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Vidy

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And to VW, I know what you mean. Her parents are very strange people, and they're strange enough that it creeps you out, but not quite strange enough for you to be able to tell them why without them having some semi-logical way of defending themselves, so I just let it go a majority of the time =P

And yeah, I looked up... what was it, 1 Cor:7 or 1 Cor:11?... It talks about relationships, and even though it's only Paul speaking, he hits an important topic- Your relationship with your spouse DEFINITELY affects your relationship with God... And yes, it will detract time spent with God, but on the other hand, it gives you someone to help build you up in God, but Paul apparently felt that the gain of having a spouse wasn't enough to cover the loss from God =P If I'm remembering that passage right of course, I don't have it in front of me.


And for a few more personal feelings- I'm ready to go into a commitment, even if marriage is on hold for 3.5+ years, and the only reason I'm not is because of these things... Uncertainty is being forced upon me, not just by her parents but by society, and it's really hurting me. I can take it, because it's not THAT bad and not really getting worse, but it's the kind of nagging pain you get sometimes, ya know? ^_^ Kinda how society is in a horrible sin-driven state, and there's not much you can do most of the time, and sometimes the thought hurts =(
 

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And to VW, I know what you mean. Her parents are very strange people, and they're strange enough that it creeps you out, but not quite strange enough for you to be able to tell them why without them having some semi-logical way of defending themselves, so I just let it go a majority of the time =P

And yeah, I looked up... what was it, 1 Cor:7 or 1 Cor:11?... It talks about relationships, and even though it's only Paul speaking, he hits an important topic- Your relationship with your spouse DEFINITELY affects your relationship with God... And yes, it will detract time spent with God, but on the other hand, it gives you someone to help build you up in God, but Paul apparently felt that the gain of having a spouse wasn't enough to cover the loss from God =P If I'm remembering that passage right of course, I don't have it in front of me.


And for a few more personal feelings- I'm ready to go into a commitment, even if marriage is on hold for 3.5+ years, and the only reason I'm not is because of these things... Uncertainty is being forced upon me, not just by her parents but by society, and it's really hurting me. I can take it, because it's not THAT bad and not really getting worse, but it's the kind of nagging pain you get sometimes, ya know? ^_^ Kinda how society is in a horrible sin-driven state, and there's not much you can do most of the time, and sometimes the thought hurts =(
Yes, I do know. My prayers for you.

P.S. When I pray for someone, I only lift them up in my heart to the Lord. I do not have anywhere near enough wisdom to know what to pray for your situation, only that the Lord's will be done. Hang in there, God has seen what is coming and has provided perfectly for us in all things. I am convinced that He is more than able to meet all of our needs in Christ Jesus.
 
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Yes, I do know. My prayers for you.

P.S. When I pray for someone, I only lift them up in my heart to the Lord. I do not have anywhere near enough wisdom to know what to pray for your situation, only that the Lord's will be done. Hang in there, God has seen what is coming and has provided perfectly for us in all things. I am convinced that He is more than able to meet all of our needs in Christ Jesus.
Thanks ^_^ Recently I've been trying to seek God myself, though the parents in my life, though they're trying to help, really aren't doing a good job, and I'm uncomfortable sharing my opinions with them. My dad (who's a preacher) makes us do a family devotion every morning, and my girlfriend's parents are implying that I better become super-Godly or else... And it's really pushing me away from the desire to learn about God, even though I still know I should =(

Anyway, I've started to read verses that become relevant in my life (I'm not into reading the entire Bible since there's a bunch of stuff that's irrelevant, and reading's kinda boring and also kills desire). I've also started a devotion with my girlfriend about relationships in an attempt to incorporate God more into our relationship. I've been going to ungodly forums less (like Yahoo! Answers, it's a HORRIBLE place), and moved to ChristianChat more. I pray on occasion, though I definitely need improvement there. A lot of my gf's parents' concerns come from the assumption that I've lived "under my parent's wing" and haven't ever had real choices, though both her and my parents know very little about choices I could have made, and they're not GOING to know either lol. I don't have anything to worry about there, since I sincerely believe the desire for God will definitely skyrocket once I'm OUT from under my parents =P

