ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED, HYPER GRACE, ETERNAL SECURITY = FALSE DOCTRINE PROVEN!

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I routinely say that such people don't exist and you routinely say that they do. I'm calling you out on your hyperbole nonsense. Glad we can finally both agree that such people don't exist. And to which distortion are you referring. I don't hide from anything. I seek the Truth, and when I need to be corrected I am corrected with great joy and gladness. So if you feel I dodged anything or distorted anything, bring the specifics to my attention and I will address it.
Show me my posts where I routinely write christians exist who murder, rape, forgot the other one.
You have made the accusation, now please bring the proof you are not lying
 
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I routinely say that such people don't exist and you routinely say that they do. I'm calling you out on your hyperbole nonsense. Glad we can finally both agree that such people don't exist. And to which distortion are you referring. I don't hide from anything. I seek the Truth, and when I need to be corrected I am corrected with great joy and gladness. So if you feel I dodged anything or distorted anything, bring the specifics to my attention and I will address it.
I asked you if people who raped and murdered while professing christians could attain heaven.
I will await you bringing posts oc mine to back up your accusations
 

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Keeping in mind that truth is only available to those who are willing to question what they believe. Very, very few here are willing to do that, and instead hold unyielding to their beliefs like a marine holds a hill... firing upon anyone who dares challenge it.
Phil 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

Shall the gospel be compromised?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Phil 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

Shall the gospel be compromised?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Compromise the gospel - never

Correct what's in your head - always
 
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Can we all agree to stop this nonsense of trying to offend each other. I have been guilty myself. Utah is guilty with the statement blah, blah, blah. Can we please attempt to bring each other closer to the the Truth?
I'm guilty of many of things, and blah, blah, blah is one of them. Blah, blah, blah is my signature statement around here and isn't going anywhere. That said however, its good to see you taking part in an act of righteousness for a change. Keep up the good work.
 
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Keeping in mind that truth is only available to those who are willing to question what they believe. Very, very few here are willing to do that, and instead hold unyielding to their beliefs like a marine holds a hill... firing upon anyone who dares challenge it.
That's why I like the guy who shared post #531. He's cool; and regardless of whether he's offering comfort to those in need or slaying Pharisees, he's always seeking the Truth. :cool:
 
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Show me my posts where I routinely write christians exist who murder, rape, forgot the other one.
You have made the accusation, now please bring the proof you are not lying
Your constant hyperbole nonsense is annoying at best. I need not look beyond post #198, but if I did, I'd find more than just your one reference. Always the negative; always the buzzkill.

Why not share the Gospel with love and confidence rather than brimstone and fear.

The word Gospel means Good News. Embrace it for what it is -- Good News.
 
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Your constant hyperbole nonsense is annoying at best. I need not look beyond post #198, but if I did, I'd find more than just your one reference. Always the negative; always the buzzkill.

Why not share the Gospel with love and confidence rather than brimstone and fear.

The word Gospel means Good News. Embrace it for what it is -- Good News.
I see, so you cannot produce any post of mine where I have stated people who murder and rape are christians.

I am glad we have sorted that out.

I forgive you for lying about what I am supposed to have stated.
God bless
 
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Hi James...did you have a good Christmas?


I see, so you cannot produce any post of mine where I have stated people who murder and rape are christians.

I am glad we have sorted that out.

I forgive you for lying about what I am supposed to have stated.
God bless
 
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Your constant hyperbole nonsense is annoying at best. I need not look beyond post #198, but if I did, I'd find more than just your one reference. Always the negative; always the buzzkill.

Why not share the Gospel with love and confidence rather than brimstone and fear.

The word Gospel means Good News. Embrace it for what it is -- Good News.
What is fruit? It is our doctrine and what we believe and apply. It is not being "sweet and nice", its truth.

By their fruit/doctrine you will know them. You are a Brother and I would stake my eternal life on it.

Keep on bringing the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ Brother. It is much appreciated by some.
 
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Hi James...did you have a good Christmas?
I was on my own Thi Christmas. As i was I needed to pass time during the break, so rejoined the site for the eigth time lol to pass Tim over the holiday. Holiday is now over, so it I Tim to leave again. I find being on these sites stops your spiritual growth if you spend a lot of tine on them.
But I just want to point something out to you if I may. Anyone who spends great amounts of Tim on websites such as these is the third example in the parable of the sower, not the fourth. If they were the fourth they would be out in the real world bringing in a bountiful harvest wouldn't they.
You are not a bad chap at all, its just in your hyper exuberance you like to think you and a small handful of others understands the gospel message to a degree no one else does. I understand in light of Thi you only want a slanted half message as it were. Indeed, I used to be just the same.

But lastly, I want to sincerely thank you. For you have brought home to mw in a most real way, the whole of the message must be preached, not just parts of it in a hyper way so we feel we have truth few others know. Indeed, as I gave read your posts I have much reflected I used to be so much like you. I am glad I now accept all of the message ra tye get than what i did previously
Well good luck for the future, I am sure we will sometime meet again.
Can you tell the mod sz I am supposed to be indefinitely banned. It will save ne doing it
God bless
 
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BTW grace
My lasting impression of the grace camp will be how earnestly they kept stressing only the new man mattered, not sin in the flesh.
How much they kept stressing the amount a Christian sins has no bearing on their eternal security.
I have to admit, going to such great lengths to stress this drew me to a certain conclusion.
But then, if the basics of salvational belief are stressed but not the obligation in the christian life, where does that leave people who only follow what they only preach so earnestly?

