Hyper grace

Grace777x70 · Dec 1, 2015

I for one repent constantly as I am always changing my mind when the Holy Spirit reveals Jesus to me. I am in a constant phase of having my mind renewed! I love it! It brings life and peace and joy.

If I sin towards a person I definitely ask them for forgiveness. It's a healthy thing!

If I sin I confess to the Lord that Jesus' blood washed all my sins away! I thank Him that I am still the righteousness of God in Christ. I acknowledge that my behavior was wrong and it is not the real person that I am in Christ.

I then accept the no condemnation that is ours in Christ and choose to walk in the Spirit again. All sin is a failure to recognize the life of Christ in us and to live not fully dependent on Christ.

Just some quick thoughts on the subject.

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Grace777x70 · Dec 1, 2015

I have never heard of this "enlightened state " before.. so sorry...can't answer that.

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crossnote · Dec 1, 2015

Grace777x70 said:

So when you, let's say swear at the Lord in anger, you simply tell the Lord that his blood washed away your sins without specifically laying out your sin? You seem to keep bypassing this point. It seems odd to me, to sin, then come under conviction for that specific sin and then just turn to the Lord and confess His blood atoned for sin (in general) without naming the sin.

james57 · Dec 1, 2015

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven 1cor15:50

Feel free to call me a law cultist, I have one judge, and be isn't a member of this website!

Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord 2cor5:6

But if Christ is in you your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness rom8:10

Grace777x70 · Dec 1, 2015

I did say that it is impossible for a Christian to truly hate someone from their inner man. I explained what I meant by that awhile back in the thread. I maintain I John 3:9 and 1 John 5:18 says that it is impossible for the one born of God to sin. this is talking about our inner man or hidden man of the heart .

I can "say" I hate my brother but it isn't true in my inner man where Christ lives - where I am 100 % righteous and holy because of what Jesus did in His finished work.

You don't have to believe it. You can choose to believe whatever you want.

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

Ok now I will say again - I am against sin! ..sin is bad..sin will kill you and destroy your life. I wanted to make that perfectly clear again! ( you know how people that believe in hyper-grace say you can do whatever you want now - this is just pure garbage talk )

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HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 1, 2015

crossnote said:

Ah c'mon CN. It just takes a little realigning of your thinking and a little ... er, a lot ... no, I mean a HYPER grace magic to deliver you from the traditions you've been taught (snicker).

[video=youtube;zJ6VT7ciR1o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6VT7ciR1o[/video]

james57 · Dec 1, 2015

crossnote said:

Hmmmmm

Dont you know that when you offer yourselves to someone you are slaves to the one whom you obey-whether you are SLAVES OF SIN WHICH LEADS TO DEATH, or to obedience which leads to righteousness rom 6:16

We know that the law is spiritual, but I am unspiritual, SOLD AS A SLAVE TO SIN.... Rom 7:14

james57 · Dec 1, 2015

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Only the holy spirit can free you from the wrong traditions you have been taught

HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 1, 2015

Grace777x70 said:

The verses you refer to pertain to people in corrupted bodies who have been born anew in their spirits from above. Your interpretation that these verses pertain only to their inner man is not of the spirit of GOD. Also, 1 John 5:18 simply says that those born of GOD aren't sinning, not that it is impossible for them to sin. In other words, they are not practicing sin, which is what 1 John 3:9 also refers to.

This is a good example how erroneous doctrines are developed on the basis of one or two misinterpreted verses.

james57 · Dec 1, 2015

Charles spurgeon believed I john 3:9 relates to the new nature, that nature cannot sin, but the flesh can and does sin.

That was his view

Grace777x70 · Dec 1, 2015

I admit to Him and myself that the behavior/sin is wrong and hurtful and it is not who I am in Christ. Sometimes it's hard to put a label on it.

Let's take an example.... Let's say I berate someone because they believe differently then what I do..I'm not sure what the actual name of that sin is ( maybe enmities?..whatever it's called it's a work of the flesh )..I know within myself that it was wrong and I was not walking in love..I would just say to the Lord...that was wrong!..evil..sinful whatever you want to call it. Thank you for the forgiveness of sins that is in Christ for me!

I believe we are already forgiven in Christ for all sins past. present and future. This drives people nuts because they will say - you are using grace as a licence to sin. When I hear that being said it speaks volumes to me that they don't understand the gospel of grace yet.

It takes faith to say you are the righteousness of God in the face of just sinning. Receiving the grace of God allows us to walk in freedom FROM sin.