Meh, I'm probably getting way off topic and a little too personal here, but I'm not giving enough info for someone to come hurt me, and what better way to share feelings than to a Godly, anonymous, uninvolved source? =P
 

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Thanks ^_^ Recently I've been trying to seek God myself, though the parents in my life, though they're trying to help, really aren't doing a good job, and I'm uncomfortable sharing my opinions with them. My dad (who's a preacher) makes us do a family devotion every morning, and my girlfriend's parents are implying that I better become super-Godly or else... And it's really pushing me away from the desire to learn about God, even though I still know I should =(

Anyway, I've started to read verses that become relevant in my life (I'm not into reading the entire Bible since there's a bunch of stuff that's irrelevant, and reading's kinda boring and also kills desire). I've also started a devotion with my girlfriend about relationships in an attempt to incorporate God more into our relationship. I've been going to ungodly forums less (like Yahoo! Answers, it's a HORRIBLE place), and moved to ChristianChat more. I pray on occasion, though I definitely need improvement there. A lot of my gf's parents' concerns come from the assumption that I've lived "under my parent's wing" and haven't ever had real choices, though both her and my parents know very little about choices I could have made, and they're not GOING to know either lol. I don't have anything to worry about there, since I sincerely believe the desire for God will definitely skyrocket once I'm OUT from under my parents =P

Meh, I'm probably getting way off topic and a little too personal here, but I'm not giving enough info for someone to come hurt me, and what better way to share feelings than to a Godly, anonymous, uninvolved source? =P
The thing that was hardest for me to learn about my devotion to Jesus was that I was not very devoted at all, until I saw my true state without Him. I would say my need for Him, but it was much deeper than that. In truth, I lost everything, even my family, even my identity, when I finally knew what the truth was about me. And God restored everything back to me again, in Jesus. I learned that no one can show you what God desires from us but God. And also that whenever we push on others, for whatever reason, we are pushing them away from us. Until we come under the rule of God's love, nothing controls us but our desires and our conscience, no matter what anyone thinks.

Read the gospel of John to find what I believe is the best description of desire for God, Jesus Himself.

I would say that you are seeking in the right direction, and to keep your eye on Him.

His peace and love,
 
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^^Not quite, but close. The thing is, in my relationship with my girlfriend, her parents are CONSTANTLY saying that I'm not permanent yet, and that we don't know if I'm "In God's plan for her," or if she's in mine. I know God has plans for me, but the thing is, is there only ONE plan he would like us to take?
Do either of you plan on going to college in the future?
One plan but not one path to get there.
 
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The thing that was hardest for me to learn about my devotion to Jesus was that I was not very devoted at all, until I saw my true state without Him. I would say my need for Him, but it was much deeper than that. In truth, I lost everything, even my family, even my identity, when I finally knew what the truth was about me. And God restored everything back to me again, in Jesus. I learned that no one can show you what God desires from us but God. And also that whenever we push on others, for whatever reason, we are pushing them away from us. Until we come under the rule of God's love, nothing controls us but our desires and our conscience, no matter what anyone thinks.

Read the gospel of John to find what I believe is the best description of desire for God, Jesus Himself.

I would say that you are seeking in the right direction, and to keep your eye on Him.

His peace and love,
I know exactly what you are saying. I just found this out a couple days ago about myself. And going to make the changes that are needed.
 
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Do either of you plan on going to college in the future?
One plan but not one path to get there.
Yep, going to college next year, and I'm pretty set on which one, too =P Not sure what you mean by the different ways to get there, though... It may be because I'm trying to fit that into my own situation, but I happen to have a full-paid scholarship PLUS some for expenses like books and rent and food and stuff =P
 
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Yep, going to college next year, and I'm pretty set on which one, too =P Not sure what you mean by the different ways to get there, though... It may be because I'm trying to fit that into my own situation, but I happen to have a full-paid scholarship PLUS some for expenses like books and rent and food and stuff =P
I noticed that your favorite scripture is Mt 28:19,20. It must be upon your heart and being saved so young you must have given it some consideration. Have you considered going to Bible College and being trained up to be a full time missionary or perhaps a pastor if God called you? You do know that the heart of the Lord is to send laborers into the harvest which truly is great but the laborer are few / Lk 10:2. If God put it upon your heart to be a missionary would you forsake everything and obey God? That decision would be between you and God and if your parents are believers they would probably endorse you in that decision. If you are going to college, then you are not to young for the mission field.

