The Heresy of Worshiptainment

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epostle

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There seems to be developing in Evangelical circles a deep longing for reverence and meaningful worship. Here is the whole article, (my words in italics).

The great heresy of the church today is that we think we’re in the entertainment business. A.W. Tozer believed this to be true back in the 1950s and 60s. Church members “want to be entertained while they are edified.” He said that in 1962. Tozer grieved, even then, that it was “scarcely possible in most places to get anyone to attend a meeting where the only attraction was God.”*
More recently, David Platt has asked: “What if we take away the cool music and the cushioned chairs? What if the screens are gone and the stage is no longer decorated? What if the air conditioning is off and the comforts are removed? Would His Word still be enough for his people to come together?” (Radical)

Would it be enough?

Tozer got it right: “Heresy of method may be as deadly as heresy of message.”

HALLOWEDNESS, NOT SHALLOWNESS

Like Tozer, we should be concerned that so many people in our churches want to be entertained while they worship. We should be concerned when we no longer recognize the difference between the two. And we should be concerned by the growing belief that adding more entertainment value to worship is necessary for the church to accomplish its mission.

I may stand alone, but it grieves me when I see worship services characterized more by props, performances, and pep rally atmospheres than by any sense of divine sacredness; and hallowedness giving way to shallowness.
This is not about worship styles. The issue is not traditional versus contemporary versus blended worship. It’s not about organ versus worship band. That discussion misses the point completely. This is about the heart and focus and intent of worship. The real issues, for me, are these:

1. Who or what is the spotlight really on?
If the figurative spotlight in our church services is on anyone other than God, it is not worship. If the spotlight shines brighter on human performance than on the gospel of Christ, it is not worship. If anyone other than Jesus is receiving our adulation and applause, it is not God we worship.

2. What message are we communicating?
The message of the church—the message the world needs to hear from us—is not, “Come and have a good time,” “Come and be entertained,” or “Come and find your best life now.”

Tozer said: “Christ calls men to carry a cross; we call them to have fun in His name.”
The message of the church is the message of the cross. Lest we forget, Jesus’ cross was a source of entertainment only for those who mocked Him as He hung on it.

3. How are lives changed?
“But our methods are attracting and winning people!” some will say.

Tozer addressed that sentiment: “Winning them to what? To true discipleship? To cross-carrying? To self-denial? To separation from the world? To crucifixion of the flesh? To holy living? To nobility of character? To a despising of the world’s treasures? To hard self-discipline? To love for God? To total committal to Christ?”

THE WORD DOES THE WORK

David Platt and the church he pastored, The Church at Brook Hills, decided to try to answer the question, “Is His Word still enough for His people to come together?” They stripped away the entertainment value and invited people to come simply to study God’s Word. They called it Secret Church. They set a date—on a Friday night—when they would gather from 6:00 in the evening until midnight, and for six hours they would do nothing but study God’s Word and pray. People came. A thousand people came the first time and it grew from that. Soon, they had to start taking reservations because the church was packed full. Secret Church now draws tens of thousands of people via simulcast in over 50 countries around the world—with no entertainment, no bells and whistles or smoke machines.
Why do they come? Platt explained in an interview: “People are hungry for the Word. There’s really nothing special or creative about it. It’s just the study of the Word …. The Word itself does the work!”

People are hungry. They are hungry for a diet of substance, not candy. More of the Word. Deeper into the Word. Less of what Tozer called “religious toys and trifles.”

The heresy of worshiptainment | Mike Livingstone
 
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Gee, and I thought the great heresy in the church today was God doesn't matter.
 

santuzza

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This is so weird -- my hubby just printed off this blog for me to read!

Great piece, IMHO!
 

Joidevivre

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Some minister to us through their music. And we do get caught up in the beauty, harmonies, etc. Sometimes it comforts us, and there is a place for them.

But some have an anointing to be worship leaders. The best team I ever saw had their backs to the congregation and faced the cross behind them. They only worshiped simply, and everyone was draw into a sense of the Lord's presence and worship seemed to be so rich. Faces were not seen - just a unity of praise and worship.

I think Tozer would have liked this.
 

gb9

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Jan 18, 2011
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There seems to be developing in Evangelical circles a deep longing for reverence and meaningful worship. Here is the whole article, (my words in italics).

The great heresy of the church today is that we think we’re in the entertainment business. A.W. Tozer believed this to be true back in the 1950s and 60s. Church members “want to be entertained while they are edified.” He said that in 1962. Tozer grieved, even then, that it was “scarcely possible in most places to get anyone to attend a meeting where the only attraction was God.”*
More recently, David Platt has asked: “What if we take away the cool music and the cushioned chairs? What if the screens are gone and the stage is no longer decorated? What if the air conditioning is off and the comforts are removed? Would His Word still be enough for his people to come together?” (Radical)

Would it be enough?

Tozer got it right: “Heresy of method may be as deadly as heresy of message.”

