Vote on Obsession with confession(1st John 1:9,sin confession)
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If we live according to the flesh..we will reap death in this life..but that is not God doing it..
Romans 8:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh—
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Jesus cleanses us by His word..
Ephesians 5:25-27 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,
[SUP]26 [/SUP] so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,
[SUP]27 [/SUP] that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.
Our earthly fathers discipline our flesh..our heavenly Father deals with our spirit with the word.
Hebrews 12:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?
If we persist to live in the flesh...we can be destroyed by living according to the flesh...and by
Romans 8:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh—
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Jesus cleanses us by His word..
Ephesians 5:25-27 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,
[SUP]26 [/SUP] so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,
[SUP]27 [/SUP] that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.
Our earthly fathers discipline our flesh..our heavenly Father deals with our spirit with the word.
Hebrews 12:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?
If we persist to live in the flesh...we can be destroyed by living according to the flesh...and by
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Paul in Romans 8 was not talking about physical death !!!
He was talking about eternal life and spiritual death in the lake of fire...........
Walking by the sinful flesh leads to God's judgment and a fiery indignation of the lake of fire...........
Walking by the Spirit leads to eternal life through Christ...........
He was talking about eternal life and spiritual death in the lake of fire...........
Walking by the sinful flesh leads to God's judgment and a fiery indignation of the lake of fire...........
Walking by the Spirit leads to eternal life through Christ...........
I wish I had of quoted all of the parable of the sower.
Perfectly is now the new standard, undefined definition of the difference between righteousness and sin.
Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.
2 Cor 7:1
The law of the Lord is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy, making wise the simple.
Psalm 19:7
If we walk as to the law we walk in perfection.
The higher standard undefined and impossible, is just like the pharisees defining and redefining Gods intention to a level that was absurd.
Now I am called a pharisee for discussing what is actual sin, and what is walking in love, with a clear conscience.
This is exactly what I read Paul and the apostles doing in the letters they wrote.
So if I am doing wrong so are they. If they are wrong so is their faith. If this is wrong the people saying these things are not following Jesus.
Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.
2 Cor 7:1
The law of the Lord is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy, making wise the simple.
Psalm 19:7
If we walk as to the law we walk in perfection.
The higher standard undefined and impossible, is just like the pharisees defining and redefining Gods intention to a level that was absurd.
Now I am called a pharisee for discussing what is actual sin, and what is walking in love, with a clear conscience.
This is exactly what I read Paul and the apostles doing in the letters they wrote.
So if I am doing wrong so are they. If they are wrong so is their faith. If this is wrong the people saying these things are not following Jesus.
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All sin is missing the mark, and the mark is the perfect character of God. If you miss the mark by an inch or a mile, it makes no difference, any miss is sin. If you were to attempt to jump across a mile deep ravine, it wouldn't matter if you missed the other side by an inch or a yard, you will be just as dead either way. And ALL have fallen short.
All sin is missing the mark, and the mark is the perfect character of God. If you miss the mark by an inch or a mile, it makes no difference, any miss is sin. If you were to attempt to jump across a mile deep ravine, it wouldn't matter if you missed the other side by an inch or a yard, you will be just as dead either way. And ALL have fallen short.
Skimming over the OP , I found that there is a misrepresentation of the word “we” in I John.
The word “we” as use all throughout the writings of 1John never relates to the Gnostic teachers but the believers. Apostle John is nowhere to exclude himself in this “we” being among many eyewitnesses to the “Word of life.” The theme of 1 John is fellowship and he is writing to the believers to combat specific threat to that fellowship which may influence some and may cause sorrow in the church so that John wrote that their “…joy may be full.”
1 John 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
The threat is the Gnostic movement prevalent during the time of Apostle John. Context -preceding verses, the following chapters, the whole book of I John “we” is being referred to believers. Similar assertion for the use of the word “we” is also found in Galatian 1:8 where Paul is battling Legalism.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gnostic teachers are describes by Apostle John as follows:
a. seducers
1 John 2:26 “These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.”
b. anti-Christ (against the teaching of Christ)
I John 2:18 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”
c. Liars
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
d. Deceivers
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
e. spirit of anti Christ
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
f. worldly teachers
1 John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
g. spirit of error
1 john 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Further, Apostle John used the word “they” in 1 John 2:19, rather than using the word “we” in reference to the Gnostics.
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”
The word “we” as use all throughout the writings of 1John never relates to the Gnostic teachers but the believers. Apostle John is nowhere to exclude himself in this “we” being among many eyewitnesses to the “Word of life.” The theme of 1 John is fellowship and he is writing to the believers to combat specific threat to that fellowship which may influence some and may cause sorrow in the church so that John wrote that their “…joy may be full.”
1 John 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
The threat is the Gnostic movement prevalent during the time of Apostle John. Context -preceding verses, the following chapters, the whole book of I John “we” is being referred to believers. Similar assertion for the use of the word “we” is also found in Galatian 1:8 where Paul is battling Legalism.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gnostic teachers are describes by Apostle John as follows:
a. seducers
1 John 2:26 “These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.”
b. anti-Christ (against the teaching of Christ)
I John 2:18 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”
c. Liars
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
d. Deceivers
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
e. spirit of anti Christ
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
f. worldly teachers
1 John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
g. spirit of error
1 john 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Further, Apostle John used the word “they” in 1 John 2:19, rather than using the word “we” in reference to the Gnostics.
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”
Yep..an editorial "we"..
If "we" in America do not receive Jesus as our Lord we will die without Him. When I said that sentence....does that mean I have not received Jesus? "We" all have to acknowledge that "we" all have sins and need to get cleansed from unrighteousness.
The "we" is an all inclusive term...as in all people in general..
...same "we" in 1 John 1:8-9
If "we" in America do not receive Jesus as our Lord we will die without Him. When I said that sentence....does that mean I have not received Jesus? "We" all have to acknowledge that "we" all have sins and need to get cleansed from unrighteousness.
The "we" is an all inclusive term...as in all people in general..
...same "we" in 1 John 1:8-9
