Where Is Mother Teresa Now?

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RachelBibleStudent said:
i don't think all of the words of a chronically depressed person are grounds
for judging the fate of their soul
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According to post #49, a long-term lack of joy and peace such as Teresa's is
a symptom of someone living in accord with the flesh instead of living in
accord with the Spirit.

†. Gal 5:22 . . But the fruit of the Spirit is joy, peace,

†. Gal 5:25 . . If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

Teresa also expressed concern that if a God does exist (she was never quite
sure) then He may not like her and might even be quite inclined to condemn
her.

I would say that is the natural conclusion somebody would come to when
God is nowhere nearby to convince them that they have nothing to worry
about.

†. Rom 8:15-16 . . For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to
fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we
cry out: Abba! Father! The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that
we are children of God

When somebody has the spirit of adoption, they don't worry whether God
likes them or not because the Spirit himself has a way of getting through
and making sure they know.

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Whenever anyone is in the wilderness experience and makes their complaints to others about it, they will either do one of two things. They will either justify God saying, l know l have to learn to walk by faith, and will not want to leave a negative view of God with others, or they will not. They will leave others to come to the conclusion that God is unfair and unjust proving that they are either backslidden or unconverted. This has been my observation.
 
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Except it wasn't lifelong... The depression and dryness ended a few months prior to her death.

Also, you are only using quotes that are denigrating to her. You don't use the quote about her dryness in her prayer life and where she finds Christ

"I wonder if He exists, or if He is real, or if He truly loves me. This has been my fear. But in the eyes of His creation, in the eyes of the poor and suffering, I see His eyes, and I hear His mirth in Love."
 
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I love Mother Teresa for who she was, and what she did for the people. I leave the judging to God. She is a role model to all of us if you ask me. Hands that serve are more sacred than the lips that pray. Whether Catholic or not, would any of us have done what she did to those people? take a moment to think about it.
 
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JerrY_Yehuda, welcome to CC!

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WebersHome said:
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According to post #49, a long-term lack of joy and peace such as Teresa's is
a symptom of someone living in accord with the flesh instead of living in
accord with the Spirit. blah blah blah
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I notice that most, if not all, of the Teresa bashers are ultimately sourced from radical atheists.
 
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According to post #49, a long-term lack of joy and peace such as Teresa's is
a symptom of someone living in accord with the flesh instead of living in
accord with the Spirit.

†. Gal 5:22 . . But the fruit of the Spirit is joy, peace,

†. Gal 5:25 . . If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

Teresa also expressed concern that if a God does exist (she was never quite
sure) then He may not like her and might even be quite inclined to condemn
her.

I would say that is the natural conclusion somebody would come to when
God is nowhere nearby to convince them that they have nothing to worry
about.

†. Rom 8:15-16 . . For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to
fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we
cry out: Abba! Father! The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that
we are children of God

When somebody has the spirit of adoption, they don't worry whether God
likes them or not because the Spirit himself has a way of getting through
and making sure they know.

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yes you could say this...however depression might also be a 'thorn' that God allows someone to live with...

the idea that theresa's depression suggests a lack of salvation borders on 'word of faith' teaching...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
depression might also be a 'thorn' that God allows someone to live with
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Your theory annuls the fruit of the Spirit.

†. Gal 5:22 . . But the fruit of the Spirit is joy, peace

Your theory annuls Christ's wishes.

†. John 14:26-27 . . Peace I leave with you-- my peace I give to you; not as
the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it
be afraid.

†. John 15:11 . .These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in
you, and that your joy may be made full.

†. John 17:13 . . But now I come to thee; and these things I speak in the
world, that they may have my joy made full in themselves.

Your theory annuls Paul's wishes.

†. Rom 15:33 . . Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Your theory annuls Paul's teachings.

†. Gal 5:25 . . If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

†. Php 4:5-7 . .The Lord is at hand. Do not be anxious about anything, but
in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your
requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding,
will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

†. Php 4:8-9 . . Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble,
whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is
admirable-- if anything is excellent or praiseworthy --think about such
things. Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in
me-- put it into practice; and the God of peace will be with you.

Some of you people need to face the facts and stop making lame excuses
for Teresa's deplorable spiritual condition.

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Your theory annuls the fruit of the Spirit.

†. Gal 5:22 . . But the fruit of the Spirit is joy, peace

Your theory annuls Christ's wishes.

†. John 14:26-27 . . Peace I leave with you-- my peace I give to you; not as
the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it
be afraid.

†. John 15:11 . .These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in
you, and that your joy may be made full.

†. John 17:13 . . But now I come to thee; and these things I speak in the
world, that they may have my joy made full in themselves.

Your theory annuls Paul's wishes.

†. Rom 15:33 . . Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Your theory annuls Paul's teachings.

†. Gal 5:25 . . If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

†. Php 4:5-7 . .The Lord is at hand. Do not be anxious about anything, but
in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your
requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding,
will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

†. Php 4:8-9 . . Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble,
whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is
admirable-- if anything is excellent or praiseworthy --think about such
things. Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in
me-- put it into practice; and the God of peace will be with you.

Some of you people need to face the facts and stop making lame excuses
for Teresa's deplorable spiritual condition.

