1500 year Old bible found in Turkey, whith the name of Muhammad!!

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
C

CanadaNZ

Guest
#21
By your stated paradigm it is evident that you have a very poor understanding about the Muslim culture or as to the knowledge of how the people actually do live amongst each other. In any religion, even Christianity (crusaders) there are those that take murdering and raping into their own hands and by their own will and claim it to be of their deity. These fanaticals usually cause more harm than good towards their faith and the followers of their faith.

For the devout Muslim, honour, integrity, peace, rightiousness is considered essential as part of their core belief system. If one is but to go into their country one would realize the high esteem with which they treat people and the core values is emphasised much more than in the western cultures. For example they have set specific areas for single woman in a park and specific areas for single men and then specific areas for couples. A man is not allowed to enter into a room where a lady is alone. They even have different times for when certain groups can shop. People can walk freely on the street without the worry of someone that is going to attack or steal from them. If someone is caught stealing, there hand is chopped off. In truth, their society is much more disciplined and rightious according to their works, that we as westerners can hardly point a finger and make claims.

No one expects you to follow the path of a Muslim. But it is not necessary to try tell stories about them if you don't know the full facts, just because you feel threatened by their faith. Instead rather let your own works be an example to them... for Jesus said unless our rightious exceed those of the pharisees we will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
HAHAHA pointing to the crusaders as why we should accept muslims. There is truth and their is lies and both the crusades and the muslim beliefs are not based on truth.
 
C

CanadaNZ

Guest
#22
A 1,500-year-old Bible in which Jesus is believed to have foretold the coming of the Prophet Mohammed to Earth has attracted attention from the Vatican this week.
Pope Benedict XVI has reportedly requested to see the book, which has been hidden in Turkey for the last 12 years, according to the Daily Mail.
The text, reportedly worth $22 million, is said to contain Jesus’ prediction of the Prophet’s coming but was suppressed by the Christian Church for years for its strong resemblance to the Islamic view of Jesus, Turkish culture and tourism minister Ertugrul Gunay told the newspaper.
“In line with Islamic belief, the Gospel treats Jesus as a human being and not a God. It rejects the ideas of the Holy Trinity and the Crucifixion and reveals that Jesus predicted the coming of the Prophet Mohammed,” the newspaper reported.
“In one version of the gospel, he is said to have told a priest: ‘How shall the Messiah be called? Mohammed is his blessed name.’
“And in another, Jesus denied being the Messiah, claiming that he or she would be Ishmaelite, the term used for an Arab,” the newspaper added.
According to the report, Muslims claim the text, which many say is the Gospel of Barnabas, is an addition to the original gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John.
St. Barnabas is traditionally identified as the founder of the Cypriot Church, an early Christian later named an apostle.
Gunay said the Vatican has officially requested to see the book, which Turkey had discovered during a police anti-smuggling operation in 2000.
The gang was reportedly convicted of smuggling various items seized during the operation, including the Bible, and all the artifacts were kept in a safe at an Ankara courthouse.
It remained closely guarded by authorities before being handed over to the Ankara Ethnography Museum where it will soon be put on show.
A photocopy of a single page from the leather-bound, gold-lettered book, penned in Jesus’ native Aramaic language is reportedly worth about $2.4 million.
But skepticism over the authenticity of the ancient handwritten manuscript has arisen.
Protestant pastor İhsan Özbek has said this version of the book is said to come from the fifth or sixth century, while St. Barnabas had lived in the first century as one of the Apostles of Jesus.
“The copy in Ankara might have been written by one of the followers of St. Barnabas,” he told the Today Zaman newspaper.
“Since there is around 500 years in between St. Barnabas and the writing of the Bible copy, Muslims may be disappointed to see that this copy does not include things they would like to see … It might have no relation with the content of the Gospel of Barnabas,” Özbek added.
But suspicions could soon be laid to rest.
The real age of the Bible could soon be determined by a scientific scan, theology professor Ömer Faruk Harman told the Daily Mail, possibly clarifying whether it was written by St. Barnabas or a follower of his.
They have the Gospel of Judas which is supposed to be as old as the rest of the New Testament but it is a Gnostic heresy so what if this bible is old doesn't make it true.
 
N

NitzWalsh

Guest
#23
They have the Gospel of Judas which is supposed to be as old as the rest of the New Testament but it is a Gnostic heresy so what if this bible is old doesn't make it true.
Exactly... And when we have copies of older manuscripts available that show what we have in our bibles today it kind of makes a bible from 1500 that says something different very questionable... At least I find it very questionable.
 

