the rapture

[ATH1]

Ask any farmer

The grain is NOT GATHERED AFTER the weeds are pulled.

But besides that,why do you misplace that parable over and over,then say others are doing what you do?

Hi popeye, better open your other eye.
lol I am a farmer popeye. Let me give you a lesson.
When a farmer combines the wheat field,which includes the weeds, the weeds and wheat are brought into the combine and slides across sieves in the combine. the grain is separated from the weeds, and the wheat goes into the hopper and the weeds go out the back of the combine, Just like it says in the bible. ( and no, I know the word combine is not in the bible)

Biblical: The wheat and tares are harvested together and the wheat is stored in the bin and the weeds are cast out to be burned.
mANY FARMERS BURN THE WHEAT FIELD AFTER HARVEST TO DESTROY THE WEEDS and trash THAT WERE DROPPED BACK ONTO THE GROUND AT HARVEST.

I have the feeling you are just trying to defend your church doctrines popeye. It is church doctrine that leads so many astray.

allan

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hello PlainWord,

The GM is the Church

Please show me any scripture where the great tribulation saints are referred to by the use of the word "Ekklesia" translated "Church."

There is no such thing as a Tribulation Saint. Such a concept, pre-trib Saint vs. Trib Saint is not taught or found in the Bible

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands."

"Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?” I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore,"

Now do you believe that there are great tribulation saints?

The Second Coming is as a Thief. There is no earlier Rapture return.

This term is obviously also used to describe Christ's coming at the end of the age to establish his millennial kingdom.

So God killed the Saints shown in the 5th seal?

Sir, you seriously need to do a lot more study in end-time events. At the opening of the 5th seal, the conversation of martyred saints tell us right in the scripture that they want judgment upon the inhabitants of the earth to avenge their blood, which would demonstrate that, they were killed by the inhabitants of the earth and not by God. Pay attention to the details!

Nothing could be further from the truth!! You are 1000% wrong and it is this thinking that has skewed the rest of your thinking. The Great Tribulation begins when the Abomination of Desolation is seen as we are clearly told in Mat 24

That last seven years is the fulfillment of the seventieth seven of the decree that was given to Daniel regarding Israel and their holy city Jerusalem, as found in Dan.9:24. Seven 'seven' year periods to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, with sixty-two seven year periods ending with the Anointed One being cut off, which was Christ crucified. At that time God put on hold the program with Israel regarding that last seven year period, which was to be fulfilled in the future and began to build the church. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will gather us off the earth and take up where he left off with that last seven year period, dealing with Israel and the rest of the world.

You are correct in that, the great tribulation begins at the setting up of the abomination, which is in the middle of the seven years, but the church won't be here to see it. Neither will the church be here to see the first seal opened. As I said before, please show me anywhere from chapter 4 through 18 where the word "Church" appears. You will not find it and because the fact that it is not found is God's clue that the church is not here during his time of wrath. The next time we see any reference to the church is in Rev.19 where she is seen in heaven and is referred to as the Bride.

He has power over a 1/4 of the earth to kill using various means. It does not say he kills all 1/4 of the earth.

The above is just ridiculous! The claim that he is given power over a fourth of the earth, means that a fourth of the earth is killed. Why would he be restricted to a fourth, when scripture tells us that he is given authority over all the inhabitants of the earth?:

"And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[SUP]"[/SUP]

 

[popeye]

Hi popeye, better open your other eye.
lol I am a farmer popeye. Let me give you a lesson.
When a farmer combines the wheat field,which includes the weeds, the weeds and wheat are brought into the combine and slides across sieves in the combine. the grain is separated from the weeds, and the wheat goes into the hopper and the weeds go out the back of the combine, Just like it says in the bible. ( and no, I know the word combine is not in the bible)

Biblical: The wheat and tares are harvested together and the wheat is stored in the bin and the weeds are cast out to be burned.
mANY FARMERS BURN THE WHEAT FIELD AFTER HARVEST TO DESTROY THE WEEDS and trash THAT WERE DROPPED BACK ONTO THE GROUND AT HARVEST.

