To Ahwatukee


Acts 10 is not to be taken as the standard for how the Holy Spirit is received, as scripture shows this was only done to prove to the Jews that Gentiles have the same right of salvation through Christ as they do.

I see this common mistake being taught all the time but if we read the scriptures carefully you will see this is why this receiving of the Holy Spirit was done before baptism in Christ (the water immersion).

Even so Apostle Peter still commanded them to be immediately baptized in Jesus after this, he did not tell them it was not needed or necessary. Instead Peter still continued out the command given by the Lord.

Also look at the example of the eunuch and Philip from Acts 8, the eunuch asked Philip what prevents him from being baptized and Philip told him if he believed in all his heart he can. They stopped and Philip took him to the water and baptized him !!!

Also the other bad teaching I see a lot comes from Matthew 7:21-23 where people claim these people trusted in their own works and not the Lord. But that is not what that passage is saying as Jesus told them He never knew them because they continued in iniquity/lawlessness/sinful ways.

Those who claim it is about works need to keep reading to the very next verse Matthew 7:24:

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:"

 

[KennethC]

so your saying John contradicted himself? and Paul?

Wow man, Are you so proud you are not willing to look at the plain facts of scripture?

And yes, as long as the HS abides in us, we have assurance, How long did paul say the HS will abide in us?

eph 1: 13 - 14. from the moment we place our faiht in him, Until the day of redemption (judgment day) where we recieve our glorified, redeemed, sinless bodies.

so you think John contradicted that? He even said those who are born of God can not sin, so whats your issue? did you study john at all??

either way, I guess that since the HS is our seal and guarantee, and this seal will last until the day of redemption. Johns words are correct. We HAVE eternal life. and we need to base our faiht in this, for without it, we have no hope.

Will you look to Jesus and place you rhope in him? Today is the day of salvation my friend, Jesus is calling out to you.

I am done speaking to you because all you want to do is try and twist my words, and make baseless statements.

Your hatred and judgmental attitude speaks volumes.......................

Jesus, John, Peter, Paul, James, and Jude did not contradict each other, your doctrine of making salvation an immediate physical possession of ours is what makes their words contradict.

What I state from the Word of God has it all align perfectly, thanks be to God !!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Jesus, John, Peter, Paul, James, and Jude did not contradict each other, your doctrine of making salvation an immediate physical possession of ours is what makes their words contradict.

QUOTE]

Actually, the same can be said of your words.....not to mention that verb tense, numerous verses in context and writers testify to the immediate possession of and or the following..

1. Spiritual birth immediately upon belief
2. Possessing of eternal life
3. Salvation based upon faith void of water and works

etc.......the reason you cannot see it, nor do you see it or will see it is because you trust in yourself, your abilities, your works and water which have nothing to do with obtaining immediate salvation and eternal life dia faith..........

 

[dcontroversal]

And again you are the one who is arguing against scripture, because you are pitting John's words against his own.

Read his 1st epistle and you will see the eternal life spoken of is mental assurance that comes from the Holy Spirit abiding in us. It is not our own spirit that already has it, for again hatred and making condemning statements at others he says the Truth/eternal life does not abide in them that do such things.

Try again pal...I am not pitting anything against anything, but rather have saving faith and believe the word....it is you that has to twist the word to reject the present tense of eternal life and salvation to fit your heretical stance......!

 

[KennethC]

Jesus, John, Peter, Paul, James, and Jude did not contradict each other, your doctrine of making salvation an immediate physical possession of ours is what makes their words contradict.

QUOTE]

Actually, the same can be said of your words.....not to mention that verb tense, numerous verses in context and writers testify to the immediate possession of and or the following..

1. Spiritual birth immediately upon belief
2. Possessing of eternal life
3. Salvation based upon faith void of water and works

etc.......the reason you cannot see it, nor do you see it or will see it is because you trust in yourself, your abilities, your works and water which have nothing to do with obtaining immediate salvation and eternal life dia faith..........