Jesus said, 'I have come that you might have life and have it more abundantly.' Do you think He was talking about a good job and perhaps a family of your own and having all your needs met? Or do you think He meant something else? What do you think abundantly means? It is a promise from God and God does not lie. Do you think it has anything to do with eternity that starts with eternal life through Christ and continues on throughout all the ages without end? Jesus said also that heaven and earth would pass away but my word shall never pass away. Do you think that studying the word of God and hiding it in your heart is an eternal investment that will reap eternal dividends forever?

What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul / Mt 16:26,27. Think of it, one soul to God is worth more than all the world, just one soul that would shine as the stars of heaven / Dan 12:3. Let your light so shine before men that those that are lost may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven / Mt 5:16. The lost soul that is terminally ill and on their death bed, who is going to tell them that they can have life through the Son. There soul has great value to God. Who is going to tell the teenager that is stricken with drugs and promiscuity that there is another way that leads to forgiveness and cleansing from all sin? Will you do that, will you go and tell those that walk along the hedges who live in despair and fear that the love of God will cast out that fear and give them joy and peace through Christ?

God redeemed you and gave you eternal life. His life in you has an eternal purpose that was purposed in Christ from before the foundation of the world. That purpose was to reveal Christ in you and through you so that others would believe upon the words that you tell them concerning Christ and Him crucified. Jesus said, 'Follow me and I will make you fishers of men'/ Mt 4:19. To be made a fisher of men is no greater calling that any man or woman can have upon this earth until Christ comes. READ LUKE 14
 
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^interesting, but that verse is more of a favourite because it's the first one I remember memorizing... And because of that, I won a "date" with my Sunday School teacher (I was like 7 lol), and I at an entire plate of chow mein noodles (or w/e they're called) and sunflower seeds... yum XD

But now that I think about it... Like, my girlfriend has a desire to travel, and I'm still trying to figure out the exactness of that desire... She said she'd like a job traveling, but then she said she only says that so he has something to say, and she'd be fine with staying at home and traveling on vacations =P But anyway, her desire to travel has led a few around to to believe that she might end up in the mission field, and if that's honestly whatGod wants her to do I'm willing to follow her ^_^

As far as the college thing, I am definitely NOT going to a Christian college. It's not because I hate Christianity or anything, but more because I want to get away from everything I already know, and experience a few new things and learn. I'm definitely not going to turn away from Christianity, so I don't know what my gf's parents are so worried about, but I want to see what actual non-christian people are like... Ya know? Point is, I'm sure there are a lot more non-christians to reach in a non-christian school than there are in a christian college... And I've lived in small southern towns my entire life, which are FULL of "church" people who think they're saved but aren't, and my skills don't reach those people very well =/ Like I said, I'm pretty set on my college, and I'm not rejecting this scholarship ~_o
 
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I agree with aspen and machew but thought I'd give you also yet another perspective.

Now, I have a hunch that the question you really want to ask is do you have to follow God's plan for you? Somehow, I think you're worried about what plan God has for you. So if you can find out that God has no plan for you, then you don't have to follow this "non-existent" plan. ;) If that is the case, then not to worry. God wouldn't ask you to do something that is beyond your skill.


I wish that this were true but I believe the scriptures will bear out the opposite. God does not give us man-sized tasks, He only gives us God-sized tasks so that we will have to rely on Him to get it done.

2 Corinthians 12:9 "But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me."

We must trust God to accomplish His will through us. If we could do it by ourselves then what would we need Him for.


God does have a perfect will for each of us."

Romans 12:1-2 '1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship. 2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will."

If We offer ourselves as willing sacrifices and turn away from this world through the renewing of our mind (seeing things as God sees them), then we will be able to discern His will for our lives.