I have the feeling you are just trying to defend your church doctrines popeye. It is church doctrine that leads so many astray.

allan

Uh,you just confirmed what I said

THEY ARE GATHERED TOGETHER.

But,beyond that,YOU SAID,in your "teaching" that the good grain is dealt with FIRST.

So you have done zero to advance your theory.

 

[popeye]

Hi popeye, better open your other eye.
lol I am a farmer popeye. Let me give you a lesson.
When a farmer combines the wheat field,which includes the weeds, the weeds and wheat are brought into the combine and slides across sieves in the combine. the grain is separated from the weeds, and the wheat goes into the hopper and the weeds go out the back of the combine, Just like it says in the bible. ( and no, I know the word combine is not in the bible)

Biblical: The wheat and tares are harvested together and the wheat is stored in the bin and the weeds are cast out to be burned.
mANY FARMERS BURN THE WHEAT FIELD AFTER HARVEST TO DESTROY THE WEEDS and trash THAT WERE DROPPED BACK ONTO THE GROUND AT HARVEST.

I have the feeling you are just trying to defend your church doctrines popeye. It is church doctrine that leads so many astray.

allan

Are you aware of a BURNING OF WICKED AFTER the mil?

It occurred to me that you have not read that in the bible.

Are you aware that you need such an example?

You are stumbling all over this.

 

[PlainWord]

PW,where is this post mil rapture confirmed????

Any links????

Are you the only one that has this theory?????

I don't pay a lot of attention to what other men write since so many are wrong and are merely regurgitating crap others before them wrote such as those who repeat the lies of Darby. My views are deduced from the Bible, just as yours are deduced. The question then becomes, whose deduction is better?

Paul does not locate 1 Thes 4:13-17 in relation to the Tribulation. In fact, he doesn't even mention the Tribulation in that passage. You all locate 1 Thes 4 before the Tribulation because you wrongly consider the Tribulation as the Wrath of God when you have no passage that tells you the Tribulation = the Wrath of God. Then because you make that mistake you deduce that the Rapture must take place before the Wrath of God and you also deduce that the Wrath of God is world-wide affecting the whole planet thus we can't be on the planet Earth. Every bit of your views are contrived and deduced from false assumptions.

First let's define the Rapture as Paul describes it in 1 Thes 4. There is a resurrection. There is the return of God the Father, (not Christ) and God is bringing dead believers (those who sleep in Jesus). This is what the passage literally says yet all of you replace Jesus for God.

even so God will bring...

We know the souls of the dead are returning to enter their resurrected bodies. We have multiple passages that locate the resurrection after the Tribulation. We have no passage that locates any resurrection before the Trib. Those are the facts.

Dan 12:1-3 locates the resurrection AFTER the Tribulation.

And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

This time of Trouble IS the Great Tribulation. The nation mentioned is Israel. This connects perfectly to Mat 24:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

In Mat 24 as in Dan 12 we clearly see that it is the Nation of Israel that is involved in the Great Tribulation. Jeremiah 30 calls the Tribulation the time of "Jacob's Trouble." Thus the Tribulation is mostly regional but of course spills out all over the world. You guys read all the imagery of Revelation and literalize it into mountains being thrown into the sea, grass and trees being burned up all over the place, sea turning to blood, fire breathing men, beast crawling up from the ground, etc. etc.

Revelation does not provide anything new. It merely further tells us of events already foretold but does so in more detail.

Back to your question. Peter tells us the old earth and heaven dissolve. John teaches that a new heaven comes down and that this happens after the 1,000 year reign. John also tells us this:

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison [SUP]8 [/SUP]and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. [SUP]9 [/SUP]They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

It appears God is still in heaven when He does the above, right? When does God leave heaven and come to earth?

If all Saints are already resurrected in spiritual bodies, would they be threatened by the above surrounding of the Beloved City? These saints could not be killed again or harmed in any way. Therefore, they must be mortal. After this we are told of the Great White Throne of Judgment. The 1,000 years are over, right? Are there any living mortals at this point?

We are told in 2 Peter 3 and in Rev 21 that the old heaven and earth will pass away.

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.

Before it passes away would it not be necessary to translate any mortal still left alive?