Use scripture to prove your points, elsewise it is just spouting opinion !!!

1) Acts 5:32 says the Holy Spirit is given to those who obey...............

Obey what? The answer is given by Peter in Acts 2:38.

If you are going to try and use Acts 10-15 for your reasoning it won't work because scripture shows this was only done to prove to the Jews that the Gentiles have the same right to salvation through the Lord as them.


2) Again have, has eternal life are in context of the possession of the Holy Spirit abiding in us, not the physical possession that we will receive ourselves at the day of redemption. Apostle John clarifies this in his epistle !!!


3) Nowhere in the bible is the water immersion in His name (baptism) eliminated/omitted.

Also the works that is being spoke of again is either in the context of works of the law, self-righteous works, or the fact that God showed His grace to us by sending His Son in the flesh to die for us. That is what God did that we did nothing to deserve as we were all sinners living enmity to God when Jesus came in the flesh.

The faith in Jesus that puts us under that grace is a continuing active faith, as Jesus repeats multiple times those who believe in Him are those who does what He says. If a person is not doing what He said that is a clear sign they don't believe in Him.

Again you are wrong and making bad false accusations at a member of the brethren...........

I trust in the Lord Jesus Christ alone which is why I defend His teachings and commands, and will not let others say we don't have to do them or keep them. Teaching another gospel that speaks of disobedience I will never let slide !!!

 

[KennethC]

Try again pal...I am not pitting anything against anything, but rather have saving faith and believe the word....it is you that has to twist the word to reject the present tense of eternal life and salvation to fit your heretical stance......!

Really, why don't you try to push your understanding of Matthew 10:22 again.

You claim this about being saved out of persecutions, but the Lord never said He would do this and even warned the Apostles to flee when they face persecutions. Also what happened to all the original Apostles including Mathias and Paul ???

That's right they all faced persecutions and even were killed except for John who was exiled to Patmos !!!

 

[Ahwatukee]

To Ahwatukee


Acts 10 is not to be taken as the standard for how the Holy Spirit is received, as scripture shows this was only done to prove to the Jews that Gentiles have the same right of salvation through Christ as they do.

I see this common mistake being taught all the time but if we read the scriptures carefully you will see this is why this receiving of the Holy Spirit was done before baptism in Christ (the water immersion).

Even so Apostle Peter still commanded them to be immediately baptized in Jesus after this, he did not tell them it was not needed or necessary. Instead Peter still continued out the command given by the Lord.

Also look at the example of the eunuch and Philip from Acts 8, the eunuch asked Philip what prevents him from being baptized and Philip told him if he believed in all his heart he can. They stopped and Philip took him to the water and baptized him !!!

Also the other bad teaching I see a lot comes from Matthew 7:21-23 where people claim these people trusted in their own works and not the Lord. But that is not what that passage is saying as Jesus told them He never knew them because they continued in iniquity/lawlessness/sinful ways.

Those who claim it is about works need to keep reading to the very next verse Matthew 7:24:

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:"

My point was/is that, they were saved and received the Holy Spirit by faith and faith alone. That is the only reason I used that example. Peter used the same example of salvation by grace through faith alone to the counsel in Jerusalem regarding Cornelius' household when the claim went out by the Pharisee group that the Gentile believers must be circumcised and made to obey the law of Moses. When we believe, we are saved and receive the Holy Spirit by faith alone.

 

[dcontroversal]

Use scripture to prove your points, elsewise it is just spouting opinion !!!<--working Kenny

Many have in context, hundreds of verses and you just reject and argue your moot points with verses out of context and denying verb tense.

1) Acts 5:32 says the Holy Spirit is given to those who obey...............<--working kenny

Obey what? The answer is given by Peter in Acts 2:38.<--working Kenny

Jesus said if you have faith you are having sonship, a spiritual birth, everlasting life, have been born again and are spiritually alive....and Eternally G has on numerous occasions proven the teaching of acts 2:38 by the verb tense which you deny...you must be Pentecostal by your push of Acts 2:38.........and Acts 2:38 is not the onle verse in the bible......!