We do however, do have the ability to thwart God's plan for our lives. We do this by stubbornly refusing to submit to His will, desiring instead to continue what we have been doing. I speak from persoanal experience when I admit that I stubbornly refused to do what God was calling me to do. I felt no peace or joy until I surrendered. That is when the joy and the peace returned.

We must look to God for His will and when we find it we must submit.

In Christ,

Lighthousejohn


 
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Ok, a few things ^_^

Where are you getting the "unknown does not necessarily mean not sinful" thing? If God really wanted to speak out against something, he certainly would have, huh?
He might've but we don't know or have not yet discovered or have not yet figured out so you cannot assume either for or against. You can only keep in mind that it is currently unknown which isn't very helpful but that is a strict interpretation.

Also, the Jewish law, while I realize it wasn't always flawed, it still had flaws and is not a Biblical basis. Jewish custom can sometimes be used to get a clearer picture of the circumstance, but I don't think you should use it by itself in judging the sinful nature of a certain activity. Also, I believe we're ont he same page on the "honouring God" thing. Not everything you do is supposed to honour God (thought nothing is supposed to dishonour Him), and calling something honour does not change dishonouring behavior into honouring behavior.
Actually, Jewish law has biblical roots. It has been... heavily modified... but some of their older traditions have not changed much from what we are able to figure out. Those older traditions (though some may be outdated and pointless because of Jesus' death) give us insight into the nature of God - what He wants, what He sees as good or bad. For example, the shaving of one's beard is an Old Testament sin. If you look at Jewish laws & culture, to shave one's beard is a really big deal. But why is it a big deal? I mean, do you grow a giant beard today or would you shave your face regularly? (Maybe you don't have enough to shave just yet ;) ) So you dig into it and you figure out that beard shaving was part of a pagan ritual back in ancient times. God forbade the Israelites from shaving their faces so that they would not sin against Him by partaking in this ritual. This gives us insight into God's nature.

Also, for the whole questions I have remaining thing- I knew hentai was probably wrong, but what about it makes it wrong? Is it just the general lust of women, period? And if so, that means just coming up with a 100% imaginary picture of (parts of) someone in your picture would also be wrong? Anyway, an interesting thing I've noticed, but been kinda scared to point out- the verse says adultery. Adultery implies that you are in a marriage, because otherwise it is fornication. Is there any reason to believe that this philosophy applies also to the unmarried? I'm definitely NOT trying to make a point here, I'm genuinely curious.
What you're doing is what many teens and young adults do - find the thin red line and see if there are any technicalities to work around. It may not be something you are consciously and intentionally trying to do but you end up looking for that loophole.

The great thing about being a Christian is that God puts His presence (the Holy Spirit) into you at the time of belief. God is constant (His laws, wants, desires, etc. don't change). We may not know all of His rules and laws but if He's placed His Holy Spirit within us, then He will undoubtedly help us out in a consistent manner. So you need to listen carefully. Do you feel guilt or conviction when you look at Hentai porn? Only you are most attuned to your own feelings. If deep down, you already know it is wrong, then it doesn't matter whether it is adultery, fornication, or lust because you've already committed the sin. For you then, the Holy Spirit has convicted you. What remains now is how you deal with this sin. Do you continue or do you confess it and stop?

Oftentimes (even for myself), if we already feel or know that something we do probably goes against God's laws, there's a tendency for us to look for a way out particularly if we want or desire to continue to do whatever that something is. The trick to figuring it out is discernment and sadly, that cannot be taught. It takes time, practice, and careful listening to what the Holy Spirit is telling you.