Does the phrase, "Alive and Remain" sound familiar? What are they remaining from? A pre-trib period where nothing bad has happened yet?

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

 

[ATH1]

standing tall popeye, but yes, I do stumble. I am human. I want to understand Gods word, but I have no respect for church doctrine. and about the "burning" no one "burns" there is no torture or hopping on burning stones forever ect. The lake of fire is when God extingushes the soul of one that is not saved at judgement. there is no burning in hell forever and ever. It is the 2nd death its forever.

after the millennium, is the judgement and it is at this time that the wicked are "snuffed out" gone forever with no remembrance at all. this whole earth purpose for us humans is for God to seperate the souls that satan deceived from those that worship God. The wheat and the tares as well as Jesus reveling it is to know that the scoffers do not get the last laugh (so to speak) they will be gone forever while the saved live forever and forever.

everyone of us are going to be in one of those 2 groups popeye.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hi popeye, better open your other eye.
lol I am a farmer popeye. Let me give you a lesson.
When a farmer combines the wheat field,which includes the weeds, the weeds and wheat are brought into the combine and slides across sieves in the combine. the grain is separated from the weeds, and the wheat goes into the hopper and the weeds go out the back of the combine, Just like it says in the bible. ( and no, I know the word combine is not in the bible)

Biblical: The wheat and tares are harvested together and the wheat is stored in the bin and the weeds are cast out to be burned.
mANY FARMERS BURN THE WHEAT FIELD AFTER HARVEST TO DESTROY THE WEEDS and trash THAT WERE DROPPED BACK ONTO THE GROUND AT HARVEST.

I have the feeling you are just trying to defend your church doctrines popeye. It is church doctrine that leads so many astray.

allan

Hello ATH1,

What you have explained above I'm sure is how you perform the process, however, that is not the description given in scripture. Regarding the wheat and the weeds, scripture states that, at the harvest, which is figurative for the end of the age when Christ returns, the harvesters, who are figurative for the angels, go throughout the earth and are told to "First" collect the weeds, who are the "One's taken" and the wheat, which represents the son's of the kingdom, are those who are left. The following is what will take place:

Sometime after the seventh bowl judgment has been poured out, Christ will return to the earth to end the age and with him will be the church and the angels. According to the parable, the angels will go throughout the earth and first collect "the weeds," who will be brought to the place of Har-Megeddon where all of those kings, their generals and armies will have been gathered and the whole group, including the weeds, will be killed by that double-edged sword which is figurative for the word of God. After that takes place, the angels will then gather the wheat who will be brought before Christ.

"The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up? No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”

 

[Wall]

I don't pay a lot of attention to what other men write since so many are wrong and are merely regurgitating crap others before them wrote such as those who repeat the lies of Darby. My views are deduced from the Bible, just as yours are deduced. The question then becomes, whose deduction is better?

Paul does not locate 1 Thes 4:13-17 in relation to the Tribulation.

Paul doesnt but scripture does

1 THES. 4 [13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye SORROW NOT, EVEN AS OTHERS which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1THES.4 – voice – clouds – trump of God – sorrow not as others -

ZEPH. 1 – voice – clouds – the trumpet – man shall cry bitterly -

ZEPH. 1 [14] The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even THE VOICE of the day of the Lord: the mighty MAN SHALL CRY THERE BITTERLY. [15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a DAY OF CLOUDS and thick darkness, [16] A DAY OF THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. [17] And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.

No doubt about it. Both scriptures are speaking of the same event. Both scriptures speak of what happens on the Day of the Lord {Zeph 1:14}.


The Day of the Lord takes place AFTER the tribulation period

 

[ATH1]

Thank you for your reply. a play on words is what satan loves to do. read Matthew 13. It explaines very well what God says. I feel very comfortable in what has been reveled to me. You is up to you and God. Not you and me.
YES the wheat and tares are "combined" or harvested. the tares are seperated from the wheat and are "burnred
When Jesus comes back, in that instant, all flesh is ended! the good and bad. all flesh is ended upon jesus return at his coming. Then comes judgement. that is when the souls are given their judgement.
The milleneum is a 1000 years for "those on the fence" to make a decision for God or satan.
We can't take a paragraph in the bible and make dminute statements. A statement should be made from the entire evidence, not just a snapshot here and there.
it all has to agree throught the bible.