You need the whole message to grow
Heck you could read the literal letter of the bible through fifty times, gain much head knowledge and know little spiritual truth Tha mattered couldn't you. The people of Jesus day who knew the literal letter inside out prove that.
I don't believe you are a Pharisee btw, just someone who never matured in the faith. Neither have I as I should, Tha is why I ended up on these kinds of websites
 
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All is well my friend!!!..The Lord is good and His mercy endures forever..He is a good, loving Father and we have a great salvation in Christ our Lord!

Bless you brother as you continue on in the grace of our Lord jesus!


I was on my own Thi Christmas. As i was I needed to pass time during the break, so rejoined the site for the eigth time lol to pass Tim over the holiday. Holiday is now over, so it I Tim to leave again. I find being on these sites stops your spiritual growth if you spend a lot of tine on them.
But I just want to point something out to you if I may. Anyone who spends great amounts of Tim on websites such as these is the third example in the parable of the sower, not the fourth. If they were the fourth they would be out in the real world bringing in a bountiful harvest wouldn't they.
You are not a bad chap at all, its just in your hyper exuberance you like to think you and a small handful of others understands the gospel message to a degree no one else does. I understand in light of Thi you only want a slanted half message as it were. Indeed, I used to be just the same.

But lastly, I want to sincerely thank you. For you have brought home to mw in a most real way, the whole of the message must be preached, not just parts of it in a hyper way so we feel we have truth few others know. Indeed, as I gave read your posts I have much reflected I used to be so much like you. I am glad I now accept all of the message ra tye get than what i did previously
Well good luck for the future, I am sure we will sometime meet again.
Can you tell the mod sz I am supposed to be indefinitely banned. It will save ne doing it
God bless
 
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God's grace and love must be preached and taught in its fullness !!!

We can not only preach half the message and leave the other untaught, and love does not always come in the form of soothing words we want to hear.

That is what the itching ears doctrines do that lead people astray, they say things to lead people to think they don't have to change and what they are doing is acceptable. Therefore they follow after the lie !!!

God's grace has two sides in its teaching:

A) His love and mercy

B) The warnings about continuous deliberate sinning (fire and brimstone)

We should not preach and teach one without the other, we need to give a balance of both !!!
 
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BTW grace
My lasting impression of the grace camp will be how earnestly they kept stressing only the new man mattered, not sin in the flesh.
How much they kept stressing the amount a Christian sins has no bearing on their eternal security.
I have to admit, going to such great lengths to stress this drew me to a certain conclusion.
But then, if the basics of salvational belief are stressed but not the obligation in the christian life, where does that leave people who only follow what they only preach so earnestly?

You need the whole message to grow
Heck you could read the literal letter of the bible through fifty times, gain much head knowledge and know little spiritual truth Tha mattered couldn't you. The people of Jesus day who knew the literal letter inside out prove that.
I don't believe you are a Pharisee btw, just someone who never matured in the faith. Neither have I as I should, Tha is why I ended up on these kinds of websites
We can't live the Christian way of life apart from being saved. Salvation...........then the Christian way of life.

We can't know spiritual truth apart from being saved, Salvation..........then Spiritual truth.


As unbelievers we can only understand the Gospel. Which is salvation for men. We can go absolutely, positively no further than that apart from being Born-again.


We NEED the Spirit to grow, no Spirit no salvation,....no salvation no growth.
 
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We can't live the Christian way of life apart from being saved. Salvation...........then the Christian way of life.

We can't know spiritual truth apart from being saved, Salvation..........then Spiritual truth.


As unbelievers we can only understand the Gospel. Which is salvation for men. We can go absolutely, positively no further than that apart from being Born-again.


We NEED the Spirit to grow, no Spirit no salvation,....no salvation no growth.
Why do you think people who know the literal letter inside out are on the internet for vast amounts of time rather than utilising what they have read to seek lost souls in the world?

In my case it I because many years ago I did not do what God wanted me to do. I did what I wanted, not what God wanted me to do. Because of that I never matured un the faith as I should have done.
That's me honestly giving my reason
 
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I see, so you cannot produce any post of mine where I have stated people who murder and rape are christians.

I am glad we have sorted that out.

I forgive you for lying about what I am supposed to have stated.
God bless
Glad to see you rejoined this site under an assumed name, preached heresy that smacks Jesus in the face, and all the while acting the fool. By your fruit you are known, James.

You're an oxymoron -- a proud coward who can't admit he's wrong, can't fess up when called out on your heretical hyperbole nonsense, and yet more importantly, you're too proud and cowardly to give thanks to God for the free gift He has given. That's astonishing!

Have a good night, James, I mean, Coward.
 
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Why do you think people who know the literal letter inside out are on the internet for vast amounts of time rather than utilising what they have read to seek lost souls in the world?

In my case it I because many years ago I did not do what God wanted me to do. I did what I wanted, not what God wanted me to do. Because of that I never matured un the faith as I should have done.
That's me honestly giving my reason
God wants you to preach hyperbole heresy? That's a good one. Tell us more.