I'm sorry if I couldn't provide an easy way out for you to figure out all this stuff but the truth is, there is no easy and "get rich quick" way of growing a close relationship with God. All relationships take time and effort; growing a relationship with God is no different. :( But on the bright side, it's worth putting in that effort and work! :D

And finally, the whole arguing thing... Yeah, I know ^_^ Unfortunately, my gf's mom declared an ultimatum and said that if she keeps seeing conflict between me and her, she is ending the relationship... I have yet to talk to my gf about this since she happens to be grounded until Friday+, but I'm just going to give my gf's mom a cold shoulder and occasionally thank her for the effort she goes through to plan trips and get Mr V to let me date her daughter... Since apparently she wasn't supposed to be in a "serious" emotional relationship like this until she was 16 (even though she could have a boyfriend at 13... The logic behind THIS one makes no sense to me XD). And- this is the hard one- I'm supposed to encourage her to give full respect to her parents even when her parents are dead wrong. Woo -.- Trying and learning, but I hate being scared to death over this whole thing =(

Oh, and to prevent a few possible confusions about what I just said, here's some info- I'm 17, she's 15. Our B-days are right around standard school entrance cut-off dates in September. I barely missed the cut, but got in anyway since my parents taught me advanced stuff like multiplication before kindergarten XD Her birth parents... Not so much... Plus, she missed the date my a couple more weeks than I did, and her parents weren't very concerned about her =( She's adopted now with different parents though, so it's cool. Anyway, the point of that was explain grade difference- She's in 9th and I'm in 12th. It's hard, and even though her parents preach about how they're doing all this stuff to help us, they honestly just make it harder =/ </off-topicminirant)
You are still young. I will be fair to you - I have never been in a relationship before but I can tell you this: it is probably not a good idea to have conflict with your girlfriend's parents (or in-laws if you get that far). They are, at the end of the day, her parents and she loves them even though she may not admit it. Conflict with them will result in conflict with her because you are basically disrespecting her parents. That's my two cents but let someone else who has been in a relationship give you more advice on that. :)

As for respecting her parents... honour and respect are subjective thoughts. It can change depending on the person. For example, in first and second-generation conservative Asian culture, honour and respect is equated with obeying your parents' authority even when they are wrong. Of course, there are exceptions but those are far and few in between. But for Caucasians, it is different - everyone has an opinion and right. However, God calls us to honour our parents. They may not be your parents but they are her's. So you have a choice. Conflict with your girlfriend and her parents (which usually leads to a sad place) or give up your right to be "right" and honour and respect them as well. Keep in mind also that they are much older than you and have greater experience and wisdom in relationship matters. ;)

If you truly love her, then you will do whatever it takes to make her happy. If that means giving up arguing/debating, then that may be something you will need to do. Love comes with a price, buddy. Why do you think I'm still single? LOL :D

As far as the college thing, I am definitely NOT going to a Christian college.
You might eat those words one day. ;)
 
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I wish that this were true but I believe the scriptures will bear out the opposite. God does not give us man-sized tasks, He only gives us God-sized tasks so that we will have to rely on Him to get it done.

2 Corinthians 12:9 "But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me."

We must trust God to accomplish His will through us. If we could do it by ourselves then what would we need Him for.


God does have a perfect will for each of us."

Romans 12:1-2 '1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship. 2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will."

If We offer ourselves as willing sacrifices and turn away from this world through the renewing of our mind (seeing things as God sees them), then we will be able to discern His will for our lives.

We do however, do have the ability to thwart God's plan for our lives. We do this by stubbornly refusing to submit to His will, desiring instead to continue what we have been doing. I speak from persoanal experience when I admit that I stubbornly refused to do what God was calling me to do. I felt no peace or joy until I surrendered. That is when the joy and the peace returned.

We must look to God for His will and when we find it we must submit.

In Christ,

Lighthousejohn
However, I'm quite positive that part of the "plan" He has for each of us includes preparation and training up. This prep work is our personal trials and tribulations. If that is the case, then we need to reconcile 1 Corinthians 10:13 - "No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it."

The key is that God has the power to let or not let us go through something. It shows that He is in control. It also shows that He provides a way out. I agree with you that it is important to rely on God for everything. We probably won't find that "way out" unless we call upon Him. But saying that God does not give us man-sized tasks is suggesting that God is limited in how He trains us up. I'm convinced that God will not just dump the giant master plan onto our heads without first preparing us and training us to be ready to take on the role so that when we fulfill His plan, we will do so in a way that brings Him glory. During this training, we still need to rely on God.

It is like the father-child analogy. I feel that it can be extended in this case as well. If I were a father, I would not give my children all the responsibilities that they will need to know right off the bat. No, I would slowly train them up. As they grow up, I will increase the difficulty and add to their responsibility and learning.