So much of this arguement is meaningless. and i think.... we might not be so far apart on our thinking.

A good study on the wheat and tares might be a valuable study for a group.

God bless humblt...allan

 

[Ahwatukee]

standing tall popeye, but yes, I do stumble. I am human. I want to understand Gods word, but I have no respect for church doctrine. and about the "burning" no one "burns" there is no torture or hopping on burning stones forever ect. The lake of fire is when God extingushes the soul of one that is not saved at judgement. there is no burning in hell forever and ever. It is the 2nd death its forever.

after the millennium, is the judgement and it is at this time that the wicked are "snuffed out" gone forever with no remembrance at all. this whole earth purpose for us humans is for God to seperate the souls that satan deceived from those that worship God. The wheat and the tares as well as Jesus reveling it is to know that the scoffers do not get the last laugh (so to speak) they will be gone forever while the saved live forever and forever.

everyone of us are going to be in one of those 2 groups popeye.

Hello again,

Taking into consideration the words within the context below, tell me if these describe nonexistence/annihilation or on-going punishment.

"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.


How do you interpret the words "tormented, rise up for ever and ever and no rest day or night?" Those words demonstrate on-going punishment, not annihilation or nonexistence. In order to be tormented, one would have to be existing in order to experience torment. If a person is burnt completely up so that he doesn't exist, then how can the smoke of their torment rise up for ever and ever? As I have demonstrated in earlier posts, having no rest day or night would also demonstrate that there is no cessation or intermission from the torment. This only requires common sense to understand what these words are conveying, which is why it amazes me that people continue to teach that the punishment is simply being annihilated in one moment. If the wicked just became nonexistent at the moment that they were thrown into the lake of fire, the reference to it as being everlasting fire would make no sense. Consider the following verse:

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life[/quote]

The same word "Aionios" translated "eternal" is used for both the righteous and the wicked. Eternal life for the righteous is on-going, never ending life while existing being conscious and aware. Therefore, eternal punishment must mean the same for the wicked, meaning on-going, never ending punishment while existing being conscious and aware. You can't have the same word mean two different things. You can't have the word eternal refer to the righteous as having on-going, never ending life and have eternal punishment mean nonexistence. The word punishment itself infers on-going retribution, for a person cannot be punished by becoming nonexistent and that because one would need to be conscious and aware in order to experience the punishment. In fact, in comparison to what God's word says regarding everlasting punishment in the lake of fire, nonexistence/annihilation would be a blessing and that because they would be escaping punishment.

 

[ATH1]

Hello ATH1,

What you have explained above I'm sure is how you perform the process, however, that is not the description given in scripture. Regarding the wheat and the weeds, scripture states that, at the harvest, which is figurative for the end of the age when Christ returns, the harvesters, who are figurative for the angels, go throughout the earth and are told to "First" collect the weeds, who are the "One's taken" and the wheat, which represents the son's of the kingdom, are those who are left. The following is what will take place:

Sometime after the seventh bowl judgment has been poured out, Christ will return to the earth to end the age and with him will be the church and the angels. According to the parable, the angels will go throughout the earth and first collect "the weeds," who will be brought to the place of Har-Megeddon where all of those kings, their generals and armies will have been gathered and the whole group, including the weeds, will be killed by that double-edged sword which is figurative for the word of God. After that takes place, the angels will then gather the wheat who will be brought before Christ.

"The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up? No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”

hi popeye, post 546 was to you, I agree with what you say I think were are just splitting hairs.think about this: if we have a pile of nickels and pennies and we seperate them, which was taken 1st? the nickels or the pennies? don't we have to agree you can't seperate them 1st and 2nd? they are seperated apart at the same time. We agree the weeds are taken and burned and the wheat is taken to the bin!

so what does that do for the rapture theory people who think they are taken out ist?

 

[ATH1]

Hello again,

Taking into consideration the words within the context below, tell me if these describe nonexistence/annihilation or on-going punishment.

"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.