HALLOWEDNESS, NOT SHALLOWNESS

Like Tozer, we should be concerned that so many people in our churches want to be entertained while they worship. We should be concerned when we no longer recognize the difference between the two. And we should be concerned by the growing belief that adding more entertainment value to worship is necessary for the church to accomplish its mission.

I may stand alone, but it grieves me when I see worship services characterized more by props, performances, and pep rally atmospheres than by any sense of divine sacredness; and hallowedness giving way to shallowness.
This is not about worship styles. The issue is not traditional versus contemporary versus blended worship. It’s not about organ versus worship band. That discussion misses the point completely. This is about the heart and focus and intent of worship. The real issues, for me, are these:

1. Who or what is the spotlight really on?
If the figurative spotlight in our church services is on anyone other than God, it is not worship. If the spotlight shines brighter on human performance than on the gospel of Christ, it is not worship. If anyone other than Jesus is receiving our adulation and applause, it is not God we worship.

2. What message are we communicating?
The message of the church—the message the world needs to hear from us—is not, “Come and have a good time,” “Come and be entertained,” or “Come and find your best life now.”

Tozer said: “Christ calls men to carry a cross; we call them to have fun in His name.”
The message of the church is the message of the cross. Lest we forget, Jesus’ cross was a source of entertainment only for those who mocked Him as He hung on it.

3. How are lives changed?
“But our methods are attracting and winning people!” some will say.

Tozer addressed that sentiment: “Winning them to what? To true discipleship? To cross-carrying? To self-denial? To separation from the world? To crucifixion of the flesh? To holy living? To nobility of character? To a despising of the world’s treasures? To hard self-discipline? To love for God? To total committal to Christ?”

THE WORD DOES THE WORK

David Platt and the church he pastored, The Church at Brook Hills, decided to try to answer the question, “Is His Word still enough for His people to come together?” They stripped away the entertainment value and invited people to come simply to study God’s Word. They called it Secret Church. They set a date—on a Friday night—when they would gather from 6:00 in the evening until midnight, and for six hours they would do nothing but study God’s Word and pray. People came. A thousand people came the first time and it grew from that. Soon, they had to start taking reservations because the church was packed full. Secret Church now draws tens of thousands of people via simulcast in over 50 countries around the world—with no entertainment, no bells and whistles or smoke machines.
Why do they come? Platt explained in an interview: “People are hungry for the Word. There’s really nothing special or creative about it. It’s just the study of the Word …. The Word itself does the work!”

People are hungry. They are hungry for a diet of substance, not candy. More of the Word. Deeper into the Word. Less of what Tozer called “religious toys and trifles.”

The heresy of worshiptainment | Mike Livingstone
yea, yea whatever. let me flip this around : man, how terrible is it for young people to want to go to church, be around Godly people, hear God's word, worship through music. I wish people would stop worshiping their traditions and start worshiping the Living God. go read what Christ said about new wine, old wineskins and think about this.
 

Stunnedbygrace

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Nov 12, 2015
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#6
There seems to be developing in Evangelical circles a deep longing for reverence and meaningful worship. Here is the whole article, (my words in italics).

The great heresy of the church today is that we think we’re in the entertainment business. A.W. Tozer believed this to be true back in the 1950s and 60s. Church members “want to be entertained while they are edified.” He said that in 1962. Tozer grieved, even then, that it was “scarcely possible in most places to get anyone to attend a meeting where the only attraction was God.”*
More recently, David Platt has asked: “What if we take away the cool music and the cushioned chairs? What if the screens are gone and the stage is no longer decorated? What if the air conditioning is off and the comforts are removed? Would His Word still be enough for his people to come together?” (Radical)

Would it be enough?

Tozer got it right: “Heresy of method may be as deadly as heresy of message.”

HALLOWEDNESS, NOT SHALLOWNESS

Like Tozer, we should be concerned that so many people in our churches want to be entertained while they worship. We should be concerned when we no longer recognize the difference between the two. And we should be concerned by the growing belief that adding more entertainment value to worship is necessary for the church to accomplish its mission.

I may stand alone, but it grieves me when I see worship services characterized more by props, performances, and pep rally atmospheres than by any sense of divine sacredness; and hallowedness giving way to shallowness.
This is not about worship styles. The issue is not traditional versus contemporary versus blended worship. It’s not about organ versus worship band. That discussion misses the point completely. This is about the heart and focus and intent of worship. The real issues, for me, are these:

1. Who or what is the spotlight really on?
If the figurative spotlight in our church services is on anyone other than God, it is not worship. If the spotlight shines brighter on human performance than on the gospel of Christ, it is not worship. If anyone other than Jesus is receiving our adulation and applause, it is not God we worship.

2. What message are we communicating?
The message of the church—the message the world needs to hear from us—is not, “Come and have a good time,” “Come and be entertained,” or “Come and find your best life now.”

Tozer said: “Christ calls men to carry a cross; we call them to have fun in His name.”
The message of the church is the message of the cross. Lest we forget, Jesus’ cross was a source of entertainment only for those who mocked Him as He hung on it.

