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[james57]

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As a pharisee, Paul wouldn't have known what murder was if the law had not said, 'Do not murder'.

​And Saul was agreeing with [Stephen's] murder. Now there happened on that day a great persecution against the church in Jerusalem, and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles. Acts 8:1

​But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest Acts 9:1​

BTW
As you seem to believe Paul the christian tried to live under a law of righteousness, I imagine you believe Ananias, Barnabas, the disciples in Damascus and Apostles in Jerusalem all forgot to tell him he wasn't under a law of righteousness as a Christian

 

[eternallife7]

You're assuming that Paul didn't try to keep the law as a Christian. Yet you yourself admit that you did try to keep the law as a Christian.

I can see you are a born again believer HeRoseFromTheDead by your posts!

 

[BenFTW]

I guess the man who slept with his fathers wife shouldn't have been sin conscious either

Hey James , I think what may not be crossing your mind is the point why a person shouldn't be sin-conscious. It isn't so that they walk in some form of lawlessness and it isn't to say that we aren't aware of right and wrong. Rather, it is a renewing of the mind to walk righteously. "Awake to righteousness and sin not."

It is getting your eyes off of your faults and stating the spiritual reality in faith so that it may manifest in reality. You, me, and everyone here (whom are Christians) are dead to sin, "reckon yourselves dead to sin." So, while we may know we have just sinned, it doesn't boggle us down. It doesn't heap condemnation on us. It doesn't make us feel condemned in our hearts and affect our confidence before the Lord. No, we are the righteousness of God, in Christ. He has imputed His righteousness to us and so walk out who He says you are.

To be sin-conscious puts your focus on something that doesn't define you. You have placed faith in Christ, and He has imputed His righteousness to you. Your focus is on Christ, and what He says about you, regardless of your circumstance. It is faith. Its like the person standing in faith for their healing based upon Christ's sacrifice, it is done spiritually and it only needs to manifest in reality, regardless of what symptoms surround them. In the same way you may sin, and yet you continue to be a saint in God's eyes because of Jesus Christ. Your sin doesn't define you, Christ does.

 

[Grace777x70]

Well said......

Hey James , I think what may not be crossing your mind is the point why a person shouldn't be sin-conscious. It isn't so that they walk in some form of lawlessness and it isn't to say that we aren't aware of right and wrong. Rather, it is a renewing of the mind to walk righteously. "Awake to righteousness and sin not."

It is getting your eyes off of your faults and stating the spiritual reality in faith so that it may manifest in reality. You, me, and everyone here (whom are Christians) are dead to sin, "reckon yourselves dead to sin." So, while we may know we have just sinned, it doesn't boggle us down. It doesn't heap condemnation on us. It doesn't make us feel condemned in our hearts and affect our confidence before the Lord. No, we are the righteousness of God, in Christ. He has imputed His righteousness to us and so walk out who He says you are.

To be sin-conscious puts your focus on something that doesn't define you. You have placed faith in Christ, and He has imputed His righteousness to you. Your focus is on Christ, and what He says about you, regardless of your circumstance. It is faith. Its like the person standing in faith for their healing based upon Christ's sacrifice, it is done spiritually and it only needs to manifest in reality, regardless of what symptoms surround them. In the same way you may sin, and yet you continue to be a saint in God's eye because of Jesus Christ. Your sin doesn't define you, Christ does.

 

[james57]

Hey James , I think what may not be crossing your mind is the point why a person shouldn't be sin-conscious. It isn't so that they walk in some form of lawlessness and it isn't to say that we aren't aware of right and wrong. Rather, it is a renewing of the mind to walk righteously. "Awake to righteousness and sin not."

It is getting your eyes off of your faults and stating the spiritual reality in faith so that it may manifest in reality. You, me, and everyone here (whom are Christians) are dead to sin, "reckon yourselves dead to sin." So, while we may know we have just sinned, it doesn't boggle us down. It doesn't heap condemnation on us. It doesn't make us feel condemned in our hearts and affect our confidence before the Lord. No, we are the righteousness of God, in Christ. He has imputed His righteousness to us and so walk out who He says you are.