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your theory annuls the fact that even when we have the spirit and its fruit...we are still stuck in this body of death that wars against the spirit until the end of our lives on this earth...

and i am just not going to question the salvation of someone i have never even met based on the utterances of their darkest hours...and i advise anyone else to take the same approach...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
your theory annuls the fact that even when we have the spirit and its fruit...we are still stuck in this body of death that wars against the spirit until the end of our lives on this earth...

and i am just not going to question the salvation of someone i have never even met based on the utterances of their darkest hours...and i advise anyone else to take the same approach...
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Dude!....you did this very thing in another thread!
 
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Dude!....you did this very thing in another thread!
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in order for this to be true you would have to establish that the person i was addressing was in their darkest hours...that certainly didn't seem to be the case...

moral equivocation doesn't work on me...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
in order for this to be true you would have to establish that the person i was addressing was in their darkest hours...that certainly didn't seem to be the case...

moral equivocation doesn't work on me...
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And neither does pointing out the obvious irony you have established here on this board.
 
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Christ's version of Christianity is a religion consisting of supernatural
realities. One of those realties is God's active presence in the lives of Christ's
loyal followers.

†. John 14:16 . . I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another
Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever

†. John 14:18 . . I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you

†. John 14:21 . . He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is
who loves me; and he who loves me shall be loved by my Father, and I will
love him, and will disclose myself to him.

†. John 14:23 . . If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father
will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

When someone complains; as did Teresa, that:

"I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness &
emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."

And/or:

"When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting
emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my
very soul. How painful is this unknown pain-- I have no faith."

And/or:

"Now Father-- since 49 or 50 this terrible sense of loss-- this untold
darkness-- this loneliness, this continual longing for God-- which gives me
pain deep down in my heart-- Darkness is such that I really do not see
neither with my mind nor with my reason-- the place of God in my soul is
blank-- There is no God in me-- when the pain of longing is so great-- I just
long & long for God-- and then it is that I feel-- He does not want me-- He is
not there-- God does not want me-- Sometimes-- I just hear my own heart
cry out-- "My God" and nothing else comes-- the torture and pain I can't
explain"

When people complain like that; it's quite obvious they have not only been
abandoned by God, but they never experienced His active presence in their
lives to begin with.

So; what happened? Why didn't Teresa experience the active presence of
God in her life? Well; hello? Her problem stemmed from John 14:21 and
John 14:23.

Bottom line: Teresa may have been a good Catholic, and she may have been
an excellent Sister Of Charity; but the truth is: she didn't love Christ, but
was, in point of fact, quite insubordinate; simple as that.

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epostle said:
You are either very sick, very deceived by anti-Catholic hate speech, or suffer from blind prejudice, swallowing down whole every lie ever printed against Mother Teresa and the Catholic Church in general. Most people have spiritual dryness at times, God puts it there so we can grow up. But you have no concept...

Mother Teresa wasn’t ‘feeling’ Christ’s love, and she could have shut down. But she was up at 4:30 every morning for Jesus, and still writing to him, ‘Your happiness is all I want.’ That’s a powerful example even if you are not talking in exclusively religious terms.”After all, as Mother Teresa herself wrote, “I accept not in my feelings—but with my will, the Will of God—I accept His will.”

WebersHome, Mother Teresa is deeper than you can imagine
I suggest you read her book Mother Teresa: Come Be My Light
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Who was she calling Jesus? Seeing that the Pope claims to be God on earth? If she was unsure that God existed..then she really never understood salvation and by Whom if her autobiography is correct. I am sure that she had ample opportunity to read the scriptures of the real Bible and not the papal doctrines. No one here is saying that all Catholics are bad people..its the Papal System that is demonic...what do you really know about Rome's history and its unspeakable acts against Christians who stood up against the corruption in the church of Rome and its false doctrines?
 
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So Sad. Her writing does not just reflect struggles but a disconnect with God. She did not know God. I don't know if this applies to her but from what we know it might. I hope not.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
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sad that we have nothing better to do than speculate about someones salvation who is dead. Jesus is proud.
 
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Teresa's public statements are very motivational: they're full of flowery
phrases, pious platitudes, and praises for Christ; while her private
statements reveal it was all an act.

You know, I just have to wonder how many other people-- standing in
pulpits, leading prayer meetings, out on the mission field, and/or teaching
catechism and Sunday school --are putting on acts too.

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One thing that I must not forget: Man looks on the out appearance but God looks on the heart. The best answer that I can come up with for myself, is to make sure I know Christ as my personal Savior. God does have sheep in the Catholic church too. He is no respecter of persons. He says,,the first will be last and the last will be first. Only God really knew her heart..I just want to make sure my election is sure, that I have a loving relationship with God.
 
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WebersHome said:
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Teresa's public statements are very motivational: they're full of flowery
phrases, pious platitudes, and praises for Christ; while her private
statements reveal it was all an act.

You know, I just have to wonder how many other people-- standing in
pulpits, leading prayer meetings, out on the mission field, and/or teaching
catechism and Sunday school --are putting on acts too.

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Would you rather she had lied in her private times with God or bare her soul to Him?
 
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As I read these quotes, it sounds to me like a woman who was absolutely steadfast in doing God's work in spite of many obstacles placed in her path by the enemy.
 
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