Why am I so willing to extend the analogy? Because it is consistent with John 15:1-17 in reference to pruning. The gardener (God) continues to prune us (the branches) so that we grow fruit. If we understand how viticulture works, then we know that at the beginning, new branches do not require much pruning. But as the branch ages, it requires vigorous pruning. You have to prune hard for an older branch to grow big grapes. You can't just prune a new branch hard at the beginning - you risk killing or cutting off the branch!

Now, I have never had to grow grapes - I was tempted to purchase a $50 (or was it $80 USD?) dissertation on Palestinian viticulture practices but alas, I did not. So if you have experience with that, please do share because this is all I know about viticulture.
 
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Oh, I knew hentai was wrong, I was just using it as an example for a certain question ~_o I dont' really watch hentai, and I've been struggling with porn, was able to quit for a few months, but unfortunately I'm slipping back into it and am going to need support from God to get over it ^_^

Anyway, about the whole debating thing, I'm definitely going to try my best to hold back on it... I can do that most of the time. In fact, just the other day when I was being taken home from my girlfriend's house, I got in a small fight with my gf's little sister (I tried to manhandle her out of a seat, and thinking back on it, I was wrong for that, ESPECIALLY since her entire family is adopted children that have seen abuse....). Anyway, Her mom was talking and had just finished, and then my gf goes to say something (it was a detail that had been left out or something XD), and her mom all of a sudden goes full-rage mode... It hurt me to watch it, because it struck me as a violent tantrum and on the line between emotional abuse and strict discipline =/ But I let the situation go and didn't talk about it, because she would automatically assume it as an argument against her parenting style =(

And another recent thing was when her mom declared a rule that, when I have my arm around my gf, we must be 2 inches apart on both the shoulder and leg. Now, you may not know this since you say you've never been in a relationship, but that isn't the most comfortable position XD So I go to her dad to discuss the situation, and (for once), I get to have an actual conversation. Then she sees what's going on, walks in, and gives a 30 minute lecture and I get ZERO input from then on. I also get a rant about how I'm disrespecting her authority and that she's protecting us and is the main advocate of our relationship, because she wasn't supposed to date 'till she was 16 so I'm lucky to be dating her anyway, and she can end this relationship right now if she wanted and blah blah blah, threat after threat. That's the main thing I have against her, is that you can't talk to her, even respectfully, without it being disrespect -.-

I definitely want my girlfriend to respect her mom, but I really don't think that the level of respect her mom is expecting is reasonable. My girlfriend is drastically punished for small "offenses," some of which were just misunderstandings. I fully believe that her mom should not explode as much as she does, and even if she does explode, she should refrain from assigning a punishment until she's cooled down and assessed the situation with a clear mind. I'm definitely going to encourage my girlfriend to obey her, but I don't want her to think that that type of authority is acceptable. If I'm going to be her husband one day, and I am her authority (to some extent), I want her to be able to come to me about an issue she has, and not hide everything she feels because I'm going to explode on her =(



Another thing.... About that God's will verse. It's the first thing I've seen so far that actually kinda supports the one perfect plan thing XD But it's still unclear as to whether it's referring to a perfect plan you are supposed to do, or if it's referring to some situations where God MAY tell you to do something. I mean, God's not gonna tell you "Eat the PB&J, not the turkey and cheese," every day, but if the turkey happens to be rotten, he may will you to eat the PB&J instead... See? =P

Anyway, the whole christian college thing... Not gonna eat those words. There may be times when I wish I may have, because in a non-christian college if probably rampant with sin, but I won't regret the decision ~_o
 
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Oh, I knew hentai was wrong, I was just using it as an example for a certain question ~_o I dont' really watch hentai, and I've been struggling with porn, was able to quit for a few months, but unfortunately I'm slipping back into it and am going to need support from God to get over it ^_^
There's a porn thread I just noticed in the Teen forum. Maybe that will help you. :)