If you are going to try and use Acts 10-15 for your reasoning it won't work because scripture shows this was only done to prove to the Jews that the Gentiles have the same right to salvation through the Lord as them.<--working Kenny

MOOT and has nothing to do with what I said!


2) Again have, has eternal life are in context of the possession of the Holy Spirit abiding in us, not the physical possession that we will receive ourselves at the day of redemption. Apostle John clarifies this in his epistle !!! <--working Kenny

Jesus said we are SPIRITUALLY BORN AGAIN by the SEED of GOD remaining in us...we are a NEW CREATION in CHRIST JESUS and are PRESENTLY the SONS of GOD.....THE SPIRIT bears WITNESSS with OUR SPIRIT...try again pal...your convoluted twist of the truth is shameful.....


3) Nowhere in the bible is the water immersion in His name (baptism) eliminated/omitted.<--working Kenny

Nobody said it was, so your point is ignorant!

Also the works that is being spoke of again is either in the context of works of the law, self-righteous works, or the fact that God showed His grace to us by sending His Son in the flesh to die for us. That is what God did that we did nothing to deserve as we were all sinners living enmity to God when Jesus came in the flesh.<--working Kenny

WORKS are WORKS are WORKS...your division of works into sub groups is not biblically justified other than to support your heresy!

The faith in Jesus that puts us under that grace is a continuing active faith, as Jesus repeats multiple times those who believe in Him are those who does what He says. If a person is not doing what He said that is a clear sign they don't believe in Him.<--working Kenny

This belies the ignorance of those in Corinthians who have works of wood, hay, stubble....the not so honorable vessels in the house and or men like the fornicator cut loose for the destruction of the flesh...and again proves you believe in works for salvation and self reliance.......false gospel for sure.....!

Again you are wrong and making bad false accusations at a member of the brethren...........<--working Kenny

No actually my statement is founded well on your very words and lack of understanding and or acknowledgement of any verses that contradict you opinion........

I trust in the Lord Jesus Christ alone which is why I defend His teachings and commands, and will not let others say we don't have to do them or keep them. Teaching another gospel that speaks of disobedience I will never let slide !!!<--working Kenny[/QUOTE

No one has said this or stated this which proves you are deaf and or willfully ignorant of what we are actually saying....maybe if you would actually read and try to understand instead of blindly responding without actual biblical facts you would actually make some progress.......

 

[dcontroversal]

[QUOTE as scripture shows this was only done to prove to the =KennethC;2274758]To Ahwatukee


Acts 10 is not to be taken as the standard for how the Holy Spirit is received,Jews that Gentiles have the same right of salvation through Christ as they do.

I see this common mistake being taught all the time but if we read the scriptures carefully you will see this is why this receiving of the Holy Spirit was done before baptism in Christ (the water immersion).

Even so Apostle Peter still commanded them to be immediately baptized in Jesus after this, he did not tell them it was not needed or necessary. Instead Peter still continued out the command given by the Lord.

Also look at the example of the eunuch and Philip from Acts 8, the eunuch asked Philip what prevents him from being baptized and Philip told him if he believed in all his heart he can. They stopped and Philip took him to the water and baptized him !!!

Also the other bad teaching I see a lot comes from Matthew 7:21-23 where people claim these people trusted in their own works and not the Lord. But that is not what that passage is saying as Jesus told them He never knew them because they continued in iniquity/lawlessness/sinful ways.

Those who claim it is about works need to keep reading to the very next verse Matthew 7:24:

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:"[/QUOTE]

The above bolded states volumes about your belief system.....

I am the Lord thy God I change NOT...he is consistently the SAME....WOW..........