How do you interpret the words "tormented, rise up for ever and ever and no rest day or night?" Those words demonstrate on-going punishment, not annihilation or nonexistence. In order to be tormented, one would have to be existing in order to experience torment. If a person is burnt completely up so that he doesn't exist, then how can the smoke of their torment rise up for ever and ever? As I have demonstrated in earlier posts, having no rest day or night would also demonstrate that there is no cessation or intermission from the torment. This only requires common sense to understand what these words are conveying, which is why it amazes me that people continue to teach that the punishment is simply being annihilated in one moment. If the wicked just became nonexistent at the moment that they were thrown into the lake of fire, the reference to it as being everlasting fire would make no sense. Consider the following verse:

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life

The same word "Aionios" translated "eternal" is used for both the righteous and the wicked. Eternal life for the righteous is on-going, never ending life while existing being conscious and aware. Therefore, eternal punishment must mean the same for the wicked, meaning on-going, never ending punishment while existing being conscious and aware. You can't have the same word mean two different things. You can't have the word eternal refer to the righteous as having on-going, never ending life and have eternal punishment mean nonexistence. The word punishment itself infers on-going retribution, for a person cannot be punished by becoming nonexistent and that because one would need to be conscious and aware in order to experience the punishment. In fact, in comparison to what God's word says regarding everlasting punishment in the lake of fire, nonexistence/annihilation would be a blessing and that because they would be escaping punishment.[/QUOTE]

I believe we have to know the whole story and not judge every sentence by itself. does not God say there will be no tears in Heaven? Do you think you would be happy in Heaven if you knew your loved ones were nashing their teeth in pain for eternity?, and the saved are so happy all the time??? that could not make sense to anyone.
Our God would NOT torture souls that way. You must know that.

I believe that If one does not make the "cut" that soul is immediately extingushed. with no rememberence of it by anyone.

Our God is a loving God and could never subscribe to that. God even said that He could not even think of what the molocks did to their children. How could we ever think God would torment souls forever? Its not even thinkable


Let me say I am not a scholar by any means. I am just a sojourner, learning as I go. I am not cemented in my search for truth. I thank you for the back and forth, and do not mean any anamosity against you, nor do I intend to change anyones way of belief. We both Love God and His word. I thoroughly respect your thoughts and value their ideas. We are not so far apart on our bekief, its just wording I believe.

a friend allan

 

[Ahwatukee]

does not God say there will be no tears in Heaven? Do you think you would be happy in Heaven if you knew your loved ones were nashing their teeth in pain for eternity?, and the saved are so happy all the time

You're forgetting about the fact that God is going to remove those things from our memory, that we will remember those things no more. And regarding "I believe we have to know the whole story and not judge every sentence by itself" you can't sweep that scripture under that table so that it doesn't mean what it says. There are many other scriptures that support the idea of on-going punishment. Again, I am no being sadistic in regards to wanting people to be punished for the sake of punishment, but I it is because, regardless of the topic, I am zealous for the truth and accuracy of the word of God. And regarding this subject of on-going punishment in the lake of fire vs. annihilation, there is just way too much scripture that supports on-going punishment and none whatsoever that supports a person becoming nonexistent.

 

[popeye]

hi popeye, post 546 was to you, I agree with what you say I think were are just splitting hairs.think about this: if we have a pile of nickels and pennies and we seperate them, which was taken 1st? the nickels or the pennies? don't we have to agree you can't seperate them 1st and 2nd? they are seperated apart at the same time. We agree the weeds are taken and burned and the wheat is taken to the bin!

so what does that do for the rapture theory people who think they are taken out ist?

Firstly,that parable is after the mil.
The W&T parable is used by postrib s to demonstrate (without a shred of truth) that those "taken" in mat 24 are wicked humans destined for fire or satan's army

Then they tie in "where the carcass is..." To "seal the deal",as if this harmonizes with scripture.

That would be well and fine if we could erase my 4examples THAT DESTROYS THAT NOTION.

IT IS A PACKAGE. Postrib package.

IOW,what they do is ignore 3 verses in favor of one.

That is their method,and I can rip that deal to shreds.

But......to them,that don't matter.

They exist doctrinally off of that format.

