LOVE TO MOVE IN THE OPPOSITE SPIRIT TO A MURDEROUS SPIRIT

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This morning I heard the Lord say that the same murderous spirit that operated between Cain and Abel and Joseph and his brothers has been operating in the body of Christ in this season in a greater way to bring death, division and disunity because the enemy knows that the people of God are about to see inheritances taken in significant ways.

This is a crucial moment to be pressing into the heart of Papa God as greater revelations and impartations of His love are being released and He is purifying and cleansing, healing and restoring hearts. From that place I believe He is calling us to be even more intentional in our love, honor and speaking life over one another.

Any issues of the heart, any offenses, hurts, unforgiveness, bitterness, hatred, as the people of God move forward in repentance and giving the Lord permission to bring healing and freedom, He is performing momentous healing and breakthrough.
I felt the Lord highlighting Proverbs 18:21

Words kill, words give life; they’re either poison or fruit – you choose. (The Message)

I felt the Lord highlighting this murderous spirit is causing false accusations, word curses and poison against many, but we are to move in the opposite spirit. Declare BLESSING, declare LIFE!

The Lord is moving powerfully in connecting His people, bringing greater unity, a further taking of inheritances and open doors to destiny. His LOVE in us and through us is going to disempower this murderous spirit as we move in the opposite spirit… His Spirit!

I felt this as a warning for us as the body of Christ today. The Lord is doing a deep purifying work in hearts and in the body of Christ and one thing that could bring delay is partnering with this spirit through word and action.

He is moving and working to bring us further into John 10:10…LIFE and life AMONGST US!!!

He is calling us to partner with Him!!! He is bringing freedom to any wounds and soul issues where this murderous spirit has landed.
He is bringing healing as we press in and He is bringing His people to a place of moving in celebration and declaring life over one another but we must CHOOSE to partner with Him in choosing to love, forgive, honor, restore and bless, especially those who curse you.

This murderous spirit is stirring up trouble and strife. This spirit is attempting to murder and abort, but greater is HE that is in us than He that is in the world (1 John 4:4) and as we partner with Him, He is bringing His people to a place of moving deeper and further forward into taking their inheritance and new levels of destiny.

“United we stand, divided we fall”… He is asking us to link arms in unity and love, honoring, blessing and embracing one another in the love of Christ even in our differences and uniqueness.

I felt His heart wanting to bring reconciliation and restoration across the body of Christ, the choice is ours as to what we align ourselves in and what spirit we move in.

Let us partner with Him to see a greater move of unity, love, honor, blessing and restoration released across the body of Christ.

Lana Vawser Dec 22/15
 
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The "spirit" of cain or that "spirit" that motivated Josephs brothers ..was in most part jealousy and resistance within the family order to accept Gods idea of true worship and His favor upon those He "elected" to receive His blessings ... The battle in the church has always been between legalism and "flesh" ..and those that walk in the Spirit by grace. I would also add the carnal church that promotes the established order in large part, always uses the guise of peace and fellowship to defend its carnal attitudes.... Don't question..don't test..don't challenge are all used against those that would see true spiritual reform in the body.
 
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Don't question..don't test..don't challenge are all used against those that would see true spiritual reform in the body.
Didn't Jesus say that He would build His church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it? What type of reform would you be looking for?
 
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Didn't Jesus say that He would build His church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it? What type of reform would you be looking for?
Well the "church" is a spiritual body..not a carnal religious group. Many groups call themselves a "church"..but the true church is those that worship God in Spirit and truth.
 
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Sometimes when people "hear" something different then what was traditionally taught in their religious upbringing - they tend to not like having their "sacred cows" questioned....and thus the "fur flies" then....:)

It's good to back everything up with the word of God and of course the word of God cannot be understood naturally which is why we have so many denominations. it is spiritually appraised.

We seem to be a slow lot....us humans....as Jesus told the disciples 14 times He was going to die and when it happened they still didn't believe.

We need the Holy Spirit to reveal Jesus to us in the word!
 
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Does the church need some type of reform? I think so. But I also think the liberal "church" is way past reform, falling away as the scriptures said they would.

When people who call themselves christians show the fruit of being spiritually blind, it usually means their judgement is already taking place. IMO, this backsliding is the last, before the final judgement.

Jude 1:3-23 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. [SUP]12 [/SUP]These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; [SUP]13 [/SUP]Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, [SUP]15 [/SUP]To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. [SUP]16 [/SUP]These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; [SUP]18 [/SUP]How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. [SUP]19 [/SUP]These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, [SUP]21 [/SUP]Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And of some have compassion, making a difference: [SUP]23 [/SUP]And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
 
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It doesn't look good for those unbelievers!!!


Does the church need some type of reform? I think so. But I also think the liberal "church" is way past reform, falling away as the scriptures said they would.