 

[KennethC]

My point was/is that, they were saved and received the Holy Spirit by faith and faith alone. That is the only reason I used that example. Peter used the same example of salvation by grace through faith alone to the counsel in Jerusalem regarding Cornelius' household when the claim went out by the Pharisee group that the Gentile believers must be circumcised and made to obey the law of Moses. When we believe, we are saved and receive the Holy Spirit by faith alone.

Again though the Acts 10-15 chapters example was only to prove to Jews that the Gentiles have the same right to salvation through the Lord.

It was never meant to be taken as the standard on how or when the Holy Spirit is given, that standard is given by Peter in Acts 2:38.

The other thing is I do not deny faith alone, but the thing I disagree with is if a person claims that faith in the Lord does not have to be an active one where we keep and obey the teachings and commands of the Lord. Without those actions in the faith to trust and obey to do as the Lord taught and commanded is called a dead faith in the bible, and the Lord clearly says those who do not have the fruits of the Spirit in their life are not saved !!!

 

[KennethC]

Use scripture to prove your points, elsewise it is just spouting opinion !!!<--working Kenny

Many have in context, hundreds of verses and you just reject and argue your moot points with verses out of context and denying verb tense.

1) Acts 5:32 says the Holy Spirit is given to those who obey...............<--working kenny

Obey what? The answer is given by Peter in Acts 2:38.<--working Kenny

Jesus said if you have faith you are having sonship, a spiritual birth, everlasting life, have been born again and are spiritually alive....and Eternally G has on numerous occasions proven the teaching of acts 2:38 by the verb tense which you deny...you must be Pentecostal by your push of Acts 2:38.........and Acts 2:38 is not the onle verse in the bible......!

If you are going to try and use Acts 10-15 for your reasoning it won't work because scripture shows this was only done to prove to the Jews that the Gentiles have the same right to salvation through the Lord as them.<--working Kenny

MOOT and has nothing to do with what I said!


2) Again have, has eternal life are in context of the possession of the Holy Spirit abiding in us, not the physical possession that we will receive ourselves at the day of redemption. Apostle John clarifies this in his epistle !!! <--working Kenny

Jesus said we are SPIRITUALLY BORN AGAIN by the SEED of GOD remaining in us...we are a NEW CREATION in CHRIST JESUS and are PRESENTLY the SONS of GOD.....THE SPIRIT bears WITNESSS with OUR SPIRIT...try again pal...your convoluted twist of the truth is shameful.....


3) Nowhere in the bible is the water immersion in His name (baptism) eliminated/omitted.<--working Kenny

Nobody said it was, so your point is ignorant!

Also the works that is being spoke of again is either in the context of works of the law, self-righteous works, or the fact that God showed His grace to us by sending His Son in the flesh to die for us. That is what God did that we did nothing to deserve as we were all sinners living enmity to God when Jesus came in the flesh.<--working Kenny

WORKS are WORKS are WORKS...your division of works into sub groups is not biblically justified other than to support your heresy!

The faith in Jesus that puts us under that grace is a continuing active faith, as Jesus repeats multiple times those who believe in Him are those who does what He says. If a person is not doing what He said that is a clear sign they don't believe in Him.<--working Kenny

This belies the ignorance of those in Corinthians who have works of wood, hay, stubble....the not so honorable vessels in the house and or men like the fornicator cut loose for the destruction of the flesh...and again proves you believe in works for salvation and self reliance.......false gospel for sure.....!

Again you are wrong and making bad false accusations at a member of the brethren...........<--working Kenny

No actually my statement is founded well on your very words and lack of understanding and or acknowledgement of any verses that contradict you opinion........

I trust in the Lord Jesus Christ alone which is why I defend His teachings and commands, and will not let others say we don't have to do them or keep them. Teaching another gospel that speaks of disobedience I will never let slide !!!<--working Kenny[/QUOTE

No one has said this or stated this which proves you are deaf and or willfully ignorant of what we are actually saying....maybe if you would actually read and try to understand instead of blindly responding without actual biblical facts you would actually make some progress.......