1 John 1:9 is not the bar of soap for the Christian. Jesus's Blood has already washed our sins and continues to wash our sins because we are in the Light. We are Light in the Lord.

1 John 1:9 was speaking to the gnostics who say " They have no sin". there is now place in the New Covenant where it say the believer has to ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven.

Forgiveness of sins is a done deal for the New testament believer. There are so many scriptures that speak about this. The only scripture for the continuous confession of sin in the New Covenant is in 1 John 1:9 and as outlined above..it is for the gnostic to confess that they do have sin and need to be cleansed.

I realize this drives people nuts and believe me it did me too as it was a sacred cow to me with my religious upbringing until I studied it out asking the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me. I said this is heresy when I first heard of it!

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HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 1, 2015

Grace777x70 said:

I for one repent constantly as I am always changing my mind when the Holy Spirit reveals Jesus to me. I am in a constant phase of having my mind renewed! I love it! It brings life and peace and joy.

If I sin towards a person I definitely ask them for forgiveness. It's a healthy thing!

If I sin I confess to the Lord that Jesus' blood washed all my sins away! I thank Him that I am still the righteousness of God in Christ. I acknowledge that my behavior was wrong and it is not the real person that I am in Christ.

I then accept the no condemnation that is ours in Christ and choose to walk in the Spirit again. All sin is a failure to recognize the life of Christ in us and to live not fully dependent on Christ.

Just some quick thoughts on the subject.

This is basically no different than what I believe, with the exception of acknowledging that his blood washes away my sin. His blood is on the mercy seat right here right now, yano.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 1, 2015

james57 said:

That's true, but we will receive new bodies.

btw, you IMO are definitely NOT a law cultist. I just don't understand your need to always talk about the law. The law is light, but Christ is the true light and law.

Stephen63 · Dec 1, 2015

1 Corinthians 9:25-27 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; [SUP]27 [/SUP]but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

Self control? You mean for christian living? To receive a crown that others say we can never lose?

Discipline my body? Force my flesh into literal slavery? I can be disqualified in the race if I don't? Oh, this passage must be symbolic, 'cuz it can't mean that I'll lose my salvation. I have a 100% guarantee 'cuz I made a decision to accept Jesus as my savior without confession & repentance.

That might sound like a stretch, but that's what this doctrine boils down to.

BTW, have ya ever notice that cults use the same words we do & claim to believe the same things we do, but really don't?

james57 · Dec 1, 2015

Forgiveness of sin is indeed a done deal for the truly born again believer. Otherwise the law can condemn them.

When the christian follows after the flesh rather than the spirit, they will have no rest, no peace until they cone before their father in heaven and asks his forgiveness, much like a child would a loving parent.
As a chikds place in the family is not threatened until they seek a loving parents forgiveness, neither is a christians place in the family of God threatened until they seek forgiveness. And they will surely seek it if they have been born again

Grace777x70 · Dec 1, 2015

Jesus Himself said - we can make the Word of God of no effect because of the traditions of men

Colossians 2:8 (KJV)
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

..and not after Christ! he did it all for us. let's believe Him Let's have faith in His finished work. Let's let His Blood speak of better things!

james57 said:

Grace777x70 · Dec 1, 2015

I understand what you are saying. His Blood will speak of better things for all time!

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

james57 · Dec 1, 2015

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

I talk about the law in relation to the core terms of the new covenant
The law itself is not, nor ever was the problem. The problem was the penalty attached to it for breaking it. Without that penalty the law cannot condemn you.
There is nothing wrong at all with thou shalt not kill, steal, lie, commit adultery etc. The law itself is holy, righteous and good. And without the attached penalty the christian has nothing to fear from the law for it is no longer the ministration of death

And when we follow after the holy spirit we never need consider the law on our hearts, for the holy spirit will not lead us into conflict with it
However, when you follow after the flesh, your heart will be troubled for you are going against what has been placed on your heart

HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 1, 2015

Grace777x70 said:

No, it speaks to every man. Denial of sin keeps one from the presence of GOD. Acknowledgment of sin is the doorway into the sheepfold. Sacrifices were confessed over and slain at the doorway to the tabernacle/temple. There is no other way into the sheepfold. The spirit is truth. If we say we have no sin, we are not speaking the truth, and therefore not in the spirit that brings us into GOD's presence. He that has ears, let him hear.

AboundingGrace · Dec 1, 2015

If the OP'r and everyone who posts a video would be so kind as to include the link url so that those like me who only see a black box.. could at least click to where you got the video and view it there.

Thank you.

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