WordGaurdian

Senior Member
May 1, 2011
473
8
0
#24
HAHAHA pointing to the crusaders as why we should accept muslims. There is truth and their is lies and both the crusades and the muslim beliefs are not based on truth.
There is a huge difference between the everyday Muslim and a fanatical group of Islam. The concept of "holy war" is evident with the fantical group of Islam, but not by the Muslim.

Just like we ourselves as Christians can also be reffered to as murders because of the templars and crusaders, who was a fanatical group. Yet your every day devout Christian would rather be burned then burn. Rather be crucified than to crucify.

Understanding muslim is the first step in understanding the people that follow in the muslim faith. And understanding them, is the first step in loving them. And loving them is the first step in showing them Christianity in its true form. If your rightiousness don't exceed theirs, what are you truthfully showing them?
Only if your rightiousness and love exceed theirs can you ever hope to make them take a look at your faith with respect. And only if they respect your faith, will they be willing to follow it.
 

loveme1

Senior Member
Oct 30, 2011
8,090
191
63
#25
It is all in the name.

Jesus to the pagans, is the false prophet of revelation. Yeshua the Messiah comes after.........
To some the name is Jesus as in greek god zues for pagans, to others it is Yeshua the Messiah. and they have been misguided. But their heart and soul are known to Almighty Yahweh God.

The united church will usher him in,as though he is Yeshua, but if you seek the truth they will not deceive you.............. The Bible tells you all of this. If you are under the influence of men, then you may well be deceived.

1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


The Bible is an active Book..........
 
T

Trax

Guest
#27
A 1,500-year-old Bible in which Jesus is believed to have foretold the coming of the Prophet Mohammed to Earth has attracted attention from the Vatican this week.
Pope Benedict XVI has reportedly requested to see the book, which has been hidden in Turkey for the last 12 years, according to the Daily Mail.

Someone probably doctored up some scriptures, about Jesus speaking of mohammed, in order
to convert Christians to Islam, back then. Lest anyone forget, Joseph Smith doctored up the
Bible to fortell of his on coming.

I'm still waiting for someone to claim they found the bones of Jesus.
 
Z

zackabba

Guest
#28
A 1,500-year-old Bible in which Jesus is believed to have foretold the coming of the Prophet Mohammed to Earth has attracted attention from the Vatican this week.
Pope Benedict XVI has reportedly requested to see the book, which has been hidden in Turkey for the last 12 years, according to the Daily Mail.
The text, reportedly worth $22 million, is said to contain Jesus’ prediction of the Prophet’s coming but was suppressed by the Christian Church for years for its strong resemblance to the Islamic view of Jesus, Turkish culture and tourism minister Ertugrul Gunay told the newspaper.
“In line with Islamic belief, the Gospel treats Jesus as a human being and not a God. It rejects the ideas of the Holy Trinity and the Crucifixion and reveals that Jesus predicted the coming of the Prophet Mohammed,” the newspaper reported.
“In one version of the gospel, he is said to have told a priest: ‘How shall the Messiah be called? Mohammed is his blessed name.’
“And in another, Jesus denied being the Messiah, claiming that he or she would be Ishmaelite, the term used for an Arab,” the newspaper added.
According to the report, Muslims claim the text, which many say is the Gospel of Barnabas, is an addition to the original gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John.
St. Barnabas is traditionally identified as the founder of the Cypriot Church, an early Christian later named an apostle.
Gunay said the Vatican has officially requested to see the book, which Turkey had discovered during a police anti-smuggling operation in 2000.
The gang was reportedly convicted of smuggling various items seized during the operation, including the Bible, and all the artifacts were kept in a safe at an Ankara courthouse.
It remained closely guarded by authorities before being handed over to the Ankara Ethnography Museum where it will soon be put on show.
A photocopy of a single page from the leather-bound, gold-lettered book, penned in Jesus’ native Aramaic language is reportedly worth about $2.4 million.
But skepticism over the authenticity of the ancient handwritten manuscript has arisen.
Protestant pastor İhsan Özbek has said this version of the book is said to come from the fifth or sixth century, while St. Barnabas had lived in the first century as one of the Apostles of Jesus.
“The copy in Ankara might have been written by one of the followers of St. Barnabas,” he told the Today Zaman newspaper.
“Since there is around 500 years in between St. Barnabas and the writing of the Bible copy, Muslims may be disappointed to see that this copy does not include things they would like to see … It might have no relation with the content of the Gospel of Barnabas,” Özbek added.
But suspicions could soon be laid to rest.
The real age of the Bible could soon be determined by a scientific scan, theology professor Ömer Faruk Harman told the Daily Mail, possibly clarifying whether it was written by St. Barnabas or a follower of his.
So...you would trust a forgery rather than the better kept text of the New Testament?
 