[QUOTE as scripture shows this was only done to prove to the =KennethC;2274758]To Ahwatukee


Acts 10 is not to be taken as the standard for how the Holy Spirit is received,Jews that Gentiles have the same right of salvation through Christ as they do.

I see this common mistake being taught all the time but if we read the scriptures carefully you will see this is why this receiving of the Holy Spirit was done before baptism in Christ (the water immersion).

Even so Apostle Peter still commanded them to be immediately baptized in Jesus after this, he did not tell them it was not needed or necessary. Instead Peter still continued out the command given by the Lord.

Also look at the example of the eunuch and Philip from Acts 8, the eunuch asked Philip what prevents him from being baptized and Philip told him if he believed in all his heart he can. They stopped and Philip took him to the water and baptized him !!!

Also the other bad teaching I see a lot comes from Matthew 7:21-23 where people claim these people trusted in their own works and not the Lord. But that is not what that passage is saying as Jesus told them He never knew them because they continued in iniquity/lawlessness/sinful ways.

Those who claim it is about works need to keep reading to the very next verse Matthew 7:24:

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:"

The above bolded states volumes about your belief system.....

I am the Lord thy God I change NOT...he is consistently the SAME....WOW..........

Again you spout argumentative opinions without any scriptural evidence to prove your point.

God does not change yes, but His covenants and what He tells us to do in them does.
If you do not see that then continue obeying the 613 Mosaic laws as those would still have to be valid in your understanding.

I on the other hand will stick to the facts that I am not under the law, but under grace.


As with E.G. I am done talking with you as well because the two of you continue to spout false accusations at brethren.
I tried to give both of you multiple chances to show me the fruits of the Holy Spirit and yet you both continue to fail..

Have a good life and I will continue to pray for you that God will soften your heart !!!

 

[Ahwatukee]

Again though the Acts 10-15 chapters example was only to prove to Jews that the Gentiles have the same right to salvation through the Lord.

It was never meant to be taken as the standard on how or when the Holy Spirit is given, that standard is given by Peter in Acts 2:38.

The other thing is I do not deny faith alone, but the thing I disagree with is if a person claims that faith in the Lord does not have to be an active one where we keep and obey the teachings and commands of the Lord. Without those actions in the faith to trust and obey to do as the Lord taught and commanded is called a dead faith in the bible, and the Lord clearly says those who do not have the fruits of the Spirit in their life are not saved !!!

The fruits of the Spirit is related to our being transformed into his image, the on-gong process of being made holy. As we go from faith to faith the nature of God is being imputed to us. It is the process of the new man in Christ displacing the old nature. We should not apply our works as aids to salvation. As I said before, our good works should be done to glorify God and by them we are also building up our treasures in heaven. We should not be counting on them as aids to obtain or maintain salvation, because then you are again right back working for it. My position is the same as Paul's:

"May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am done speaking to you because all you want to do is try and twist my words, and make baseless statements.

Yeah? And who are you to judge? Show me where I have ever twisted your words. It is one thing to agree to disagree, but your judgmental right there. Seems to me, you just do not wish to discuss anything uless someone agrees with you. Thus your the one with the problem. not me.

Your hatred and judgmental attitude speaks volumes.......................

Yep. I HATE a false gospel that will send people to hell. if that makes e a bad person so be it, For Jesus and Paul hated it also.

Jesus, John, Peter, Paul, James, and Jude did not contradict each other, your doctrine of making salvation an immediate physical possession of ours is what makes their words contradict.

No. Jesus said whoever believes in him has in their immediate possession eternal life.

You say Jesus did not say this, I will take Jesus words, not yours (and you say I am the one who twists!!)

What I state from the Word of God has it all align perfectly, thanks be to God !!!

I can make the word of God say anything I want, Quoting some verse out of context does not mean your following the word of God. You as an adult and fairlyeducated man should know this.

 

[dcontroversal]

Again you spout argumentative opinions without any scriptural evidence to prove your point.