When people who call themselves christians show the fruit of being spiritually blind, it usually means their judgement is already taking place. IMO, this backsliding is the last, before the final judgement.

Jude 1:3-23 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. [SUP]12 [/SUP]These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; [SUP]13 [/SUP]Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, [SUP]15 [/SUP]To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. [SUP]16 [/SUP]These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; [SUP]18 [/SUP]How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. [SUP]19 [/SUP]These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, [SUP]21 [/SUP]Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And of some have compassion, making a difference: [SUP]23 [/SUP]And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
 
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Stephen63...."When people who call themselves christians show the fruit of being spiritually blind, it usually means their judgement is already taking place. IMO,"

I think that a good point and something I have been thinking about ..the reprobate mind that cannot understand good and evil as Christ taught us ...is a form of judgment according to my reading of the passage.
 
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Stephen63...."When people who call themselves christians show the fruit of being spiritually blind, it usually means their judgement is already taking place. IMO,"

I think that a good point and something I have been thinking about ..the reprobate mind that cannot understand good and evil as Christ taught us ...is a form of judgment according to my reading of the passage.
Indeed..... Romans 1.
 

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This morning I heard the Lord say that the same murderous spirit that operated between Cain and Abel and Joseph and his brothers has been operating in the body of Christ in this season in a greater way to bring death, division and disunity because the enemy knows that the people of God are about to see inheritances taken in significant ways.

This is a crucial moment to be pressing into the heart of Papa God as greater revelations and impartations of His love are being released and He is purifying and cleansing, healing and restoring hearts. From that place I believe He is calling us to be even more intentional in our love, honor and speaking life over one another.

Any issues of the heart, any offenses, hurts, unforgiveness, bitterness, hatred, as the people of God move forward in repentance and giving the Lord permission to bring healing and freedom, He is performing momentous healing and breakthrough.
I felt the Lord highlighting Proverbs 18:21

Words kill, words give life; they’re either poison or fruit – you choose. (The Message)

I felt the Lord highlighting this murderous spirit is causing false accusations, word curses and poison against many, but we are to move in the opposite spirit. Declare BLESSING, declare LIFE!

The Lord is moving powerfully in connecting His people, bringing greater unity, a further taking of inheritances and open doors to destiny. His LOVE in us and through us is going to disempower this murderous spirit as we move in the opposite spirit… His Spirit!

I felt this as a warning for us as the body of Christ today. The Lord is doing a deep purifying work in hearts and in the body of Christ and one thing that could bring delay is partnering with this spirit through word and action.

He is moving and working to bring us further into John 10:10…LIFE and life AMONGST US!!!

He is calling us to partner with Him!!! He is bringing freedom to any wounds and soul issues where this murderous spirit has landed.
He is bringing healing as we press in and He is bringing His people to a place
of moving in celebration and declaring life over one another but we must CHOOSE to partner with Him in choosing to love, forgive, honor, restore and bless, especially those who curse you.

This murderous spirit is stirring up trouble and strife. This spirit is attempting to murder and abort, but greater is HE that is in us than He that is in the world (1 John 4:4) and as we partner with Him, He is bringing His people to a place of moving deeper and further forward into taking their inheritance and new levels of destiny.

“United we stand, divided we fall”… He is asking us to link arms in unity and love, honoring, blessing and embracing one another in the love of Christ even in our differences and uniqueness.

I felt His heart wanting to bring reconciliation and restoration across the body of Christ, the choice is ours as to what we align ourselves in and what spirit we move in.

Let us partner with Him to see a greater move of unity, love, honor, blessing and restoration released across the body of Christ.

Lana Vawser Dec 22/15
Is this Lana Vawser person supposedly giving some kind of prophecy or subtle manipulation?
He expects us to follow what 'he feels'? And if we disagree...murderous spirit?
Sorry, can't fall for this hoakieness. I'm not that easily manipulated.

WHO IS LANA VAWSER ANYWAYS??

OIC...
https://lanavawser.com/

Self proclaimed prophetess :rolleyes:
 
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Is this Lana Vawser person supposedly giving some kind of prophecy or subtle manipulation?
He expects us to follow what 'he feels'? And if we disagree...murderous spirit?
Sorry, can't fall for this hoakieness. I'm not that easily manipulated.

WHO IS LANA VAWSER ANYWAYS??

OIC...
https://lanavawser.com/

Self proclaimed prophetess :rolleyes:
I just skimmed 6 articles of hers. Not once did I see the name of Jesus Christ.
She would quote some Scripture (mainly OT) use the title 'Lord', but never or seldom ever use the name Jesus Christ.
My take? New Age gibberish.
 
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So, you feel her exhortations to follow after love and to move in the opposite way are unfounded?...You do realize that God the Father..is our Father and in the original Hebrew all fathers are called Abba...which means "daddy..Papa".