Sep 26, 2015
7
0
0
#29
Did you know that there is more documentation written from the Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) than any other Prophet in History. His whole life have been documented by people who was around him from birth up until he died. What do you have on Jesus. Honestly the Bible speaks horribly about the Prophet Noah, that he was a drunk and Samson was adulterer and the Prophet Loot who God saved from the people who committed sodomy acts with men and and went on an committed incest with his daughters, But the Quraan does not speak about these Prophets in this manner at all. In fact the Quraan has a whole chapter on Jesus Mothers family , a Chapter on the best most pious women that ever lived which is Mary mother of Jesus. it talks about Jesus miraculous birth and how Jesus defending his mother as an infant against the Jews who accused her of having a child out of wedlock. Muslims do not ever speak bad about Jesus in fact there are more muslims in the world with the Arabic name of Jesus (peace be on him) which is Esa living today than there are christian people called Jesus. If you study the true teachings of Mohammeds (peace be with him) life you will find him not as you think him to be.
 
Nov 19, 2012
5,484
27
0
#31
Did you know that there is more documentation written from the Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) than any other Prophet in History. His whole life have been documented by people who was around him from birth up until he died. What do you have on Jesus. Honestly the Bible speaks horribly about the Prophet Noah, that he was a drunk and Samson was adulterer and the Prophet Loot who God saved from the people who committed sodomy acts with men and and went on an committed incest with his daughters, But the Quraan does not speak about these Prophets in this manner at all. In fact the Quraan has a whole chapter on Jesus Mothers family , a Chapter on the best most pious women that ever lived which is Mary mother of Jesus. it talks about Jesus miraculous birth and how Jesus defending his mother as an infant against the Jews who accused her of having a child out of wedlock. Muslims do not ever speak bad about Jesus in fact there are more muslims in the world with the Arabic name of Jesus (peace be on him) which is Esa living today than there are christian people called Jesus. If you study the true teachings of Mohammeds (peace be with him) life you will find him not as you think him to be.

According to the followers of Islam, their 'prophet Muhammad'was responsible for the written text which comprises their Koran.

If this is the case, then where in all of the Koran is anything like the following written…


'I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran'

Or…

'I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran'

Or…

'I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel'

Or…

'I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired'



Fact is, the Koran never once mentions who wrote the text, nor that there were any eyewitnesses, nor that it was divinely inspired.


Not once.



What it does claim, however, is that it merely copied and translated the previous inspired Jewish and Christian scriptures into Arabic.
 
K

Kefa54

Guest
#32
Did you ever have one of those moments when the Spirit told you to "RUN Kefa,RUN."
 

prove-all

Senior Member
May 16, 2014
5,977
400
83
63
#33
Did you know that there is more documentation written from the Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) than any other Prophet in History. His whole life have been documented by people who was around him from birth up until he died. What do you have on Jesus. Honestly the Bible speaks horribly about the Prophet Noah, that he was a drunk and Samson was adulterer and the Prophet Loot who God saved from the people who committed sodomy acts with men and and went on an committed incest with his daughters, But the Quraan does not speak about these Prophets in this manner at all. In fact the Quraan has a whole chapter on Jesus Mothers family , a Chapter on the best most pious women that ever lived which is Mary mother of Jesus. it talks about Jesus miraculous birth and how Jesus defending his mother as an infant against the Jews who accused her of having a child out of wedlock. Muslims do not ever speak bad about Jesus in fact there are more muslims in the world with the Arabic name of Jesus (peace be on him) which is Esa living today than there are christian people called Jesus. If you study the true teachings of Mohammeds (peace be with him) life you will find him not as you think him to be.
so where in the bible does it say Lot sleep with men?

so you think Mohammed was better then the bible prophets.

funny how followers of the 12 man, say death to big satan and little satan,

and death to all infendels, and mass killings will bring back [there] messiah
 
Last edited:
Nov 19, 2012
5,484
27
0
#34
Muslims do not ever speak bad about Jesus....
Neither do the authors of the Koran...

