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I think were people have a hard time in the understanding of the gospel of the grace of Christ is in the area of "acceptance grace". The natural mind and depending on our religious upbringing ...this causes problems for us.
I embrace how the Holy Spirit reveals Christ to us!!! In His revealing of Jesus I see myself in Him and the by-product of that is that I am transformed. It's beautiful!
There are 2 aspects to grace.
1) acceptance grace - which has nothing to do with our behavior - as seen with the woman caught in adultery. Our Lord beautifully says " I do not condemn you". It is in knowing you are not condemned that releases the other aspect of grace.
2) now, go and sin no more - this is empowering grace. Empowering grace enables you to be who the father sees you are in Christ now.
The religious mindset says to the woman caught in adultery - 'Do not sin and we will not condemn you." The grace of God speaks of better things!
Knowing that we are not condemned in Christ "releases" the life of the empowering grace to transform us. It's all about Christ! It's His fruit being manifested in us!
Acceptance grace which is not based on our behavior needs to be cemented in our hearts before empowering grace is able to be manifested.
I embrace how the Holy Spirit reveals Christ to us!!! In His revealing of Jesus I see myself in Him and the by-product of that is that I am transformed. It's beautiful!
There are 2 aspects to grace.
1) acceptance grace - which has nothing to do with our behavior - as seen with the woman caught in adultery. Our Lord beautifully says " I do not condemn you". It is in knowing you are not condemned that releases the other aspect of grace.
2) now, go and sin no more - this is empowering grace. Empowering grace enables you to be who the father sees you are in Christ now.
The religious mindset says to the woman caught in adultery - 'Do not sin and we will not condemn you." The grace of God speaks of better things!
Knowing that we are not condemned in Christ "releases" the life of the empowering grace to transform us. It's all about Christ! It's His fruit being manifested in us!
Acceptance grace which is not based on our behavior needs to be cemented in our hearts before empowering grace is able to be manifested.
1 John 3:9 says that no one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
So how can someone who is born of God practice sin and no longer remain a child of God if no one who is born of God practices sin? Did John mention "no longer remain born of God" in 1 John 3? In John 15, we see two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit and the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). Jesus mentions branches that produce no fruit and branches that produce fruit (vs. 2) but Jesus says nothing about branches that produced fruit but then stopped producing fruit. Those who profess to know Christ but whose relationship to Him is self-attached, He neither elected them, nor saved them, nor sustains them. Eventually, the fruitless branches are identified as not belonging to the vine and are removed.
So how can someone who is born of God practice sin and no longer remain a child of God if no one who is born of God practices sin? Did John mention "no longer remain born of God" in 1 John 3? In John 15, we see two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit and the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). Jesus mentions branches that produce no fruit and branches that produce fruit (vs. 2) but Jesus says nothing about branches that produced fruit but then stopped producing fruit. Those who profess to know Christ but whose relationship to Him is self-attached, He neither elected them, nor saved them, nor sustains them. Eventually, the fruitless branches are identified as not belonging to the vine and are removed.
What did Paul say to the corinthians about the guy having sex with his father's wife? ..he would be destroyed in his flesh but his spirit will be saved. All those in Corinth that were having sex with prostitutes, back-biting and squabbling with each other, getting drunk at communion, taking each other to court..etc. If they died while doing those things..where would they go?.
Salvation is not based on us and what we do. BUT if we hear the real life liberating gospel of grace that Paul preached..it has the power to save us from all things.
We do not become righteous by what we do..we are in Christ and it is His life that saves us. It is all about Him and Him only.
Salvation is not based on us and what we do. BUT if we hear the real life liberating gospel of grace that Paul preached..it has the power to save us from all things.
We do not become righteous by what we do..we are in Christ and it is His life that saves us. It is all about Him and Him only.
What did Paul say to the corinthians about the guy having sex with his father's wife? ..he would be destroyed in his flesh but his spirit will be saved. All those in Corinth that were having sex with prostitutes, back-biting and squabbling with each other, getting drunk at communion, taking each other to court..etc. If they died while doing those things..where would they go?.
Salvation is not based on us and what we do. BUT if we hear the real life liberating gospel of grace that Paul preached..it has the power to save us from all things.
We do not become righteous by what we do..we are in Christ and it is His life that saves us. It is all about Him and Him only.
Salvation is not based on us and what we do. BUT if we hear the real life liberating gospel of grace that Paul preached..it has the power to save us from all things.
We do not become righteous by what we do..we are in Christ and it is His life that saves us. It is all about Him and Him only.
It seems to me you point blank refuse to accept all of Paul's message, only the part you are comfy with.
Sorry, but that's how it comes accross
You can believe that particular interpretation of 1 John 3 if you choose, but it simply says that those born of GOD are not doing sin, and can't be doing so because GOD's children don't practice sin. Therefore, if someone born of GOD does practice sin, it simply means that they have forfeited being GOD's child and have returned to their own vomit.
Here is a view from someone that has been a believer for decades I have never heard of but has just recently went to be with the Lord. This is his answer when asked about hyper-grace..it brought some points out that I haven't heard before..
https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/explaining-hyper-grace/#more-72066
https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/explaining-hyper-grace/#more-72066
Contradicting your view of scripture is not contradicting scripture.