It would seem that the call for the Body of Christ to be in unity and to start honoring and respecting one another is new age gibberish to you?....and this is subtle manipulation to you?....WOW

I realize some because of religious backgrounds do not allow for women teaching men anything from your past posts but this is a bit extreme in judgment..don't you think?

The prophetess thing I haven't seen her name put on by herself but maybe someone else has called her that....at any rate it's irrelevant....it's the same as being called Pastor so and so...or ..Apostle whoever...if people want to call themselves by their office..it's a non-issue with me.

Just to keep the slander and malice to a minimum concerning her - here is her mission call to the Body of Christ.

Lana Vawser’s heart is to encourage believers in deeper intimacy with Him, hearing His voice and deeper revelation of who He is and their inheritance .

Lana Vawser has a heart to encourage the body of Christ and individuals in their walks with Jesus; deeper intimacy with Him; and learning to hear His voice. Lana operates in the prophetic and loves to share the heart of God with others. In 2009, Lana wrote her first book titled “Desperately Deep – Developing Deep Devotion and Dialogue with Jesus”. She is a gifted prophet and teacher, and loves to see others grow in all that God has for them.



I just skimmed 6 articles of hers. Not once did I see the name of Jesus Christ.
She would quote some Scripture (mainly OT) use the title 'Lord', but never or seldom ever use the name Jesus Christ.
My take? New Age gibberish.
 

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So, you feel her exhortations to follow after love and to move in the opposite way are unfounded?...You do realize that God the Father..is our Father and in the original Hebrew all fathers are called Abba...which means "daddy..Papa".

It would seem that the call for the Body of Christ to be in unity and to start honoring and respecting one another is new age gibberish to you?....and this is subtle manipulation to you?....WOW

I realize some because of religious backgrounds do not allow for women teaching men anything from your past posts but this is a bit extreme in judgment..don't you think?

The prophetess thing I haven't seen her name put on by herself but maybe someone else has called her that....at any rate it's irrelevant....it's the same as being called Pastor so and so...or ..Apostle whoever...if people want to call themselves by their office..it's a non-issue with me.

Just to keep the slander and malice to a minimum concerning her - here is her mission call to the Body of Christ.

Lana Vawser’s heart is to encourage believers in deeper intimacy with Him, hearing His voice and deeper revelation of who He is and their inheritance .

Lana Vawser has a heart to encourage the body of Christ and individuals in their walks with Jesus; deeper intimacy with Him; and learning to hear His voice. Lana operates in the prophetic and loves to share the heart of God with others. In 2009, Lana wrote her first book titled “Desperately Deep – Developing Deep Devotion and Dialogue with Jesus”. She is a gifted prophet and teacher, and loves to see others grow in all that God has for them.
Unity at the expense of truth is apostasy.

My upbringing was atheism so I had no religious background.i did spend about 6 years in the New Age before it was New Age...and this is New Age
You do aknowledge the existence of false prophets I hope?

2 Timothy 4:3 KJVS
[3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

It's the truth that unites us around His Word, not mushy feelings of peace and harmony.
 
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Being encouraged to trust in Jesus and to follow Him and walk in unity with our brethren in honor and respect is now New Age?

of course there are false prophets..are there still real ones that encourage the believers to trust in the Lord?

You do know that the purpose of prophecy is to build up the Body of Christ...

1 Corinthians 14:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.



1 Thessalonians 5:19-22 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Do not quench the Spirit;
[SUP]20 [/SUP] do not despise prophetic utterances.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;
[SUP]22 [/SUP] abstain from every form of evil.

Her "evil" was that she used the dreaded false-prophet proving statements like you said here.." mushy feelings of peace and harmony ".

Let's burn her at the stake for uttering such blasphemy!

I'm pretty sure we are allowed to have "feelings"..Jesus did..

Matthew 9:36 (NASB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Seeing the people, He felt compassion for them, because they were distressed and dispirited like sheep without a shepherd.

There are lot's of scriptures depicting the Lord as having emotions. Emotions are not bad "things" within themselves.

Luke 10:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
 

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Being encouraged to trust in Jesus and to follow Him and walk in unity with our brethren in honor and respect is now New Age?

of course there are false prophets..are there still real ones that encourage the believers to trust in the Lord?

You do know that the purpose of prophecy is to build up the Body of Christ...

1 Corinthians 14:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.



1 Thessalonians 5:19-22 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Do not quench the Spirit;
[SUP]20 [/SUP] do not despise prophetic utterances.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;
[SUP]22 [/SUP] abstain from every form of evil.

Her "evil" was that she used the dreaded false-prophet proving statements like you said here.." mushy feelings of peace and harmony ".

Let's burn her at the stake for uttering such blasphemy!

I'm pretty sure we are allowed to have "feelings"..Jesus did..

