Replacement/Supersessionism Theology,Why it Matters

[kaylagrl]

On a positive note. Though even many in the church refuse to accept future blessings specifically for Israel, and the Muslim religion gains in strength, ultimately this will result in Israel being isolated, they will stand alone. When the events foretold in Zechariah Ch12 take place it will be like it was in OT times when israel faced what were naturally insurmountable odds, yet won the battles. And God will want them to stand alone, so all see it was only his power that won the battle for them.

You are right. There has been a rise in this theology again. The Catholic church and others renounced this teaching after the Holocaust. The teaching that the church replaced the Jews.Now years later its raising its ugly head again.I think you are right,the Jew will stand alone yet again and see the salvation of the Lord.

 

[Tintin]

We have been grafted in.

Yes, but the New Covenant is still superior to the Mosaic Law.

 

[crossnote]

Key word bolded above.

That's why I picked the Scripture, countering 1611 saying ...

There is no such thing as replacement theology... you can't replace something that never existed to start with. Seriously where do you get that Israel has ever been God's chosen people?

There has always been a remnant according to grace.

 

[crossnote]

Was Paul saved because he was an Israelite or because he had faith in Jesus?

Faith in Jesus, but he was still an Israelite...

I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
(Rom 11:1)

 

[crossnote]

Which offspring of Abraham was God talking about, the spiritual seed or the physical seed?

Both, it is called the remnant.

 

[crossnote]

Um. What about Jesus and His sacrifice? Believers living in light of the New Covenant, not the Old Covenant.

It's called the Church the Body of Christ...not Israel.

But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
(Eph 2:13-16)


Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church,
(Col 1:24)

 

[james57]

Yes, but the New Covenant is still superior to the Mosaic Law.

Yes, and a time is coming when all physical Jews will accept the new covenant

 

[KJV1611]

Faith in Jesus, but he was still an Israelite...

I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
(Rom 11:1)

God hasn't rejected all of Israel, there are still some who come to faith in Christ just like Paul did. There is a remnant, but salvation on a large scale has left Israel and is gone to the Gentiles. But there will still be Jews to be saved... not because they are Jews, but because they are God's elect just like I'm God's elect.... elect meaning chosen by Him to inherit the promises made to Abraham and his seed Christ.

 

[Tintin]

It's called the Church the Body of Christ...not Israel.

But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
(Eph 2:13-16)


Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church,
(Col 1:24)

Yes, exactly. Maybe I just get confused by Kayla's posts about Jews. It always seems like she's raising up Jews at the expense of Christians. I'm sure that's not the case, but that's how it reads. Personally, I feel no ill will towards Jews and I haven't seen this tension between Christians and Jews in real-life.

 

[Tintin]

Yes, and a time is coming when all physical Jews will accept the new covenant

All? Really? Or just many?

 

[james57]

All? Really? Or just many?

ALL..........

 

[Tintin]

ALL..........

Evidence, please.

 

[james57]

Evidence, please.

Hebrews 8:11 Hebrews 11:26

 

[KJV1611]

Yes, and a time is coming when all physical Jews will accept the new covenant

I assume you get that from Romans 11:26. Which Israel is Paul talking about, physical Israel or spiritual Israel (children of the promise... Isaac, Jacob, me, you)?

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[kaylagrl]

Yes, exactly. Maybe I just get confused by Kayla's posts about Jews. It always seems like she's raising up Jews at the expense of Christians. I'm sure that's not the case, but that's how it reads. Personally, I feel no ill will towards Jews and I haven't seen this tension between Christians and Jews in real-life.

"raising up Jews at the expense of Christians" can you elaborate?

 

[crossnote]

Yes, but the New Covenant is still superior to the Mosaic Law.

In every way, even the Abrahamic Covenant superseded the Mosaic being unconditional and an everlasting one.

 

[james57]

I assume you get that from Romans 11:26. Which Israel is Paul talking about, physical Israel or spiritual Israel (children of the promise... Isaac, Jacob, me, you)?

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

I assume from your post you believe everyone on earth will be turned away from ungodliness and be saved then

 

[KJV1611]

I assume from your post you believe everyone on earth will be turned away from ungodliness and be saved then

No, I believe all of spiritual Israel will be saved. Israel that comes from the Jewish bloodline and Israel that comes from the Gentile bloodline.

 

[crossnote]

God hasn't rejected all of Israel, there are still some who come to faith in Christ just like Paul did. There is a remnant, but salvation on a large scale has left Israel and is gone to the Gentiles. But there will still be Jews to be saved... not because they are Jews, but because they are God's elect just like I'm God's elect.... elect meaning chosen by Him to inherit the promises made to Abraham and his seed Christ.

Show me Scripture where you say "but salvation on a large scale has left Israel and is gone to the Gentiles".

Read Rom 11. The picture is that there is a hardening for the most part UNTIL the times of the Gentiles is complete then God is going to save a great in gathering (not all) at the end of the Tribulation (Jacob's Trouble).

 

[james57]

No, I believe all of spiritual Israel will be saved. Israel that comes from the Jewish bloodline and Israel that comes from the Gentile bloodline.

And all who come from the bloodline of physical Israel will be saved at a time yet to come