Christians are not required to keep the law.

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The bible is very clear that the Commandments of God were given to the Hebrews, and not christians. I believe if you look in Exodus, or Leviticus. I don't really get the point of heated discussions involving the law, if Christians aren't even meant to keep the law to gain salvation in the first place?
 
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That is because legalists teach that we are saved by works rather than faith
Though I don't see where they got that idea
 

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love does more good than what is required of it.

 
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The bible is very clear that the Commandments of God were given to the Hebrews, and not christians. I believe if you look in Exodus, or Leviticus. I don't really get the point of heated discussions involving the law, if Christians aren't even meant to keep the law to gain salvation in the first place?
The law doesn't save you, nor does obedience to it give you right standing with God to attain heaven, however, there is law that remains. Thou shalt not steal, kill, lie covet etc.
But this law got transferred onto the heart of the christian and because it did, their sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more.
The heart of the law remains, but Jesus died to remove the penalty of failure to perfectly keep it for those who have had the law transferred onto their hearts(they have been born again)
 
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The law was given to show us what sin is and how far we have fallen from the
perfection God intended.

It was also given to show sin demands a penalty, a payment hence all those
sacrifices in the OT.

Jesus who knew no sin became sin for us and took the stain and penalty of sin
upon himself. That is why there is only one way, via Jesus and no other.

If we don't accept Jesus then we have to pay for our own sin which leads to death.
That includes trying to save ourselves via works.

If we do accept the salvation of Jesus, that however does not give us a free licence to
do as we want. If any Christian says I accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour but deliberately
keeps doing what is wrong then this could mean:

1) They did not mean it and have no relationship with Jesus and are not really saved.
Thinking about the parable of the sower and the seed.

2) They are immature in the faith and have a conscious about what they are doing and really
do want to do what is right but can't seem to get it right. God will deal with them if this is the
case and the matter is between them and God.

3) Some people have long standing mind sets which need to be overcome. God will help them
to overcome, even if it takes a life time. I know a lovely young woman who is filled with the
Holy Spirit and has a real gifting for prayer although I'm not sure she knows it yet!
She comes from a background of drugs and prostitution. Yet when things become hard
(and believe me they have been very hard for her) she sometimes turns back to drugs and
prostitution to support herself. She is keenly aware of her failings and it hurts her and depresses
her as she so much wants to be used by God and seek what God wants for her life.
She has recently taken the decision to go to a teen challenge rehab centre. I just know
God has an amazing plan for her life, she is a real person, no airs and graces, despite her
own problems she is the one who will stop and speak to the homeless, who will give money
to her former prostitute friends rather than see them on the streets. Not many prim and proper
christians will do that. You can see the battle within her, she will overcome.

4) Even good humble Christians who love God get things wrong from time to time.

We are daily being renewed, it's a life time process. That is why we need to cling to Jesus, He
is our anchor.

I would say that in any true Christian, saved by grace they develop a keen conscious of what is
right and wrong. Our job is to accept the saving grace and keep short accounts with God. Not
because we are saved by works, but because we long to have a close walk with God and any
wrong doing gets in the ways of that. It's all a matter of the heart.
 
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The bible is very clear that the Commandments of God were given to the Hebrews, and not christians. I believe if you look in Exodus, or Leviticus. I don't really get the point of heated discussions involving the law, if Christians aren't even meant to keep the law to gain salvation in the first place?
IMO they are saying that GOD doesn't change and since he spoke In the old and new covenant that we should try and be obedient to the law that GOD who doesn't change spoke In the old covenant and also be obediant to the new covenant because GOD that doesn't change spoke In the new covenant also.

If I'm wrong about that then I hope one of the pro law keepers can explain It more clearly.

I better add before my edit time Is out that I believe Its grace through faith and I'm not under law.
 
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gb9

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just wait till the legalist crew wakes up and sees the title of this thread........
 
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No one can follow the law. The Hebrews (who the law was given to) could not follow the law, The only person who was able to do it was Christ.

So this is a mute matter. Anyone who tells you you should follow it is telling you to do an impossible thing.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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just wait till the legalist crew wakes up and sees the title of this thread........
I agree, just feeds their flame.
 
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The Law reveals sin. Like another poster said, the Jews couldn't follow the law. This doesn't mean we don't need the law to reveal what sin is to us. It can be also used in Evangelism along with teaching Grace and Faith. Sinners need to know what they are doing wrong before they can understand what they need to do to fix the problem.
 
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Good responses, Yeah Christians weren't given the law, because they were never under the law. Even though people in the old testament actually did keep the law just as Christ did, because the sabbath day predates the laws of God, and the sabbath was followed since the beginning.
 
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Good responses, Yeah Christians weren't given the law, because they were never under the law. Even though people in the old testament actually did keep the law just as Christ did, because the sabbath day predates the laws of God, and the sabbath was followed since the beginning.

So people in the OT were perfect?
 

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The law doesn't save you, nor does obedience to it give you right standing with God to attain heaven, however, there is law that remains. Thou shalt not steal, kill, lie covet etc.
But this law got transferred onto the heart of the christian and because it did, their sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more.
The heart of the law remains, but Jesus died to remove the penalty of failure to perfectly keep it for those who have had the law transferred onto their hearts(they have been born again)
The law is written in the heart in the sense that we now have His nature through the new birth, which is a reflection of His (moral) law.
 
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The law is written in the heart in the sense that we now have His nature through the new birth, which is a reflection of His (moral) law.
In other words it's not a check list written on our hearts.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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In other words it's not a check list written on our hearts.

I think it is love, (gods love not our interpretation of love, which is not love at all)

Since we have Gods ultimate love in us (experienced by the cross) we know anything that falls hsort of this love is a sin.. so in a sense, we have Gods law written.. we can not be like him, where before, all we could do is serve self. even when attempting to serve others.
 

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I think it is love, (gods love not our interpretation of love, which is not love at all)

Since we have Gods ultimate love in us (experienced by the cross) we know anything that falls hsort of this love is a sin.. so in a sense, we have Gods law written.. we can not be like him, where before, all we could do is serve self. even when attempting to serve others.
Definitely His nature is love but there are other aspects as well, patience, longsuffering, peace etc.:)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Definitely His nature is love but there are other aspects as well, patience, longsuffering, peace etc.:)
Yes,,

All based on love, we have those because we TRUST God..


so we can not forget faith ;)
 
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..... they were never under the law. .
So why did you accept Christ if you were never under the law? What do you think He came to save you from, a bad hair day?
 
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People in the old testament, some did actually live out the law, like we see Noah for example or Enoch, they lived accordingly, that is why they were saved.
 
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Thats the thing, when were Christians under the laws of the old testament, they were given to isarel, and not Christians to begin with, Roberth you should have scriptural reference that at least shows Gentiles lived under a law that wasn't ever given to them.