Your personal bias toward me is clouding your ability to see the truth of the scriptures. Your sore spot is that I have refuted your position of tongues and the other sign gifts. For you to accept anything I say is to accept that you have a flaw in your doctrine regarding gifts. Really its a shame you cannot get past what has become for you a big stumbling block.
Gods grace always produces a change that cannot be repented of.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Your personal bias toward me is clouding your ability to see the truth of the scriptures. Your sore spot is that I have refuted your position of tongues and the other sign gifts. For you to accept anything I say is to accept that you have a flaw in your doctrine regarding gifts. Really its a shame you cannot get past what has become for you a big stumbling block.
Gods grace always produces a change that cannot be repented of.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Dan's post in 105 answered that for you already.
1 Corinthians 6:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
the unrighteous are non-believers..and then the rest of those verses describe what they are....then it talks about us believers in verse 11
it looks like you are confusing identity with behavior as seen in outward actions...it's a common thing.....go back and read Dan's post..he explained it well...meditate on it...
1 Corinthians 6:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
the unrighteous are non-believers..and then the rest of those verses describe what they are....then it talks about us believers in verse 11
it looks like you are confusing identity with behavior as seen in outward actions...it's a common thing.....go back and read Dan's post..he explained it well...meditate on it...
I am not the one confused. Paul states those who live that way cannot inherit eternal life.
He states in Gal5:21 he is warning the Galatians as he did before( christians) those who live as described in the verses in Galatians 5:19&20 & 1corinthians 6:9-11 will not inherit the kingdom of God. He is warning christians of this, not unbelievers
Your belief that no matter how a believer chooses to act they will still attain heaven just isn't biblical as Paul clearly tells us
He states in Gal5:21 he is warning the Galatians as he did before( christians) those who live as described in the verses in Galatians 5:19&20 & 1corinthians 6:9-11 will not inherit the kingdom of God. He is warning christians of this, not unbelievers
Your belief that no matter how a believer chooses to act they will still attain heaven just isn't biblical as Paul clearly tells us
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continue in sin.....so what's the time table? Is it different for different sins? I have smoked cigs for 40 years so am I contnuing in sin and apostate??? What about gossip? Still talk about people? How about breaking the laws of the land? Still drive 5 over and if so how long have you been driving? (that's continuing in sin) Gluttony? How many overweight Christians? Do you love the LORD with all your heart ALL the time? Do you love others ALL the time?
Is there a sliding scale? It's okay to not to commit adultery but it's okay to ignore those which one could help? Whatsoever is not of faith is sin if not for grace we would spend every moment confessing.
Thank God for Jesus Christ who paid the price so we have no condemnation in Him.
Conviction of who we are YES!!!
Condemnation? NO
Is there a sliding scale? It's okay to not to commit adultery but it's okay to ignore those which one could help? Whatsoever is not of faith is sin if not for grace we would spend every moment confessing.
Thank God for Jesus Christ who paid the price so we have no condemnation in Him.
Conviction of who we are YES!!!
Condemnation? NO
Please show me the words "forfeited being God's child" or "no longer a child of God." Those who are truly born of God have received a new nature, a divine nature, and they have new and different appetites and desires. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20.
Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome. Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature."
Corruption (Strongs #5356) (to shrivel or wither, spoil , ruin , deprave, corrupt , defile, to destroy by means of corrupting, to spoil as does milk). Corruption - describes decomposition or rotting of an organism and the accompanying stench. The utter depravity of the fallen flesh and the resultant moral decomposition of the world opposed to God is driven by it sinful lusts or evil desires. Internal corruption.
Pollutions/Defilements (Strongs #3393) ("pollutions", "filthy things", "contaminations", "world's filth") describes the state of being tainted or stained by evil and refers to impurity, impure, tainted, defilement, foulness or pollution. Pollutions/Defilement refers to what is on the outside (2 Peter 2:20). But genuine believers have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:4).
Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside.
Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome. Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature."
Corruption (Strongs #5356) (to shrivel or wither, spoil , ruin , deprave, corrupt , defile, to destroy by means of corrupting, to spoil as does milk). Corruption - describes decomposition or rotting of an organism and the accompanying stench. The utter depravity of the fallen flesh and the resultant moral decomposition of the world opposed to God is driven by it sinful lusts or evil desires. Internal corruption.
Pollutions/Defilements (Strongs #3393) ("pollutions", "filthy things", "contaminations", "world's filth") describes the state of being tainted or stained by evil and refers to impurity, impure, tainted, defilement, foulness or pollution. Pollutions/Defilement refers to what is on the outside (2 Peter 2:20). But genuine believers have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:4).
Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside.
Believers are made the righteousness of God in Christ. 1 Cor 5:21.
Believers are going to sin and if we say we don't we lie.
Believers lack the divine ability to judge others as to the salvation they profess. Only God sees the heart. We as believers look for fruit which the Holy Spirit produces. We encourage and exhort but we have no authority to judge the eternal status of another soul.
I have observed that the things we find fault with in others are the things we see in ourselves.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Believers are going to sin and if we say we don't we lie.
Believers lack the divine ability to judge others as to the salvation they profess. Only God sees the heart. We as believers look for fruit which the Holy Spirit produces. We encourage and exhort but we have no authority to judge the eternal status of another soul.
I have observed that the things we find fault with in others are the things we see in ourselves.
For the cause of Christ
Roger