Jesus, The Bright Morning Star


وأنه هو أمات وأحياوأنه خلق الزوجين الذكروالأنثىمن نطفة إذا تمنىوأن عليه النشأةالأخرىوأنه هو أغنى وأقنى وأنه هو رب الشعرى

Waannahu huwa amata waahya waannahu khalaqa alzzawjayni alththakara waal-ontha min nutfatin itha tumna waanna AAalayhi alnnash-ata al-okhra waannahu huwa aghna waaqna waannahu huwa rabbu alshshiAAra

And certainly Him, He caused to die, and He gave life. And certainly Him, He made (ready) The Husband and wife, The Male and the female. From a quantity of pure water, when emitted. And certainly in Him (is) The Resurrection, the last. And certainly Him, He fulfills the needs, and He is most preservative. And certainly Him, He, the Lord of the Bright Morning Star. (53.44 – 49)


How is it that the authors of the Koran knew that Jesus Christ is God?



 
Nov 19, 2012
5,484
27
0
#35
In fact the Quraan has a whole chapter on Jesus Mothers family , a Chapter on the best most pious women that ever lived which is Mary mother of Jesus. it talks about Jesus miraculous birth and how Jesus defending his mother as an infant against the Jews who accused her of having a child out of wedlock.
And this...

أن دعوا للرحمن ولدا وما ينبغي للرحمن أن يتخذ ولدا

An daAAaw lilrrahmani waladan Wama yanbaghee lilrrahmani an yattakhitha waladan

That they called to the most merciful a son. And that it is convenient to the most merciful that he takes a son. (19.91 – 92)


There is no denial of the Son in these ayahs...
 
Sep 16, 2014
1,666
100
48
#36
1500 years ago was about when Muhammad lived, so right away the book, if it really exists, is about as old as the Quran.

No such claims are valid until proved in the world of antiquities by professional . Where is the archaeological dig data of a proper retrieval?
Add to that an independent certified C14 date, which would be highly accurate for anything of that date. Leather pages would be very easy to analyze even if charred. Not submitted to legitimate review the "news" is safely considered a hoax. There are experts who are able to identify the writings, the letter style, language nuances from the claimed period, the ink source, leather source, type of binding technology, pollen source, etc. Apparently none of that has been done.

Let's see some professional documentation instead of copy/paste of what is strongly pointing to "click bait".

By hiding such a book, the results were to spread the Bible throughout the world "unchallenged", making even the Muslim's the Quran non sequitur by comparison. Seeing it in this century is like an assumed legal heir showing up for the reading of his family will a thousand years too late. The whole of the story is so unprofessional as to neither possibly be right, and so bad as to not possibly be wrong.
 
E

Elysian

Guest
#37
This thing has the stench of a fake all over it.
 
U

Ugly

Guest
#38
This thing has the stench of a fake all over it.
Well, it is a 3 year old necro-thread that a Muslim on a Christian site decided to resurrect from the dead.
 
U

Ugly

Guest
#39
Did you know that there is more documentation written from the Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) than any other Prophet in History. His whole life have been documented by people who was around him from birth up until he died. What do you have on Jesus. Honestly the Bible speaks horribly about the Prophet Noah, that he was a drunk and Samson was adulterer and the Prophet Loot who God saved from the people who committed sodomy acts with men and and went on an committed incest with his daughters, But the Quraan does not speak about these Prophets in this manner at all. In fact the Quraan has a whole chapter on Jesus Mothers family , a Chapter on the best most pious women that ever lived which is Mary mother of Jesus. it talks about Jesus miraculous birth and how Jesus defending his mother as an infant against the Jews who accused her of having a child out of wedlock. Muslims do not ever speak bad about Jesus in fact there are more muslims in the world with the Arabic name of Jesus (peace be on him) which is Esa living today than there are christian people called Jesus. If you study the true teachings of Mohammeds (peace be with him) life you will find him not as you think him to be.
Did you know it's against the posted die tiles you agreed to when joining to teach on other religions on this site?
 

crossnote

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2012
30,713
3,651
113
#40
According to the followers of Islam, their 'prophet Muhammad'was responsible for the written text which comprises their Koran.

If this is the case, then where in all of the Koran is anything like the following written…


'I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran'

Or…

'I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran'

Or…

'I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel'

Or…

'I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired'



Fact is, the Koran never once mentions who wrote the text, nor that there were any eyewitnesses, nor that it was divinely inspired.


Not once.



What it does claim, however, is that it merely copied and translated the previous inspired Jewish and Christian scriptures into Arabic.
Funny thing though, the manuscript finds which date before the 7th century agree with the Judeo-Christian texts, I guess the copiers and translators of the Koran were broken...maybe they should have gone to Kinkos :)