God does not change yes, but His covenants and what He tells us to do in them does.
If you do not see that then continue obeying the 613 Mosaic laws as those would still have to be valid in your understanding.

I on the other hand will stick to the facts that I am not under the law, but under grace.


As with E.G. I am done talking with you as well because the two of you continue to spout false accusations at brethren.
I tried to give both of you multiple chances to show me the fruits of the Holy Spirit and yet you both continue to fail..

Have a good life and I will continue to pray for you that God will soften your heart !!!

Who said anything about being under the law....wow...you really arte losing the plot hey.......guess your grace is limited hey...that fits your theology well.....good thing Jesus doesn't cut you off pal hey.......and if your so righteous and godly and knowledgeable you would not give up on ole Eternally G and myself........hhahahahahah what a joke and a farce!

 

[dcontroversal]

Yeah? And who are you to judge? Show me where I have ever twisted your words. It is one thing to agree to disagree, but your judgmental right there. Seems to me, you just do not wish to discuss anything uless someone agrees with you. Thus your the one with the problem. not me.

Yep. I HATE a false gospel that will send people to hell. if that makes e a bad person so be it, For Jesus and Paul hated it also.

No. Jesus said whoever believes in him has in their immediate possession eternal life.

You say Jesus did not say this, I will take Jesus words, not yours (and you say I am the one who twists!!)


I can make the word of God say anything I want, Quoting some verse out of context does not mean your following the word of God. You as an adult and fairlyeducated man should know this.

He is done with me now too.....whew....man it took long enough hey......as long as he remains blind to the truth he will never get it...just like his theology...the grace of God/Kenneth is limited and must be earned by following his will and doing everything he says...jot and tittle!

 

[weakness]

We continually grieve the Spirit but His grace is greater...especially for His children...

Hebrews 12:6 (NET) “For the Lord disciplines the one he loves and chastises every son he accepts.”

​I don't think we are to continually to grieve the Spirit, in fact it says not to grieve the Spirit. If you do you might want to pray about it. That is what this OSAS crap does it gives us the false assumption that no mater what we do we are ok with god. The same with the rapture, Everything will Just go away, No tribulation, no testimony in tribulation. If we want to be like Jesus we have to be like Jesus, He was our example for all times.People are going to come to the end and just be clueless as to what the lord is doing in the world. I don't think God throws us away at every mistake. I have Children and Children Grow, what was once acceptable is now not God treats us like that. We had fathers in the flesh that chastised us according to their will, but we have a heavenly Father that disciplines us for his and our prophet.We are like students that should be in graduate school but are in the second grade. The only reason I feel this committed is that when I got saved I had a first love that carried me and gave me joy and faith that some how I've lost and I think God is giving it back. I don't remember the vs. but it goes like this..."How many of you saw the temple in it's first glory", and all the older people start to cry. Then they give to the Lord and get all fired up. overwhelmingly. WE have to wake up out if our sleep and Christ will give us light. Come out from among her and be not partakers of her sins. We are so locked into the world. We live like it , think like it consomme like it, Watch it's Weekly gladiator games. Build our big homes ,or try,Our religion is all neat and tidy, not to interfere to much in our lives. We don't know the scripture. Half the scripture on here is misquoted, misunderstood,many time use by our pride to exalt us above others, sometimes we have something from the lord and please share that. I just have to get this out or I'll be held accountable. Probably cause a fire storm ,I hope not. Whats wrong with serving God with all you heart and strength? Look to Acts what was their first love like? I'm afraid we are neither hot nor cold but lukewarm. I almost died a few weeks ago. I had kidney failure , my blood reading were death written all over, but God brought me through the Doc calls it a miracle. Then in a nursing home and seeing all the elderly dying and lonely ,confused Without hope.It had an effect on me.There is no time to wait . Now is the accepted time , now is the day of salvation. If you think about it tommorrow never really comes, It's always today.And today is the accepted time , when we here his voice. Bless you all