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GandalfTheWhite

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Ahwatukee said:
Good evening Blain!

All of those things mentioned, feast days, holy days, Sabbaths and any personal works, only becomes problem when they are viewed as a requirement for salvation along side the shed blood of Christ. When a person does this, they are basically saying that Christ's sacrifice was insufficient. Otherwise, since Christ alone (without our works) purchased mankind for God with his own blood, then we should be looking to him as the One who alone provided salvation for us completely, fully. Those who believe in him are "credited" with righteousness. It is a free gift and cannot be earned, which is what people are doing, whether they realize it or not, when they bring in their own efforts as requirements along side Christ's sacrifice.

"Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness." (NIV)

"When people work, their wages are not a gift, but something they have earned. But people are counted as righteous, not because of their work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners." (NLT)
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Good reply... :)
 
tanakh

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JFSurvivor said:
Here's the general gist of it:

Jesus said to follow my example. Yes he was loving and he did wonderful things but a lot of times we don't see that he kept the Jewish festivals. The Jewish festivals and Ten Commandments are called "a lasting ordinance". So basically they are really important. Also Passover is really important. There is more stuff but I am not equipped to explain that yet. I want to get more info on what it looks like to share the word and talk about Jesus first. :) So that's what I have so far.

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The Jewish Festivals are of vital importance if one wants a clear understanding of Jesus' life and ministry because they forshadow it. Christians can participate in the festivals because of this. They were given to Israel as signs looking towards the Messiah. The Passover, Firstfruits Trumpets and Pentecost anticipated his first coming. Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur and Tabernacles anticipate his second coming. Under the New Covenant there is no compulsion for none Jews to participate but I believe that those who do will be blessed by it.
 
JFSurvivor

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Abing said:
Hello JF! First of all, I'd like to say that it's very encouraging to hear your zeal for Jesus. This generation needs more of that. I'd like to know, are you a new Christian discovering this new found love for the first time? Or have you been a Christian for a long time and have rededicated and now rediscovering more of Jesus? I ask this in relation to the event where you met the girl that told you everything in Christianity is wrong. If I can describe my perception of Christianity, and I'm sorry for being cliche, it's seeking Jesus. We can dissect that and learn that so many truths in our core morality goes back to Jesus. After all, in Him all things were created. :) I honestly want to hear more of what you've learned, either via PM or this thread. Either way works for me. Discovering Jesus at a young age, is a gift that most Christians wish to have had. You are blessed. :)
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I have been a Christian for a long LONG time and when I heard what these people had to say they basically turned Christianity on its head and I was like o_O and then I was like :-D
 
Willie-T

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JFSurvivor said:
I have been a Christian for a long LONG time and when I heard what these people had to say they basically turned Christianity on its head and I was like o_O and then I was like :-D
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Yes, even at 70, I have learned that there really was a very good reason that God sent us teachers. It's a fool who thinks they already know it all......... OR that everything they were (or are) taught is all there is to "The Truth."
 
GandalfTheWhite

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Willie-T said:
Yes, even at 70, I have learned that there really was a very good reason that God sent us teachers. It's a fool who thinks they already know it all......... OR that everything they were (or are) taught is all there is to "The Truth."
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You touch on a very important point, we all need good mentors but we have to find out from God first hand and that goes along with studying the Bible
 
Willie-T

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tanakh said:
The Jewish Festivals are of vital importance if one wants a clear understanding of Jesus' life and ministry because they forshadow it. Christians can participate in the festivals because of this. They were given to Israel as signs looking towards the Messiah. The Passover, Firstfruits Trumpets and Pentecost anticipated his first coming. Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur and Tabernacles anticipate his second coming. Under the New Covenant there is no compulsion for none Jews to participate but I believe that those who do will be blessed by it.
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So very true. A whole world of understanding came into my life when I attended my first Passover Seder about 15 years ago.
 
