Did God promise to give Abraham....
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Stranger36147
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Thanks for your response Stranger. What do you think about Romans 4?
Romans 4:13 KJV
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
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Stranger36147
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I'm not really sure how to interpret that passage. I'm sure the descendants of Abraham are suppose to be both influential and a blessing to the whole world.
It sounds like it's the same as the one in the Old Testament, only Romans elaborates a little more on what the actual Old Testament writting gave.
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kaylagrl
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Yes they are. KJV is trying to start another thread that espouses his theology that the church has replaced Israel and God will not keep His promises to the Jews. Dont get drawn into this discussion. Its a trap. Replacement/Fulfillment Theology is false doctrine.
Thanks for aswering for me but the thread isn't about the church replacing Israel... It's discussing whether the promise to Abraham was the Nation of Israel or the entire world. What is your opinion?
It's a good question. Obviously, the Genesis promises were only the land of Canaan. However, Paul's expansion of that to include the whole world reveals the messianic nature of the promise. Abraham knew he could only receive the land from the messiah at the resurrection, but it was also revealed to him that the messiah's dominion and blessing would incorporate the whole world. I love how Paul was able to go beyond the letter of what was written to communicate through the spirit the scope of the promise, ie, restoration of the whole world.
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kaylagrl
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Quote "Thanks for aswering for me "
You're quite welcome,apparently thats what we do in discussion forums. So Ive been told...
Quote "It's discussing whether the promise to Abraham was the Nation of Israel or the entire world. What is your opinion?"
Well if some else would like to answer for me....? No? Ok,I say they are to Abraham now Im going to sit back and see where this one goes.
ps. Half joking while trying to make a point. No smilely face available for point making. So
Do you think there were two land promises to Abraham, one being the land of Canaan and the other the whole world through Christ?
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shotgunner
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The promises to Abraham were to him and his seed, not seeds, but seed and that seed is Christ. If you be Christ's then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.
It was the whole world. An heir of God and joint heir with Christ.
It was the whole world. An heir of God and joint heir with Christ.
I agree and I dont think the Genesis promise was limitied to how far Abraham could see.
Amen! Makes me think of this scripture...
Now all glory to God, who is able, through his mighty power at work within us, to accomplish infinitely more than we might ask or think.Ephesians 3:20 NLT
What was said, the promise, was enough for Abraham to comprehend but what God meant..was probably way too much for Abraham to grasp. The revelation, the full understanding of that promise was revealed to the ones who were fulfilling it (I.e. us and everyone in Christ before us)
That's how I see it anyway..
So when God promises, expect big lol
Yep and if you think about it, God made the promise to Abraham ONLY because Abraham believed God.... Abraham was the father of faith and apparently the first child of faith also.
recap of God’s Promises to Abrahams seed, or physical descendants ¦Genesis 12:1-2 | God promises Abraham that his descendants will become a great nation. ¦Genesis 17:1-6 | God promises Abraham will be a father of many nations, not just one. ¦Genesis 22:16-18|the birthright nations will possess the gates (access points) of their enemies. ¦Genesis 26:3-5 | God promises the birthright nations will multiply as the stars of heaven. ¦Genesis 27:26-29 | the birthright nations will become wealthy and rule over other nations. ¦Genesis 28:13-14 | the birthright nations will spread worldwide. ¦Genesis 35:11 | the birthright nations will become “a nation and a company of nations.” Genesis 48, Abraham’s grandson Jacob—whom God renamed Israel— specifically assigned his name to Ephraim and Manasseh, saying that one of these descendants would become a “great” people, and that the other would become a “multitude of nations” .
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recap of God’s Promises to Abrahams seed, or physical descendants
¦Genesis 12:1-2 | God promises Abraham that his descendants will become a great nation.
¦Genesis 17:1-6 | God promises Abraham will be a father of many nations, not just one.
¦Genesis 22:16-18|the birthright nations will possess the gates (access points) of their enemies.
¦Genesis 26:3-5 | God promises the birthright nations will multiply as the stars of heaven.
¦Genesis 27:26-29 | the birthright nations will become wealthy and rule over other nations.
¦Genesis 28:13-14 | the birthright nations will spread worldwide.
¦Genesis 35:11 | the birthright nations will become “a nation and a company of nations.”
Genesis 48, Abraham’s grandson Jacob—whom God renamed Israel— specifically assigned
his name to Ephraim and Manasseh, saying that one of these descendants would become
a “great” people, and that the other would become a “multitude of nations” .
¦Genesis 12:1-2 | God promises Abraham that his descendants will become a great nation.
¦Genesis 17:1-6 | God promises Abraham will be a father of many nations, not just one.
¦Genesis 22:16-18|the birthright nations will possess the gates (access points) of their enemies.
¦Genesis 26:3-5 | God promises the birthright nations will multiply as the stars of heaven.
¦Genesis 27:26-29 | the birthright nations will become wealthy and rule over other nations.
¦Genesis 28:13-14 | the birthright nations will spread worldwide.
¦Genesis 35:11 | the birthright nations will become “a nation and a company of nations.”
Genesis 48, Abraham’s grandson Jacob—whom God renamed Israel— specifically assigned
his name to Ephraim and Manasseh, saying that one of these descendants would become
a “great” people, and that the other would become a “multitude of nations” .
IMO Abraham was chosen to be the continuation of the faith, and he learned THE faith, ie, the coming of the promised redeemer, from Noah and/or Shem.