The False Doctrine Most Professing Christians are unaware of.

[peacefulbeliever]

Not you, but your explanations define the facts of how the carnal mind thinks.

Originally Posted by just-me

You have explained very well the thinking of the carnal mind. I agree with you.

And your response to me is this? I cannot understand why you would even think of such a thing. LOL Your thoughts to confirm your coming up with this would be greatly appreciated. I thought that I made it clear in the above post that I wasn't insinuating that, but just the opposite. I'm confused and dismayed if I gave that impression to you. Whatever voice was speaking to you wasn't mine. [/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by peacefulbeliever

Just to be sure I understand and I am not assuming . . . You are saying that you agree that what I posted shows a carnal mind, so . . . Are you saying that I have a carnal mind and therefore am at enmity with God?

You full well understand why I asked that because - don't you see that I post what I think - what I believe . . . therefore you are saying I have a carnal mind.





Please explain to me how you see this?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

just- me: "And your response to me is this? I cannot understand why you would even think of such a thing. LOL Your thoughts to confirm your coming up with this would be greatly appreciated. I thought that I made it clear in the above post that I wasn't insinuating that, but just the opposite. I'm confused and dismayed if I gave that impression to you. Whatever voice was speaking to you wasn't mine. "[/SIZE]

You full well understand why I asked that because - don't you see that I post what I think - what I believe . . . therefore you are saying I have a carnal mind.

Please explain to me how you see this?

And I do not believe that you are confused and dismayed at all . . . your "voice" said volumes and your voice sounds very fake. Ever heard the expression - forked tongue or speaking out of both sides of your mouth. We were carrying on a relatively courteous conversation until your insinuations . . . . tch, tch, tch.

 

[just-me]

And I do not believe that you are confused and dismayed at all . . . your "voice" said volumes and your voice sounds very fake.Ever heard the expression - forked tongue or speaking out of both sides of your mouth. We were carrying on a relatively courteous conversation until your insinuations . . . . tch, tch, tch.

I know this is the post that started this. Take it where you want. I'm not on board with you.

I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unityof the Spirit in the bond of peace. Ephesians 4:1-3

Divisions are ushered into the church by dividing God's word into certain categories as men prefer their doctrine to represent. So in order to propagate their doctrine, there are also certain parts of God's word that need to be excluded. This is proof that carnality rules instead of spirituality in Christ. Rejection is usually due to not being able to understand the spiritual concepts of the truth of scriptures parable. We are to strive to keep the unity of faith in opposition to this, and then know how to oppose/fight against these things be severing communication. ​

Now I beseech you, brethren, markthem which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Romans n 16:17

If we rightly divide the word of God, we are putting all of God's word together rightly. So rightly dividing the word of truth is actually rightly defining the word of truth by refusing to disregard any part of God's words that He has given to us.

Wrongly dividing causes division, and rightly defining cause unity. Rather than say “oh well, this will be until Christ coming so He can make it right (even though that is right also), Jesus making it right doesn't give us he excuse not the contend for the faith. Jude 1:3

I think it's easy to see who wants to divide and who wants unity whether it's the division of people or the division of God's word. One leads to the other, this way or that way, the end result is the same.

Rightly dividing the word of God is a "right-cutting" or "straight cutting". Trying to put the church "under the law" causes division for the church is the administration (dispensation) of God's grace. God even classifies this age as the "dispensation of His grace". Why specify that if it isn't different?

I never mentioned the law in the OP. Your post is the first mention of the law which I think is divisive in this case. Of course in CC the anti-legalist people usually bring that up first and the division is manifested by wrongly dividing. This is a thread on divisions in the church. Seems to me that the phrase "rightly dividing" is used often in order to wrongly divide.

This is how division happens. It will only stop if jumping to false conclusions by adversarial assumptions of others motives don't cease. The adversary wants negativity and division to furnish so edification comes to a stand still.

For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Romans 15:3

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I know this is the post that started this. Take it where you want. I'm not on board with you.

This is how division happens. It will only stop if jumping to false conclusions by adversarial assumptions of others motives don't cease. The adversary wants negativity and division to furnish so edification comes to a stand still.

For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Romans 15:3

When you insinuated that what I had posted was of a "carnal mind" and that you agreed that this was "how the carnal mind thinks" . . . what on earth else would you expect me to believe you were saying or insinuating?

This actually isn't how division happens but hey, it's all okay, just-me . . . I know that I am not the one who starts the threads that cause contention - even knowing that they will cause contention.
I know that God's word accomplishes what he desires . . . and most has been accomplished up to the second coming and the end of the age. I can't help it that you cannot see that I believe in every precept written in the word of God - I just don't believe that all things are applicable to our lives in the body of Christ. I love all of God's word and I do not need to be defending myself to anyone so I will shut up now. . . .

I rest in Christ . . . PB

 

[gb9]

I know this is the post that started this. Take it where you want. I'm not on board with you.




This is how division happens. It will only stop if jumping to false conclusions by adversarial assumptions of others motives don't cease. The adversary wants negativity and division to furnish so edification comes to a stand still.

For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Romans 15:3

no, the division will stop when folks like you stop false-teaching that we are under the O.T. law, which the N.T. declares again and again that we ARE NOT. you did not say that here, but we know that is what your driving at.

 

[just-me]

There is a catalyst that will bring unity into the church. That is for EVERYONE to esteem all of God's words as EVERLASTING truth for ALL of God's children, and not categorizing one word of His to be more or less important to us than anything else He ever said.

If we could all agree on this one simple FACT, this would be a very good start. But instead, what do we have posted over and over? What do we have that demands just the opposite? It's a travesty, to recognize the fact that we abuse the grace of God by preaching that this or that which God has spoken is abolished due to His own grace. THAT my friends or enemies (whatever you prefer) is clearly taking the Lord's name in vain.