3. How are lives changed?
“But our methods are attracting and winning people!” some will say.

Tozer addressed that sentiment: “Winning them to what? To true discipleship? To cross-carrying? To self-denial? To separation from the world? To crucifixion of the flesh? To holy living? To nobility of character? To a despising of the world’s treasures? To hard self-discipline? To love for God? To total committal to Christ?”

THE WORD DOES THE WORK

David Platt and the church he pastored, The Church at Brook Hills, decided to try to answer the question, “Is His Word still enough for His people to come together?” They stripped away the entertainment value and invited people to come simply to study God’s Word. They called it Secret Church. They set a date—on a Friday night—when they would gather from 6:00 in the evening until midnight, and for six hours they would do nothing but study God’s Word and pray. People came. A thousand people came the first time and it grew from that. Soon, they had to start taking reservations because the church was packed full. Secret Church now draws tens of thousands of people via simulcast in over 50 countries around the world—with no entertainment, no bells and whistles or smoke machines.
Why do they come? Platt explained in an interview: “People are hungry for the Word. There’s really nothing special or creative about it. It’s just the study of the Word …. The Word itself does the work!”

People are hungry. They are hungry for a diet of substance, not candy. More of the Word. Deeper into the Word. Less of what Tozer called “religious toys and trifles.”

The heresy of worshiptainment | Mike Livingstone
Thank you for this post. Every time I read Tozer I wish he were still alive so I could go to his church. I have not found a church that ever teaches about any of the things in #3 of your above post. If I found one, I'd be there an hour early every Sunday!
 

Dude653

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No air conditioning? Nah, I'm good.
 
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Originally Posted by epostle . :
"Who or what is the spotlight really on?If the figurative spotlight in our church services is on anyone other than God, it is not worship. If the spotlight shines brighter on human performance than on the gospel of Christ, it is not worship. If anyone other than Jesus is receiving our adulation and applause, it is not God we worship."
GEE! You mean like the catholic 'mary' and the pope?
 

Dude653

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I got up and walked out of my own church one day. We had a guest speaker who I felt was way too extra. Honestly I don't know why my Pastor even let her get up and speak. There was nothing about God in her message she was just there to put on a show... so just when I thought her antics weren't annoying enough, she calls the pastor's wife up to read scriptures but everytime sister Webb try to read a scripture this lady would interrupt her. It was just ridiculous
 
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kaylagrl

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Some minister to us through their music. And we do get caught up in the beauty, harmonies, etc. Sometimes it comforts us, and there is a place for them.

But some have an anointing to be worship leaders. The best team I ever saw had their backs to the congregation and faced the cross behind them. They only worshiped simply, and everyone was draw into a sense of the Lord's presence and worship seemed to be so rich. Faces were not seen - just a unity of praise and worship.

I think Tozer would have liked this.

Absolutely agree,great post!
 

Dude653

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Also when you play on people's emotions and get them excited, they are more likely to dig into their pockets and give. The preacher gets up before the congregation and does nothing but shout and jump around and talk vague irrelevant stuff.... I'm sitting there in my seat thinking.... this man has been up there for 45 minutes shouting and making noise but hasn't said anything of substance yet...... and then at the end of it they asked us to sow into this man of God... no thanks, I'll sow this money into my cable bill instead since he was just up there to entertain us
 

Joidevivre

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But, yet, when all is said and done, no matter how the worship goes - with explosions or with confetti - if it draws people to gather together as believers, and they hear something in the message that reaches their hearts, so be it.

Five minutes of work upon their soul by the Holy Spirit is worth it all.

And praise our Lord who meets us where we are. Even in the midst of imperfect worship.
 

Dude653

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I agreed with this article for the most part but air conditioning?.... last summer I visited a local church for their pastors appreciation day. It was 110 degrees that day and they did not have the air conditioner on. I stayed about 5 minutes and left
 
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yea, yea whatever. let me flip this around : man, how terrible is it for young people to want to go to church, be around Godly people, hear God's word, worship through music. I wish people would stop worshiping their traditions and start worshiping the Living God. go read what Christ said about new wine, old wineskins and think about this.
No, No, No!
They are going straight to Hell if they do not worship exactly as the church in the 1800's did! ( Or, was that the 1600's? Or maybe 200 AD?)
 

Dude653

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Anyone remember a rap group called Three six Mafia? One of the former members, named Mr del is a minister now. He visits my church about once a year or so.. things like this are a good way to reach teenagers. I would love to have a chance to sit and talk to him one day I bet he has a lot of stories to tell
 
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Also when you play on people's emotions and get them excited, they are more likely to dig into their pockets and give. The preacher gets up before the congregation and does nothing but shout and jump around and talk vague irrelevant stuff.... I'm sitting there in my seat thinking.... this man has been up there for 45 minutes shouting and making noise but hasn't said anything of substance yet...... and then at the end of it they asked us to sow into this man of God... no thanks, I'll sow this money into my cable bill instead since he was just up there to entertain us
So, maybe I missed it, but why did you say you attend there?