Matthew 9:36 (NASB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Seeing the people, He felt compassion for them, because they were distressed and dispirited like sheep without a shepherd.

There are lot's of scriptures depicting the Lord as having emotions. Emotions are not bad "things" within themselves.

Luke 10:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Like I said, I didn't see Jesus mentioned in any of her writings.Most were filled with the Lord told me this and gave me a dream etc. etc.
Those aren't prophetic utterances, it;s New Age gibberish.

"It's time for UPGRADE"
There will be a divine UPGRADE in the lives of the Pioneers in 2016. Greater empowerment, greater impartations, greater encounters with His heart, moving into deeper levels of authority, that will see the very things that threatened them in 2015 and almost caused them to give up and going to be steamrolled in 2016. The Pioneers are going to move forward with greater ease, greater flow and take MORE GROUND than they have before.
I saw the Lord "changing the time" on a clock over the Pioneers in 2016. He was accelerating time and a season of DOUBLE DIVINE SUDDENLIES is being ushered in over the Pioneers. In the testing of the heart, testing of obedience and the strengthening of character and intimacy with Him, the Lord is "adding to" the Pioneers in time, resource, breakthrough and refreshed vision.
Pioneers, don't give up, 2016 will see everything fall into place and an extension of time and space for increase, divine suddenlies and turnarounds. The Lord is going to do things in a 24 hour period in and through the lives of the Pioneers in 2016 that is not humanly possible that will restore, refresh and fill the Pioneers with renewed hope, expectation and new levels of faith and they will bring the body of Christ to a whole new level of faith and hopeful, joyful, confident expectation in the timing, ways, vision, goodness and provision of the Lord...Lana Vawser
You call that prophesying? You need some discernment brother.

No one mentioned burning anyone at the stake. False prophets will abound, that's God's department and if you want to continue to be deceived that's between you and the Lord...Good day.
 
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That particular encouragement was for the Pioneers... when you look at all of it...it is a blessing as it is concerning those that are in the forefront of leadership in the Body of Christ. Many people in the forefront of missions are being attacked spiritually and maligned constantly by false brethren..etc. They have to forge the way for others to follow them..like Paul did ..like Luther did..like many others are doing now.

These are words of great encouragement to those in the forefront..." In the testing of the heart, testing of obedience and the strengthening of character and intimacy with Him, the Lord is "adding to" the Pioneers in time, resource, breakthrough and refreshed vision."
 
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1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

You can check that one off the list. :)
 
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LOL...I love how the rest of the scripture is not used.....and completely not in context at all...my goodness I didn't know she was saying not to marry or not to eat certain foods like Paul was warning Timothy about that these seducing spirits and doctrines of devils that is coming....this is a classic mis-use of scripture..lol

I greatly encourage people to read all scripture in context or that "text" will "con" you.

1 Timothy 4:1-5 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away ( apostesontai ) from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

What is going to cause this "falling away" ( apostasy )...people who forbid others to marry...and not to eat certain foods...why is this departing from the faith?...it's in verse 3, 4 and 5.

verse 3 = which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

It's in knowing who you are in Christ - who is the truth and the faith....this not marrying and not eating certain foods to keep yourself "separated" from others..is a form of self-effort and reliance on a D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness mindset.

This is "departing from the faith - apostasy"....... people creating their own righteousness/holiness through their works of the flesh by self-effort...

It has the "appearance " of good but it denies the power to effect real change ...which is Christ in us and His life.

.. man-made religion denying the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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I agree..... prophets that only speak "glad tidings" to the modern liberal church, which is going to Hell in a handbasket, aren't saying what needs to be said. From the OT prophets to John the Baptist to Jesus Himself to the Apostles to the minor prophets that ministered to Paul about his upcoming imprisonment in Jerusalem, ALL spoke truths that would shake some to the core about the spiritual condition of Israel & the church.

Self-proclaimed prophets today claim authority from God while telling the First Church of the Frigidaire that God is pleased with them & great blessings are coming.

Amos 3:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the LORD done it? [SUP]7 [/SUP]Surely the Lord GOD does nothing Unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets.

How many of these "profits" have said ANYTHING about the abominations happening right now before our eyes?
 
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Does the church need some type of reform? I think so. But I also think the liberal "church" is way past reform, falling away as the scriptures said they would.

When people who call themselves christians show the fruit of being spiritually blind, it usually means their judgement is already taking place. IMO, this backsliding is the last, before the final judgement.

Jude 1:3-23 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. [SUP]12 [/SUP]These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; [SUP]13 [/SUP]Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, [SUP]15 [/SUP]To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. [SUP]16 [/SUP]These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; [SUP]18 [/SUP]How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. [SUP]19 [/SUP]These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, [SUP]21 [/SUP]Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And of some have compassion, making a difference: [SUP]23 [/SUP]And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Does the word laodecia ring any bells?