DiscipleDave asked
Has the Rapture happened?
you are mixing up spiritual resurrection with bodily resurrection.
lol, you think i am the one doing this? Do you not think you are reigning with Jesus Christ RIGHT NOW? Do you not think you are sitting with Him in Heaven RIGHT NOW? YOU THINK, Spiritual resurrection, is being BORN AGAIN, NEW MAN, NEW CREATURE, NEW HEART. The Spirit that is in you, is still in you, it is NOT with Jesus, It is NOT in a Spiritual Heaven, it is NOT reigning with Jesus Christ right now. The Spirit that is in you, is still in you, and has not gone anywhere. UNLESS God takes your spirit out of your body (Hence what is Called being IN THE SPIRIT) There are so many flaws in what you believe i don't even know where to start. How can your spirit be in a Spiritual Heavenly realm without going through Judgement Day to determine if you are worthy enough to be in that Spiritual Heaven? Show me ONE verse in all of Scriptures that speak of a Spiritual Heaven? or Spiritually reigning with Christ, These are teachings that come from men and not from God. God does not teach a Spiritual Heaven, men teach that. Men have come up with all sorts of false doctrines, to get the children away from the Truth of God and His Word.
DiscipleDave asks
Have we sat in Heavenly places?
Lies. You are NOT seated there right now, physically or spiritually. What you say here is a lie. Your spirit did not leave your body and went to Heaven while you were typing that statement. Your spirit was within you, NOT in Heaven. Now through Christ we do sit in Heaven, because we are ONE with Christ. We sit in Heavenly place IN CHRIST. Know you not at all what that means. We ourselves do not sit in Heaven, but we sit in Heaven because Christ is there, and we are ONE with Him. i can speak to the Father in Heaven, not because i directly speak to Him, but because through Jesus who speaks with Him for me. We are told to pray to the Father, NOT because we are able to do that, but IN CHRIST we are able to do that because He shall speak to Him for us. We ourselves are not sitting in Heavenly places, but IN CHRIST we can, because Jesus is in Heaven right NOW. We are NOT, neither is our Spirit is in Heaven either. Know you not that flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven? It is our spirits that enter into Heaven, and those spirits will get Heavenly fleshly bodies (Glorified Bodies) that can't die, immortal. The spirit that is in you, is immortal, it can't die or be killed, that is why our spirits {After the Great White Throne Judgement Day} will either go to one of two places, With God or without God. There is no other.
I am seated there now and having to combat spiritual hosts of wickedness in heavenly places (Eph 6.12).
Combat Spiritual hosts of wickedness in Heavenly places, Heavenly places you say, what does the Word of God say?
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Do you not see what you do continually? You change Scriptures to fit your belief. The verse does not say Heavenly places, that is what you say, because that is what YOU believe, the verse teaches high places, which if you ever read the old testament, you would know what the high places are. They are places where people would worship false gods, on hills, mountains, HIGH PLACES and the such. You have altogether CHANGED that verse to fit into your OWN belief, changing "high places" to mean "Heavenly Places" You should not do this wicked thing, it only corrupts the Truth that you THINK you have. Instead change your belief to match Scriptures, DO NOT change Scriptures to match your belief. which is Exactly what you have done with this verse and other verses as well.
I am in the spiritual realm with Christ.
What Scripture teaches that? one verse would be sufficient.
I have been raised with Christ (Col 3.1)
You say you have been raised WITH Christ, the verse actually say we have been raised IN CHRIST. Big difference.
and can therefore seek spiritual things..
How can you seek spiritual things, when you do not believe what God has told me? and then you twist Scriptures to fit your own interpretations of what YOU THINK the Truth is.
The saints in Rev 20.4-5 were spiritually raised, they had not been physically raised. Only their SOULS were there. We too have been spiritually raised in the first resurrection (the resurrection of Christ and us) and await physical resurrection at the second resurrection.
Will you not hearken to the Truth when it is given unto you? Will you continue to believe the lies that you hold on too, even when the Truth is given to you.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (This has not yet happened, are you saying the Mark of the Beast has already happened?)
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Believe Scriptures, not what men teach.