For a person that has faith in God WILL adhere to this fact. How can a person be classified the same as the hypocritical Pharisees while believing in Christ Jesus and also abiding by the words that Jesus said to the devil that we LIVE---- I say LIVE---- He says LIVE by EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of God!

 

[just-us-2]

it's all okay, just-me . . . I know that I am not the one who starts the threads that cause contention - even knowing that they will cause contention.

That insinuation that just-me started this thread knowing it would cause contention is unfounded. You were the one to bring up the always controversial "law" in post #16. The op says nothing about the law or the separating of old and new testaments.

... I believe in every precept written in the word of God - I just don't believe that all things are applicable to our lives in the body of Christ.

​You do realize that you are contradicting yourself there don't you?

 

[gb9]

There is a catalyst that will bring unity into the church. That is for EVERYONE to esteem all of God's words as EVERLASTING truth for ALL of God's children, and not categorizing one word of His to be more or less important to us than anything else He ever said.

If we could all agree on this one simple FACT, this would be a very good start. But instead, what do we have posted over and over? What do we have that demands just the opposite? It's a travesty, to recognize the fact that we abuse the grace of God by preaching that this or that which God has spoken is abolished due to His own grace. THAT my friends or enemies (whatever you prefer) is clearly taking the Lord's name in vain.

For a person that has faith in God WILL adhere to this fact. How can a person be classified the same as the hypocritical Pharisees while believing in Christ Jesus and also abiding by the words that Jesus said to the devil that we LIVE---- I say LIVE---- He says LIVE by EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of God!

so, just do what YOU say, everything will be fine. nah, pass, you are wrong. period. not under the law, but under grace. saved BY grace, THROUGH faith, For good works. I could on, but you already know, you chose to twist and ignore.

 

[just-me]

When you insinuated that what I had posted was of a "carnal mind" and that you agreed that this was "how the carnal mind thinks" . . . what on earth else would you expect me to believe you were saying or insinuating?

This actually isn't how division happens but hey, it's all okay, just-me . . . I know that I am not the one who starts the threads that cause contention - even knowing that they will cause contention.
I know that God's word accomplishes what he desires . . . and most has been accomplished up to the second coming and the end of the age. I can't help it that you cannot see that I believe in every precept written in the word of God - I just don't believe that all things are applicable to our lives in the body of Christ. I love all of God's word and I do not need to be defending myself to anyone so I will shut up now. . . .

I rest in Christ . . . PB

If we claim to be a member of the true church, then Numbers 5:12-29 applies to our spiritual life. Let's talk about that for a while because it pertains to the thread title, what causes division from Christ and each other. Let's define, by the Holy Spirit, what it means to us.

 

[just-us-2]

Could we get back to the real topic of this thread now? It has been sufficiently shattered into enough different elements.

 

[just-us-2]

Just wondering - has anyone besides me considered what the scriptures are saying about division and unity within the true Church?

 

[oldthennew]

'THE TOWER OF BABEL'
they were so unified in their purpose that God had to come down and intervene.

Gen.11:5-7.
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.
And the Lord said, "Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what
they begin to do; now nothing that they purpose to do will be withheld from them.
(these evil men were in such unity that God recognized they would accomplish their purpose
and it would have literally changed prophetic history.)
((here is a very sad point)), even in here,in CC, a 'common righteous unity' cannot seem to be reached,
How our Lord must have wept when He declared -
LUKE 16:8.
And the Lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world
are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

it is written again,
Jesus Wept.

If we cannot continually attain a unity in just good manners, respect, and kindness/tolerance
towards one another, then we do not even attain to the wisdom of the wicked -
we should go out and weep bitterly and put on sack-cloth and ashes.....

 

[gb9]

Titus 3 -9. all you and just-me want to do is what it says NOT to do.

 

[just-me]

Just wondering - has anyone besides me considered what the scriptures are saying about division and unity within the true Church?

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Corinthians 1:10

 

[just-me]

Titus 3 -9. all you and just-me want to do is what it says NOT to do.

Do you have the heart for us all to be united within all of God's word instead of just part of it? "Mark them that cause division among you."

 

[BarlyGurl]

I don't think it needs to be "perfectly accommodating"... but surely should operate without the rife, strife and mud slinging that too often happens around here. It is fine to be passionate but adversarial-ism isn't of the HS.

 

[gb9]

Do you have the heart for us all to be united within all of God's word instead of just part of it? "Mark them that cause division among you."

correct. throw out you works-Salvationism and you will no longer be a causer of division!!! by this you know that you are MY DECIPILES that you love one another. not if you keep the law.

 

[just-me]

correct. throw out you works-Salvationism and you will no longer be a causer of division!!! by this you know that you are MY DECIPILES that you love one another. not if you keep the law.

OK Who is mentioning the "works-Salvationism" besides you? It has to be in, in order to throw it out.

I don't think self works produces salvation, so this is a good start to agree with each other. Right?

 

[gb9]

OK Who is mentioning the "works-Salvationism" besides you? It has to be in, in order to throw it out.

you and others are not saying it directly, but as I said earlier, that is what ya'll are pushing. so, are the verses I post not being addressed? because they have nothing to do with works salvation??

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If we claim to be a member of the true church, then Numbers 5:12-29 applies to our spiritual life. Let's talk about that for a while because it pertains to the thread title, what causes division from Christ and each other. Let's define, by the Holy Spirit, what it means to us.

Why don't you start the ball rolling and explain to us how those verses apply to our spiritual life and pertain to the thread title?