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JFSurvivor said:
Here's the general gist of it:

Jesus said to follow my example. Yes he was loving and he did wonderful things but a lot of times we don't see that he kept the Jewish festivals. The Jewish festivals and Ten Commandments are called "a lasting ordinance". So basically they are really important. Also Passover is really important. There is more stuff but I am not equipped to explain that yet. I want to get more info on what it looks like to share the word and talk about Jesus first. :) So that's what I have so far.

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My thought is that your friend has missed the Cross entirely....through which Christ has brought into being a New Covenant, not at all like that old one.
 
GandalfTheWhite

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FreeNChrist said:
My thought is that your friend has missed the Cross entirely....through which Christ has brought into being a New Covenant, not at all like that old one.
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My friend, the cross was foretold in the Old Testament so no these people will not always miss the cross (unless they become Jewish or follow Kabala).
 
Willie-T

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I like what the Lebanese poet, Khalil Gibran, wrote in The Prophet., when speaking about revelatory discoveries.:
"Say not, 'I have found THE truth', but rather, 'I have found A truth.' "
 
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FreeNChrist

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GandalfTheWhite said:
My friend, the cross was foretold in the Old Testament so no these people will not always miss the cross (unless they become Jewish or follow Kabala).
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The cross that was foretold, and the One who was foretold to die on it, has come. And He instituted through it the New Covenant that was also foretold.
 
crossnote

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Willie-T said:
I like what the Lebanese poet, Khalil Gibran, wrote in The Prophet., when speaking about revelatory discoveries.:
"Say not, 'I have found THE truth', but rather, 'I have found A truth.' "
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Whaaa? Willie, I hope you find Jesus...Thee Truth.

...we used to read that book when stoned out of our minds.
 
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Willie-T

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FreeNChrist said:
My thought is that your friend has missed the Cross entirely....through which Christ has brought into being a New Covenant, not at all like that old one.
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Understanding the Orthodoxy of "The Cross" and what it brought to mankind, is a little short of actualizing the Orthopraxy of relating to others through Jesus in our hearts.
 
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I'd warn JF about the Hebrew Roots Movement but that would only push her further into it.
 
crossnote

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Willie-T said:
I like what the Lebanese poet, Khalil Gibran, wrote in The Prophet., when speaking about revelatory discoveries.:
"Say not, 'I have found THE truth', but rather, 'I have found A truth.' "
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You always seem to be in such a hurry, CN. Go back and read my WHOLE post.
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I did...it's terrible advice.
 
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Willie-T said:
Understanding the Orthodoxy of "The Cross" and what it brought to mankind, is a little short of actualizing the Orthopraxy of relating to others through Jesus in our hearts
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Understanding the reality of the Cross and the total theological significance of it...the "finished work" of Jesus Christ is vital to "actualizing" that the old has gone and the New has come. So as to not get caught up in the things the OP is falling prey to.
 
Willie-T

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crossnote said:
I did...it's terrible advice.
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One day, perhaps, you may learn to actually read what has been written, rather than what you want to see in order to blurt out something you think makes you sound righteous. (Perhaps)
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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Willie-T said:
I like what the Lebanese poet, Khalil Gibran, wrote in The Prophet., when speaking about revelatory discoveries.:
"Say not, 'I have found THE truth', but rather, 'I have found A truth.' "
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The essence of the postmodern emergent church and its deconstruction of the gospel of Christ.
 
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Willie-T said:
One day, perhaps, you may learn to actually read what has been written, rather than what you want to see in order to blurt out something you think makes you sound righteous. (Perhaps)
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Yes and perhaps one day you'll descend from your sanctimonious relativistic pietism downplaying anything that smacks of sound doctrine.
 
Willie-T

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Yes and perhaps one day you'll descend from your sanctimonious relativistic pietism downplaying anything that smacks of sound doctrine.
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Like you are putting down the OP for learning some deeper things of Scripture?

I sure hope that never happens in my life.
 
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