To be sin-conscious puts your focus on something that doesn't define you. You have placed faith in Christ, and He has imputed His righteousness to you. Your focus is on Christ, and what He says about you, regardless of your circumstance. It is faith. Its like the person standing in faith for their healing based upon Christ's sacrifice, it is done spiritually and it only needs to manifest in reality, regardless of what symptoms surround them. In the same way you may sin, and yet you continue to be a saint in God's eye because of Jesus Christ. Your sin doesn't define you, Christ does.

Can you answer the question in the post you have responded to
Thanks

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Yes he justified it because he thought he was defending the true faith

How could he justify breaking the tenth commandment. Please explain

The point was that the commandment had not yet 'come' to him so that he could understand it and die. What caused the commandment to finally 'come' to him?

 

[james57]

The point was that the commandment had not yet 'come' to him so that he could understand it and die. What caused the commandment to finally 'come' to him?

I know, the ten commandments didn't come to Paul the pharisee

 

[james57]

I thought you all believed Paul wrote of his christian life in rom7:14-25. He was definately sin conscious in those verses. I guess he didn't have the understanding many do today

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

To be sin-conscious puts your focus on something that doesn't define you. You have placed faith in Christ, and He has imputed His righteousness to you. Your focus is on Christ, and what He says about you, regardless of your circumstance. It is faith. Its like the person standing in faith for their healing based upon Christ's sacrifice, it is done spiritually and it only needs to manifest in reality, regardless of what symptoms surround them. In the same way you may sin, and yet you continue to be a saint in God's eyes because of Jesus Christ. Your sin doesn't define you, Christ does.

I think it would be better to say sin-focused rather than sin-conscious. One cannot walk with Christ without an awareness of being a sinful being. He won't allow it. We are not the righteousness of GOD. Only Christ is. We have been declared righteous, and are being transformed into the righteousness of GOD, but we are yet sinful and he alone is righteousness. The walk is by faith in Christ's righteousness, not by focusing on our supposed righteousness.

 

[james57]

I think it would be better to say sin-focused rather than sin-conscious. One cannot walk with Christ without an awareness of being a sinful being. He won't allow it. We are not the righteousness of GOD. Only Christ is. We have been declared righteous, and are being transformed into the righteousness of GOD, but we are yet sinful and he alone is righteousness. The walk is by faith in Christ's righteousness, not by focusing on our supposed righteousness.

Do you believe neither Ananias, Barnabas, the disciples at Damascus or the Apostles in Jerusalem told Paul as a christian he was not under a law of righteousness?

 

[BenFTW]

Can you answer the question in the post you have responded to
Thanks

The answer is found in the definition. The people telling you to not be sin-conscious are not telling you to not be aware of wrong-doing, but rather, to not let sin be the sole focus of your life when Jesus has given you victory over it. The solution to sin is not the Law, it is grace. Awareness of sin doesn't give a person victory over it, it simply condemns.

Awareness of Jesus Christ, on the other hand, and His grace (and the victory He has given you, through such things as no condemnation, and imputed righteousness) is where you will find rest and peace. No longer does a mirror reflect you, but Christ in you. Your focus is not on your faults, but Him. His grace shatters the mirror and puts Him in the frame.

 

[james57]

The answer is found in the definition. The people telling you to not be sin-conscious are not telling you to not be aware of wrong-doing, but rather, to not let sin be the sole focus of your life when Jesus has given you victory over it. The solution to sin is not the Law, it is grace. Awareness of sin doesn't give a person victory over it, it simply condemns.

Awareness of Jesus Christ, on the other hand, and His grace (and the victory He has given you, through such things as no condemnation, and imputed righteousness) is where you will find rest and peace. No longer does a mirror reflect you, but Christ in you. Your focus is not on your faults, but Him. His grace shatters the mirror and puts Him in the frame.

So you do believe a christian can be/ is sin conscious

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Do you believe neither Ananias, Barnabas, the disciples at Damascus or the Apostles in Jerusalem told Paul as a christian he was not under a law of righteousness?

