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You can't interpret what is not in the Bible. That is why we have denominations like the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons. Stick to the Bible and what is there.
The Bible tells us that Jesus had half-brothers. So unless there was another virgin that gave birth to the Son of God it was Mary giving birth to the children of Joseph.
The Bible tells us that Jesus had half-brothers. So unless there was another virgin that gave birth to the Son of God it was Mary giving birth to the children of Joseph.
no doubt Jesus had step brothers who were the sons of Joseph not the sons of Mary and not being blood relatives did not feel obliged to claim His body for burial or provide Mary who was not really their mother with a home - btw it is exactly because one can interpret what is not in the Bible and many do that we have many different Protestants, Jehovah's witnesses. Mormons etc and indeed many Bibles also - wincam
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Jesus behaved no differently than any human baby / child. He was trained by his parents in the Hebrew culture of that day. He took Biblical education from youth, at age 12 he was found to be wise by the teachers of the law.
Suffice it to say that it was not until he was baptized by John the Baptist of the Holy Spirit, that he began to do mighty works that were unusual for even the Bible scholars of that day.
Jesus himself said that without the power of God he could do nothing extraordinary.
Suffice it to say that it was not until he was baptized by John the Baptist of the Holy Spirit, that he began to do mighty works that were unusual for even the Bible scholars of that day.
Jesus himself said that without the power of God he could do nothing extraordinary.
A Protestant Defense of Mary's Perpetual Virginity
Interestingly, all the early reformers supported Mary's perpetual virginity. Denial of this is a modern invention. That means it is an unbiblical man made tradition and should be discarded. The fact that it is so late to appear on the scene tells us it is man made. But Protestants, especially the non-denoms and fundamentalists, can make up their own doctrines that conflict with the very reformers they sprang from.
If Mary had other children that would reduce the uniqueness of the Incarnation. That is why I call it a doctrine of demons. If a person can accept the numerous foreshadowing texts of Jesus in the Old Testament, but flatly deny foreshadowing texts of Mary?
The belief that Mary was always a virgin has been held since the earliest days of Christianity. Many of the early Church Fathers, including Athanasius, Jerome, and Augustine, expressed this belief. To give just one example, Augustine said in A.D. 411 that Mary was "a Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual."
Another source that supports belief in Mary's perpetual virginity is the Protoevangelium of James . It was written around A.D. 120, when some of those who had known the apostles were still alive. It records that Mary was dedicated before her birth to serve the Lord in the temple, as Samuel had been dedicated by his mother (1 Sam. 1:11). This required perpetual virginity of Mary so that she could completely devote herself to the service of the Lord.
When the angel Gabriel tells Mary that she will bear a son, Mary asks, "How shall this be, since I have no husband?" (Luke 1:34). At this point, Mary was engaged to Joseph. Why would she then be so surprised at being told she would conceive? If she were planning on having children with Joseph in the usual way, it wouldn't make sense for her to ask how she would be able to have a child. This question makes sense only if Mary was already planning to remain a virgin.
Interestingly, all the early reformers supported Mary's perpetual virginity. Denial of this is a modern invention. That means it is an unbiblical man made tradition and should be discarded. The fact that it is so late to appear on the scene tells us it is man made. But Protestants, especially the non-denoms and fundamentalists, can make up their own doctrines that conflict with the very reformers they sprang from.
If Mary had other children that would reduce the uniqueness of the Incarnation. That is why I call it a doctrine of demons. If a person can accept the numerous foreshadowing texts of Jesus in the Old Testament, but flatly deny foreshadowing texts of Mary?
The belief that Mary was always a virgin has been held since the earliest days of Christianity. Many of the early Church Fathers, including Athanasius, Jerome, and Augustine, expressed this belief. To give just one example, Augustine said in A.D. 411 that Mary was "a Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual."
Another source that supports belief in Mary's perpetual virginity is the Protoevangelium of James . It was written around A.D. 120, when some of those who had known the apostles were still alive. It records that Mary was dedicated before her birth to serve the Lord in the temple, as Samuel had been dedicated by his mother (1 Sam. 1:11). This required perpetual virginity of Mary so that she could completely devote herself to the service of the Lord.
When the angel Gabriel tells Mary that she will bear a son, Mary asks, "How shall this be, since I have no husband?" (Luke 1:34). At this point, Mary was engaged to Joseph. Why would she then be so surprised at being told she would conceive? If she were planning on having children with Joseph in the usual way, it wouldn't make sense for her to ask how she would be able to have a child. This question makes sense only if Mary was already planning to remain a virgin.
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she was considered an adulterer or at least a fornicator.
And jesus was considered a bastard child.
I am not sure when they were "married" or if they lived together while she was pregnant or not. I do not think the bible is quite clear.
What we do know by scripture, is that they did not consummate the marriage until after he was born. A jewish custom in the OT how did it say they were arried? And the man went into (knew) the woman and he made her his wife..
Joseph knew Mary after the birth of her firstborn, and made her his wife.
Thats the way I see it, But I could be wrong about when they were married. and not even sure it matters, what matters is God in his word said they did consumate their marriage and mary had other children. period.
And jesus was considered a bastard child.
I am not sure when they were "married" or if they lived together while she was pregnant or not. I do not think the bible is quite clear.
What we do know by scripture, is that they did not consummate the marriage until after he was born. A jewish custom in the OT how did it say they were arried? And the man went into (knew) the woman and he made her his wife..
Joseph knew Mary after the birth of her firstborn, and made her his wife.
Thats the way I see it, But I could be wrong about when they were married. and not even sure it matters, what matters is God in his word said they did consumate their marriage and mary had other children. period.
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The bible also said he did not know his wife UNTIL..
it means he knew his wife.. It did not say UNTIL she died (a popular romanistic argument) it says he did not know her until she gave birth. Mary and joseph lived as husband and wife for many years after that.
You can not pick and chose what part of the bible to read.
it means he knew his wife.. It did not say UNTIL she died (a popular romanistic argument) it says he did not know her until she gave birth. Mary and joseph lived as husband and wife for many years after that.
You can not pick and chose what part of the bible to read.
Sure, she progressively showed her pregnancy in that her stomach grew.
By some, Jesus was considered a bastard...
Luk 2:5 To be taxed withMary his espoused wife, being great with child.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, evenGod.
By some, Jesus was considered a bastard...
Luk 2:5 To be taxed withMary his espoused wife, being great with child.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, evenGod.
well, it's not part of the Bible, but in some writings I have read....
Mary was tested by those watching...to know if she had been adulterous or not.
[h=1]Numbers 5:21-28King James Version (KJV)[/h]21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.
25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the Lord, and offer it upon the altar:
26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
Mary was tested by those watching...to know if she had been adulterous or not.
[h=1]Numbers 5:21-28King James Version (KJV)[/h]21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.
25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the Lord, and offer it upon the altar:
26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.