 

[ATH1]

Hi Ahwatukee

we may have to agree to disagree, lol. I too, am zealous for the truth. perhaps you are looking right on and I am looking in from the side. we each see the same thing, but in a little different prospective.
God bless my friend. I have to go for awhile.

 

[popeye]

Thank you for your reply. a play on words is what satan loves to do. read Matthew 13. It explaines very well what God says. I feel very comfortable in what has been reveled to me. You is up to you and God. Not you and me.
YES the wheat and tares are "combined" or harvested. the tares are seperated from the wheat and are "burnred
When Jesus comes back, in that instant, all flesh is ended! the good and bad. all flesh is ended upon jesus return at his coming. Then comes judgement. that is when the souls are given their judgement.
The milleneum is a 1000 years for "those on the fence" to make a decision for God or satan.
We can't take a paragraph in the bible and make dminute statements. A statement should be made from the entire evidence, not just a snapshot here and there.
it all has to agree throught the bible.

So much of this arguement is meaningless. and i think.... we might not be so far apart on our thinking.

A good study on the wheat and tares might be a valuable study for a group.

God bless humblt...allan

You have a harvest of the wicked in mat 24 (according to postrib)
But,you need a rapture of the righteous at the 2nd coming (again,according to postrib)

See what ya'll did????

Biblical mish mash.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Let me say I am not a scholar by any means. I am just a sojourner, learning as I go. I am not cemented in my search for truth. I thank you for the back and forth, and do not mean any anamosity against you, nor do I intend to change anyone's way of belief. We both Love God and His word. I thoroughly respect your thoughts and value their ideas. We are not so far apart on our belief, its just wording I believe.

Hello again Allan,

I also appreciate and respect your thoughts and I also mean no animosity towards you are anyone. Regardless of the biblical topic, I am just zealous for the truth and accuracy of God's word. I also thank you for your thoughts and ideas and look forward to continuing to fellowship in them. So, forgive me if I seem too zealous at times. I believe I need to tone that down some and maybe approach the correction and contending of scripture in a different manner.

 

[ATH1]

Hello again Allan,

I also appreciate and respect your thoughts and I also mean no animosity towards you are anyone. Regardless of the biblical topic, I am just zealous for the truth and accuracy of God's word. I also thank you for your thoughts and ideas and look forward to continuing to fellowship in them. So, forgive me if I seem too zealous at times. I believe I need to tone that down some and maybe approach the correction and contending of scripture in a different manner.

NO you don't. Jesus said somewhere, how I wish my people were as zealous for me as satans people are for him. You stay just as you are. I enjoy talking with you much. You are a good man of God and I appreciate everything you state and how you state it.

I consider you a friend in the word and Lord knows I don't have it all right. Don't change a thing.

allan

 

[ATH1]

You have a harvest of the wicked in mat 24 (according to postrib)
But,you need a rapture of the righteous at the 2nd coming (again,according to postrib)

See what ya'll did????

Biblical mish mash.

why do you need to find a rapture. We are not here to leave just as Christ is coming back! If we were to be raptured out there would be no more people to accept Jesus. satan comes at 6th trump, Christ comes at 7th trump. If yopu go at the ist calling, you are going to satan. think. satan comes 1st. he will be doing good things like maybe world peace or something like that. people are goping to think its jesus come back.

 

[popeye]

why do you need to find a rapture. We are not here to leave just as Christ is coming back! If we were to be raptured out there would be no more people to accept Jesus. satan comes at 6th trump, Christ comes at 7th trump. If yopu go at the ist calling, you are going to satan. think. satan comes 1st. he will be doing good things like maybe world peace or something like that. people are goping to think its jesus come back.

That's just it. I don't "find a rapture" at the 2nd coming,you guys do. (That is why you call yourselves postrib).

If yopu go at the ist calling, you are going to satan. think. satan comes 1st.

You literally grabbed that from the sky. There is no such thing.
If you think there is,show me from scripture.

We are not here to leave just as Christ is coming back! If we were to be raptured out there would be no more people to accept Jesus.

Where do you get this posture to watch and wait for the devil?
Who got you to believe that nonsense?
Fire them and get some real teachers.

Kisses and hugs......there ....I am a real man of God.