DiscipleDave asks
You are so slack in your interpretation. Rev 5 says we are a kingdom, not a king. But yes I do reign with Christ.
Have i not been straight forward with you? What i tell you, are not my interpretations, i do not interpret the Word of God, as if i was worthy enough to interpret the Word of the Living God Himself. What i teach is from God, NOT from mine own interpretations, form my own studies, from my own intellect. What i teach is NOT from me, nor is it mine. What i teach is from God, what He has told me. i think i have been clear on this point. How evil would i be, if i took credit for something that did not come from me? What i tell you is NOT my interpretation, what i tell you is from God.
DiscipleDave asks
Very much so. See 1 Pet 2.5, 9. (you seem to be very ignorant?)
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
That is what the Word of God plainly teaches. What does valiant teach if she can change Scriptures.
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy
priest, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. (Please note this Holy Inspired by God verse has been CHANGED)
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal
priest, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: (Please note this Holy Inspired by God verse has been CHANGED)
We are NOT priests. Jesus Christ is our PRIEST, and since we are ONE with Him, we are then a part of that same priesthood, NOT priests our own self, like you teach.
Very much so. See 1 Pet 2.5, 9. (you seem to be very ignorant?)
You call me ignorant? Yet you do not even know what it is to be a priest. Without a Temple, there is no priests. Only when a Temple is present, are there any priests. There is not Temple on Earth, therefore no priests on Earth. Jesus is our Priest in Heaven, because there is a Temple in Heaven, that Temple will come down to the Earth in the New City Jerusalem with the Father, and the Son, and the Saints will inhabit it. And we will reign with Jesus over the entire World, the humans that will be living on the Earth. Jesus is our High Priest, and since we are His, and One with Him, we belong to that same priesthood, right now. But we do not become Kings and priests with Him, until He Returns to the Earth and takes us up with Him, then at that time, we will reign with Him, and then and only then do we become Kings, and Priests of God Himself.
DiscipleDave asks
Who do you reign over right now?
I reign with Christ (Who is ruler of the kings of the earth - Rev 1.5) over the whole earth.
You did not answer the question. If you say you reign with Christ right now, like you teach. my question is who do YOU (valiant) reign over? Will you sidestep the question, or answer it this time?
DiscipleDave asks
The whole earth is answerable to Christ and the saints,
This is True, are you saying you are NOW a SAINT? Because you say you reign with Christ right NOW, does that mean you are a SAINT right NOW? So tell me, is the whole Earth answerable to YOU, right now?
We live and reign with Christ.
You LIVE with CHRIST? Christ is in Heaven, you are on Earth, your Spirit that is in you, is also here on Earth, How then do you say you are living WITH Christ? We will live with Him, when He returns with the place that He is preparing for His Saints that will be raptured up with Him, It is ONLY then do with actually LIVE WITH JESUS.
Even angels will answer to me
(1 Cor 6.3)
True, this happens when we reign with Christ? And since you say you reign with Christ NOW, tell me do the Angels answer to you NOW?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
When do we judge Angels valiant? NOW? Or when we reign with Christ? When we do reign with Christ, that is when we shall judge Angels. Or will you now say, you do just Angels but only spiritually judge them? because you are Spiritually reigning with Jesus right NOW, you are Spiritually LIVING WITH Jesus right NOW, you are a Spiritual priest NOW, and you are now spiritually sitting next to Him in Heaven? All the while you are sitting there reading this, and your spirit is within you, and has gone nowhere at all?
Please do not think i am angry or the such, that is not what i am. i come across as rude of speech, it is not my intentions to come across that way. Instead of reading what i write as if i am angry, yelling, upset, instead read what i have said as if in a soft, calm tone. The worse things about message boards, is people have a tendency to read something said in the worse way it could have been read. What i teach is always in love, and kindness. i never say things to hurt or to offend anyone at all, but i teach the Truth, in hopes that you will turn from false doctrines to the Truth of Scriptures, not the Truth of me, but the Truth of God and what His Word says and teaches. i love you valiant, i really do, why else would i spend so much time talking with you? It is my hope that you will believe God and change what you believe to match with what Scriptures teach. and not you only, but all. i would that all would believe the things God told me, because they are TRUTH.
^i^ responding to post 1483