Replacement/Supersessionism Theology,Why it Matters

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It has already been answered. Surely if someone passionately believes Gods laws be obeyed they would be gracious enough to accept it-no?
Oooh, so plan A was not perfect and God needed plan B. The perfect non-changing God needed plan B?

This makes perfect sense thank you for enlightening me. I will accept it because James57 said so... and if God ask me about it I will tell him James57 made me do it :)
 
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Rahab was Gentile as well as Ruth who I believe became part of the Commonwealth of Israel.
My point is that is not the position of the Church which constitutes ONE NEW MAN, neither Jew nor Gentile, the wall of partition was broken.
If Jews and gentiles are one new man, and that man is not Israel, then that sounds like replacement theology in which the Jews are no longer Israel.
 
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the fact there is a remnant proves God is still keeping his promise to Israel. For he has not let them die as a nation, but promised to never let them die.

what reason is there to be a remnant, if Gods dealing with the nation of Israel is done. Is there a remnant of any other nation on earth God promised things to?? why not??
 
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Was Paul saved because he was an Israelite or because he had faith in Jesus?

Gods promises to Israel were not salvic in nature So your question has no bearing on the topic at hand.

The topic is has the church replaced Isreal. or not..

No one was ever saved by being a child of Israel
 
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Oooh, so plan A was not perfect and God needed plan B. The perfect non-changing God needed plan B?

This makes perfect sense thank you for enlightening me. I will accept it because James57 said so... and if God ask me about it I will tell him James57 made me do it :)
2000 years ago the people who most stressed the law should be obeyed were those furthest away from obeying the heart of it/thw higher points of the law. I don't think anything has changed in that regard
 
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Well Id rather you walk away if you couldnt properly add to the thread. But it is not garbage. It is a heretical theology and a way satan uses to persecute the Jews. Every Christian should know the truth about it.
I look at it this way, If God will not keep his promises to the nation of Israel. Why should I have faith he will keep his promises to me? My faith would be shattered.. because it is about me and how well I perform.. And not about Jesus and the cross.
 
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Gods promises to Israel were not salvic in nature So your question has no bearing on the topic at hand.

The topic is has the church replaced Isreal. or not..

No one was ever saved by being a child of Israel
GOD's promise was that he would become their GOD. That is salvation.
 
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#90

Gods promises to Israel were not salvic in nature So your question has no bearing on the topic at hand.

The topic is has the church replaced Isreal. or not..

No one was ever saved by being a child of Israel
We do not agree on this topic but you are making sense. No one is saved by being a child of Israel but we are grafted into the tree after we are saved. We can argue this until the cows come home or accept God's word :)
 

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Im seeing many posts here lately that worry me. It seems some Christians here dont understand replacement theology,why it is heresy and why it is dangerous. They dont know the history of this theology and the harm done to the Jewish people. So I hope to discuss it here.

First a definition :Supersessionism, also called replacement theology or fulfillment theology, is a Christian theological view on the current status of the church in relation to the Jewish peopleand Judaism.It holds that the Christian Church has replaced the Israelites as God'schosen peopleand that the New Covenant has replaced or superseded the Mosaic covenant.


The Christian church did not 'replace' Israel. IT IS Israel. Jesus founded the Messianic congregation on Peter's statement concerning Him. Jesus initially 'built His congregation' among the Jews, and a large minority (the believing remnant that was the true Israel - Rom 11.1 ff)) of Jews turned to Him and became believers in the Messiah. So Judaism was divided into two parts. Believing Israel and unbelieving, rejected, cut off Jews. Which was the true Israel? Unquestionably the answer is, 'believing Israel. They were the true olive tree of Israel.

When Gentiles began to become part of that congregation as proselytes they BECAME ISRAEL (as had always happened). Thus the believers in the Messiah were the true Israel and the same is true today.

The nation of Israel may claim to be Israel but it is NOT Biblical Israel. It can become so by believing in Jesus as the Messiah and becoming members of the church. Until then it is NOT Israel (Rom 9.6). The true Israel is still being blessed by God and it is represented by those who truly belong to the Messiah.

To suggest that this teaching is responsible for Jewish persecution is illogical. They are not persecuted by true Christians.

Of course the Old Covenant has been replaced by the new. That was the purpose of the new covenant. The old was done away that the new might come (Heb 8.7, 13). Unbelieving Israel has no claims on God.

 
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All? Really? Or just many?

rom 11: [SUP]5 [/SUP]For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

[SUP]26 [/SUP]and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“This is [SUP][i][/SUP]My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”




Jacob is Israel. Not the church. This is where replacement theology stinks.
 
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2000 years ago the people who most stressed the law should be obeyed were those furthest away from obeying the heart of it/thw higher points of the law. I don't think anything has changed in that regard
You should become a South African politician because they also give answers without answering what was asked :)
 
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The promise God made to Abraham has not changed. You are not Israel,the promise to the chosen remains.
Kaylagirl do you believe Galatians 3:16? Where do you see fleshly Israel in that verse?

Gal_3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 
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You should become a South African politician because they also give answers without answering what was asked :)
And I think you need to mature a wee bit and humbly accept when your rather misguided point has been answered. After all, obedience to Gods laws would require such an attitude, wouldn't it?
 
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I assume you get that from Romans 11:26. Which Israel is Paul talking about, physical Israel or spiritual Israel (children of the promise... Isaac, Jacob, me, you)?

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Physical israel..

the same israel that he called our enemy concerning the gospel. but beloved because of the promises
 
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No, I believe all of spiritual Israel will be saved. Israel that comes from the Jewish bloodline and Israel that comes from the Gentile bloodline.
there is no isreal which comes from gentile bloodline, the only gentile blood would be abrahams.. through issac and jacobs, Non of the other of abrahams children were part of those promises.
 
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there is no isreal which comes from gentile bloodline, the only gentile blood would be abrahams.. through issac and jacobs, Non of the other of abrahams children were part of those promises.
Both Rahab and Ruth were gentiles and mothers of the messiah.
 
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Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

A remnant is a small number. Can you show me scripture that shows when the times of the Gentiles is complete?
read daniel.. The 4 beasts, who will rule over Jerusalem. and until the messiah comes and destroys their rule. and takes control himself
 
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And I think you need to mature a wee bit and humbly accept when your rather misguided point has been answered. After all, obedience to Gods laws would require such an attitude, wouldn't it?
The "plan B" generation of the last 2,000 years should be grateful for the "plan A" generation that did not make it. We are fortunate that God did change and we now have a chance... :)