Anyway, about the whole debating thing, I'm definitely going to try my best to hold back on it... I can do that most of the time. In fact, just the other day when I was being taken home from my girlfriend's house, I got in a small fight with my gf's little sister (I tried to manhandle her out of a seat, and thinking back on it, I was wrong for that, ESPECIALLY since her entire family is adopted children that have seen abuse....). Anyway, Her mom was talking and had just finished, and then my gf goes to say something (it was a detail that had been left out or something XD), and her mom all of a sudden goes full-rage mode... It hurt me to watch it, because it struck me as a violent tantrum and on the line between emotional abuse and strict discipline =/ But I let the situation go and didn't talk about it, because she would automatically assume it as an argument against her parenting style =(

And another recent thing was when her mom declared a rule that, when I have my arm around my gf, we must be 2 inches apart on both the shoulder and leg. Now, you may not know this since you say you've never been in a relationship, but that isn't the most comfortable position XD So I go to her dad to discuss the situation, and (for once), I get to have an actual conversation. Then she sees what's going on, walks in, and gives a 30 minute lecture and I get ZERO input from then on. I also get a rant about how I'm disrespecting her authority and that she's protecting us and is the main advocate of our relationship, because she wasn't supposed to date 'till she was 16 so I'm lucky to be dating her anyway, and she can end this relationship right now if she wanted and blah blah blah, threat after threat. That's the main thing I have against her, is that you can't talk to her, even respectfully, without it being disrespect -.-

I definitely want my girlfriend to respect her mom, but I really don't think that the level of respect her mom is expecting is reasonable. My girlfriend is drastically punished for small "offenses," some of which were just misunderstandings. I fully believe that her mom should not explode as much as she does, and even if she does explode, she should refrain from assigning a punishment until she's cooled down and assessed the situation with a clear mind. I'm definitely going to encourage my girlfriend to obey her, but I don't want her to think that that type of authority is acceptable. If I'm going to be her husband one day, and I am her authority (to some extent), I want her to be able to come to me about an issue she has, and not hide everything she feels because I'm going to explode on her =(
My own mother is a bit like that too. For years, I was angry at her and was always in conflict. Then, I decided not to. I prayed and asked God to help me set an example of tolerance, patience, and understanding. The first few months was difficult but it got easier. Now, she has toned down the "rage" if you can call it that.

Another thing.... About that God's will verse. It's the first thing I've seen so far that actually kinda supports the one perfect plan thing XD But it's still unclear as to whether it's referring to a perfect plan you are supposed to do, or if it's referring to some situations where God MAY tell you to do something. I mean, God's not gonna tell you "Eat the PB&J, not the turkey and cheese," every day, but if the turkey happens to be rotten, he may will you to eat the PB&J instead... See? =P
Go through the predestination thread if you have time. This "plan" thing is very similar along those lines - that God has "predestined" a plan for each of us. That thread may give you more insight.

Anyway, the whole christian college thing... Not gonna eat those words. There may be times when I wish I may have, because in a non-christian college if probably rampant with sin, but I won't regret the decision ~_o
I meant that God might call you to go to theological school one day. ;)
 
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Doubt it, since formal theology isn't really my thing =P


But wow, we've really done off-topic. Imma repeat the question again- Is the Bible meant to be read as a whole, or is each individual verse meant to be dissected into its own meaning? I believe it should be read as a whole, and ALWAYS within context, because if you think about it... The Bible wasn't separated into verses when it was written. Also, in the New Testament when Jesus gave parables with deeper meanings, he always explained them afterwards to prevent confusion in his disciples. If Jesus, who is God, clarifies when a deeper meaning was implied, don't you think he would also do so throughout the entire Bible also?
 
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Doubt it, since formal theology isn't really my thing =P


But wow, we've really done off-topic. Imma repeat the question again- Is the Bible meant to be read as a whole, or is each individual verse meant to be dissected into its own meaning? I believe it should be read as a whole, and ALWAYS within context, because if you think about it... The Bible wasn't separated into verses when it was written. Also, in the New Testament when Jesus gave parables with deeper meanings, he always explained them afterwards to prevent confusion in his disciples. If Jesus, who is God, clarifies when a deeper meaning was implied, don't you think he would also do so throughout the entire Bible also?
As a whole because no verse will contradict other verses in the sense that it goes against what another verse teaches. If you read it separately, you may end up with verses that seem to contradict with what other verses in other parts of the Bible say.
 