I have no idea what this means.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The answer is found in the definition. The people telling you to not be sin-conscious are not telling you to not be aware of wrong-doing, but rather, to not let sin be the sole focus of your life when Jesus has given you victory over it. The solution to sin is not the Law, it is grace. Awareness of sin doesn't give a person victory over it, it simply condemns.

Awareness of Jesus Christ, on the other hand, and His grace (and the victory He has given you, through such things as no condemnation, and imputed righteousness) is where you will find rest and peace. No longer does a mirror reflect you, but Christ in you. Your focus is not on your faults, but Him. His grace shatters the mirror and puts Him in the frame.

How can one be aware of Jesus and his grace without being aware of one's sin(fullness)? Grace is the passing over of the judgment of sin. How can one be aware of grace without knowing what that grace encompasses?

 

[james57]

I have no idea what this means.

Really?

I will put it another way. After spending time with Ananias, Barnabas, the disciples in damascus and the Apostles in Jerusalem was Paul left with the belief heaven hinged on obeying the law. Or, had he been told by the people mentioned he was not under a law of righteousness before God
Just to be even clearer.
By the Tim he left the Apostles in Jerusalem did Paul understand as a christian he was not under a law of righteousness

You must understand now, I am sure everyone else does

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Really?

I will put it another way. After spending time with Ananias, Barnabas, the disciples in damascus and the Apostles in Jerusalem was Paul left with the belief heaven hinged on obeying the law. Or, had he been told by the people mentioned he was not under a law of righteousness before God
Just to be even clearer.
By the Tim he left the Apostles in Jerusalem did Paul understand as a christian he was not under a law of righteousness

You must understand now, I am sure everyone else does

I think that they all knew they were free from the law's judgment, but I think most believing Jews of that period followed the law, including Paul.

 

[BenFTW]

How can one be aware of Jesus and his grace without being aware of one's sin(fullness)? Grace is the passing over of the judgment of sin. How can one be aware of grace without knowing what that grace encompasses?

You were correct to understand awareness as focus, that is the meaning behind the saying of being sin conscious or Son conscious. The awareness is about focus.

 

[james57]

I think that they all knew they were free from the law's judgment, but I think most believing Jews of that period followed the law, including Paul.

That does not suprise me you gave me that answer you couldnt say anything else could you. Do you remember that post I wrote saying how I could look back on my life trying to attain heaven as a Pharisee and I quoted rom7:7-11

You said that hinged on, the assumption Paul didn't try as a christian to obey the law( of righteousness)
So if you admitted now Paul was told by any of the people mentioned he was not under a law of righteousness as a christian you would then have to admit you were wrong. And you are not going to do that are you

I leave it up to the unbaised observer if they believe it us credible that neither, Ananias, Barnabas, the disciples in Damascus, or the Apostles in Jerusalem made sure Paul understood the core of the christian faith before he left them

As i said, it is a waste of time. Peoples first concern is not spiritual truth, but saying anything to avoid admitting to error

 

[BenFTW]

So you do believe a christian can be/ is sin conscious

Yes, and in some ways it reveals a subtly of self-righteousness. Mostly due to people being bombarded with sin, sin, and more sin. Don't do this and don't do that instead of preaching grace and victory to people. Basically just demolishing their dreams and grandeur of being righteous in and of themselves.

You see, the fire and brimstone preacher would hit you over the head with the ten commandments to no avail, whereas a grace preacher will lead you to Jesus and allow the revelation of God's grace and mercy to transform you. No longer tearing you down to strive to be something you are incapable of being through self-efforts but renewing your mind to who you are in Christ and who He has made you to be.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You were correct to understand awareness as focus, that is the meaning behind the saying of being sin conscious or Son conscious. The awareness is about focus.

That's not what I meant. By sin-focused I meant dwelling on sin rather than Christ, which brings condemnation. By sin awareness I meant dwelling on Christ's grace. We cannot not walk in grace without being aware of our sinfulness. Grace means passing over of judgment rightfully due. Being aware of sin in the light of grace does not bring condemnation; it brings gratitude.