Is the Devil bound right now...?

[DP]

The prince of this world is not Satan, but exactly who it says it is a prince of this world. Satan works through this world's princes by means of his minions for he himself was bound by Jesus whilst Jesus was ministering on earth (Matt 12.28-29).Satan is not, and never has been, the prince of this world. He only claimed to be. But he is a liar.

The angel was able to incarcerate Satan because he had already been bound by the authority of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It occurred during Jesus' ministry (Matt 12.28-29)

It is all quite simple really for those who actually believe Scripture..

That interpretation is actually kind of funny. So it's YOU here that's actually the JW saying an angel incarcerated Satan.

 

[DP]

[/COLOR]And...?

And nothing else, the "prince of this world" is the devil himself, and he is coming according to Jesus there, which proves what? It proves the devil is NOT YET BOUND today.

Rev 1 informs the reader that the material to follow is PAST.....PRESENT...and FUTURE.

AND?

 

[DP]

No and No.

John never once states that Michael 'will cast out' Satan from Heaven.

You are attempting to diminish God The Son's power by giving it to one of His creations....all to help fit with your worldview.

Shameless ignorant.



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Ah... so you found yourself a real JW???

I guess your false assumption that I was backfired on you.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I'm not a JW. I do NOT... believe our Lord Jesus is the Archangel Michael (as if that has anything to do with my explanation of the Scriptures I posted anyway, since it does not).

As you here have agreed, the Archangel Michael is who has war with Satan in Heaven which causes Satan to be cast down to this earth per Rev.12:7 forward. That does NOT proclaim Michael as actually doing the casting out, but only that Michael leads in that war. The first phrase of the Daniel 12:1 Scripture is showing the same timing involving Michael.

So... Bowman's claim that I ever said Michael is who casts Satan out of Heaven per Rev.12 is just his OWN false assumption (and YOUR'S TOO NOW). You won't find that I said Michael does that in my posts above.

I'm not a JW. I do NOT... believe our Lord Jesus is the Archangel Michael (as if that has anything to do with my explanation of the Scriptures I posted anyway, since it does not).

Sorry, for the confusion, I was not implying or agreeing that you were a JW. Also I was not saying that you believed that the angel was Michael that that was coming down out of heaven, as it is never directed to you, but it was aimed at Bowman who believes that the angel is Jesus and I added the fact that it is also not Michael either. If you will notice, I never mention you directly as saying that, but just as general information.

 

[DP]

Who didn't know that Apostle Paul referred to the devil as a 'prince'?

Eph 2:2
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
KJV

Wow! Did you catch how Paul even defined that prince as a "spirit" there? This is so... easy.

Daniel 10 refers to the devil as a prince also...

Dan 10:13
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
KJV

That part of Dan.10 is about an angel speaking to Daniel of events coming to pass, and events to come. It's a heavenly order view of things going on upon the earth. No flesh prince can withstand an angel, so who would that make that "prince of the kingdom of Persia" there? It's a symbolic name for Satan in that role.

Dan 10:20-21
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
KJV

 

[Ahwatukee]

And nothing else, the "prince of this world" is the devil himself, and he is coming according to Jesus there, which proves what? It proves the devil is NOT YET BOUND today.

In addition to what you said above, there is this also:

"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

 

[DP]

Sorry, for the confusion, I was not implying or agreeing that you were a JW. Also I was not saying that you believed that the angel was Michael that that was coming down out of heaven, as it is never directed to you, but it was aimed at Bowman who believes that the angel is Jesus and I added the fact that it is also not Michael either. If you will notice, I never mention you directly as saying that, but just as general information.

No worries.

 

[DP]

In addition to what you said above, there is this also:

"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

Yes, and Luke 4 shows that also, since the devil has been given the kingdoms of this world and he offered them to Jesus if He would worship him.

Rev.11 also shows us when all the kingdoms of this world become those of The Father and His Son.

 

[Bowman]

And nothing else, the "prince of this world" is the devil himself, and he is coming according to Jesus there, which proves what? It proves the devil is NOT YET BOUND today.





AND?

The Greek verb in question is 'echetai' and is in the present-tense.

This is NOT talking about some future event; but one that occurred 2K years ago.

Study.

Up.

 

[valiant]

In addition to what you said above, there is this also:

"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

That is a paraphrase not a translation. It literally says 'the whole world lies in the Evil One'. They are not under his control. They simply snuggle up to him.