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So by that way of viewing the Bible, you should not imply that Jeremiah 29:11 applies to everyone, because it was specifically addressing the nation of Israel, correct? The only way you would even THINK of taking that and applying it to all people in the world would be if you read the verse and none of the context around it ~_o
 

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So by that way of viewing the Bible, you should not imply that Jeremiah 29:11 applies to everyone, because it was specifically addressing the nation of Israel, correct? The only way you would even THINK of taking that and applying it to all people in the world would be if you read the verse and none of the context around it ~_o

Trick question dude.

I have not said much in this thread. I will tell how I read the bible. By the power of the Holy Spirit. He caused it to be written, and if I want to know what God is saying to me through the bible, then I need Him to tell me what He wants me to understand from it. But me and a few others are in a minority on this.
 
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Trick question dude.

I have not said much in this thread. I will tell how I read the bible. By the power of the Holy Spirit. He caused it to be written, and if I want to know what God is saying to me through the bible, then I need Him to tell me what He wants me to understand from it. But me and a few others are in a minority on this.
I have a personal problem with myself following this point of view... I can't tell the difference between my voice, God's voice, and satan's voice XD Now, in some places it's clear-cut, like hearing a voice that says "You should go smoke that" or something. Ignore it, it's Satan or me. But in other choices like the choice of a college or spouse, I honestly cannot decide whether the thoughts I'm having are God-inspired or my own rationalization.

Example- There was a time when my girlfriend and I weren't together. I liked her very strongly at the time, but it was distanced, and I also liked another girl who lived within 30min of me whom I went to school with. I heard "voices" that told me to cut relations with the distanced girl and take the one that was closer. The day after I made the choice and sent the distanced girl a "break-up" letter, I got a different voice saying the opposite! Now, which was mine and which was God's???


And that has little to do with actual Bible interpretation... But what I'm saying is, the Bible was written by God, and I'm sure he intended it to mean relatively straightforward things. I think interpreting the Bible for yourself, especially in segmented forms like that, leads to denominational division, easy misinterpretation, and mass confusion. I'm not saying that it always leads to these results, but that way of thinking is the foundation for twisting and manipulating the Bible ~_o
 

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I have a personal problem with myself following this point of view... I can't tell the difference between my voice, God's voice, and satan's voice XD Now, in some places it's clear-cut, like hearing a voice that says "You should go smoke that" or something. Ignore it, it's Satan or me. But in other choices like the choice of a college or spouse, I honestly cannot decide whether the thoughts I'm having are God-inspired or my own rationalization.

Example- There was a time when my girlfriend and I weren't together. I liked her very strongly at the time, but it was distanced, and I also liked another girl who lived within 30min of me whom I went to school with. I heard "voices" that told me to cut relations with the distanced girl and take the one that was closer. The day after I made the choice and sent the distanced girl a "break-up" letter, I got a different voice saying the opposite! Now, which was mine and which was God's???


And that has little to do with actual Bible interpretation... But what I'm saying is, the Bible was written by God, and I'm sure he intended it to mean relatively straightforward things. I think interpreting the Bible for yourself, especially in segmented forms like that, leads to denominational division, easy misinterpretation, and mass confusion. I'm not saying that it always leads to these results, but that way of thinking is the foundation for twisting and manipulating the Bible ~_o
You heard voices from and in your mind. The voice of the Spirit will come from the inner man, and He will speak with the voice of God. He will speak the words of God. He will confess Jesus Christ as Lord. Every other way of understanding the bible will lead to deception, and loss of some part of life from Jesus.

He was clear, His sheep hear His voice. They know Him and follow Him.

In your example above, neither voice was the Spirit's voice.

When you hear His voice, you will know. If you believe in Him, you have heard His voice, when He convicted you that you were dead in your sin, and needed saved, needed His cross for your forgiveness of sins, needed His resurrection for your new life as a child of God, needed His miracle of the Spirit giving you new birth.

He told you of these things, He chose you to hear Him.