 

[valiant]

Who didn't know that Apostle Paul referred to the devil as a 'prince'?

Eph 2:2
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
KJV

Wow! Did you catch how Paul even defined that prince as a "spirit" there? This is so... easy.

Daniel 10 refers to the devil as a prince also...

Dan 10:13
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
KJV

That part of Dan.10 is about an angel speaking to Daniel of events coming to pass, and events to come. It's a heavenly order view of things going on upon the earth. No flesh prince can withstand an angel, so who would that make that "prince of the kingdom of Persia" there? It's a symbolic name for Satan in that role.

Dan 10:20-21
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
KJV

he is the prince of the power of the air (see Eph 6.10 ff). he is NOT the prince of this world. He lied to Jesus about what he could do.

 

[Bowman]

In chapter 12, John also identifies Michael the archangel as casting Satan and his angels out of heaven, which is still future.

The Word of Yahweh (i.e. The Son) states, in the first-person singular, that He cast Satan out of Heaven in Ezekiel 28.

You should listen to Jesus...instead of attempting to steal His divinity from Him.

 

[Bowman]

Scripture continues to own those who fail to study it.

I really can't believe some of the utter nonsense that many here attempt to promote as they proceed to diminish Jesus' deity and apply it to mere creations, and then give power to Satan, which he does not have!

You people are are seriously jacked-up...

 

[DP]

he is the prince of the power of the air (see Eph 6.10 ff). he is NOT the prince of this world. He lied to Jesus about what he could do.

The devil is a spirit, he has no flesh body. The Book of Job revealed him going to and fro in the earth, walking up and down in it.

Job 1:7
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it
KJV

Apostle Peter said this AFTER Christ's crucifixion and resurrection;

1 Peter 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
KJV

More...

James 4:7
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
KJV




James well knew the devil was still about working deception in this world by that description.

Even with this Apostle Paul showed the devil still at work in this world...

2 Cor 2:10-11
10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
KJV



But your doctrine says the devil is already bound and is cast out of the world. God's Word does not show that, but instead just the opposite of your doctrine. So who is it that really needs more Bible study?

 

[Ahwatukee]

The devil is a spirit, he has no flesh body. The Book of Job revealed him going to and fro in the earth, walking up and down in it.

Job 1:7
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it
KJV

Apostle Peter said this AFTER Christ's crucifixion and resurrection;

1 Peter 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
KJV

More...

James 4:7
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
KJV




James well knew the devil was still about working deception in this world by that description.

Even with this Apostle Paul showed the devil still at work in this world...

2 Cor 2:10-11
10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
KJV



But your doctrine says the devil is already bound and is cast out of the world. God's Word does not show that, but instead just the opposite of your doctrine. So who is it that really needs more Bible study?

And .....

"We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them. We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. (1 John 5:19)

 

[valiant]

And .....

"We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them. We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. (1 John 5:19)

LOL you do all love making Satan top dog. No wonder you lack spiritual power. You must cower under you duvets at night. And you do it by distorting Scripture.

JESUS said that He had bound Satan (Matt 12.28-29). I will believe Him rather than a lot of American cranks. But then you do love sensationalism.

When Satan walks about devouring people he does it through MEN whom he through his minions misleads. If Satan was unrestricted he would wreak far more devastation on the earth than we know at present.

The whole world lies in the evil one because it is asleep and duped by his minions. But it does not obey him.

And if you believe Satan when he claims to have control of the world you are equally duped.

 

[Ariel82]

God is in control of the Earth. He sets up and destroys the Nation.

Satan lied and offered Jesus the kingdoms, he did not have the power. Only God does.

Satan has the body of a legless serpent or dragon. Just read genesis or revelation.

Angels eat manna. Just because they are spirits does not mean they are bodiless.

For God gives each star it's own individual body.

 

[Ariel82]

1 John 5 v. 19 in the new king James version reads that the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

 

[Ariel82]

King James says....we know we are of God and the whole world lies in wickedness

Which is a very different message

 

[popeye]

God is in control of the Earth. He sets up and destroys the Nation.

Satan lied and offered Jesus the kingdoms, he did not have the power. Only God does.

Satan has the body of a legless serpent or dragon. Just read genesis or revelation.

Angels eat manna. Just because they are spirits does not mean they are bodiless.

For God gives each star it's own individual body.

Then Jesus was not tempted by Satan .
The word says he was.
Therefore you imply Jesus participated in a scam.