How to Recognize a Mixed-Grace Gospel

[FreeNChrist]

Hi Peterjens,

I wouldn't waste my breath with freeNchrist, he's just trying to wind you up.

Actually I'm trying to help him. What are you doing?

 

[PeterJens]

And yet all you write is based in worldly humanistic reasoning.

Do you believe in logic or reason? Do you accept some things are untrue and something are truthful?

I ask because I have met people who define their definition of truth on a book, or a teacher or a religion.
Every thought or action was taken to this reference point, and if it failed to agree it was a lie, and if it agreed it was true.

Is that your way of thinking? And if it is what is your reference point?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Do you believe in logic or reason? Do you accept some things are untrue and something are truthful?

I ask because I have met people who define their definition of truth on a book, or a teacher or a religion.
Every thought or action was taken to this reference point, and if it failed to agree it was a lie, and if it agreed it was true.

Is that your way of thinking? And if it is what is your reference point?

I believe in Jesus Christ.

 

[KennethC]

I realize that is your religious views on the eternal security of the believer....you don't believe in it......I believe in Christ's word to me..I don't believe He is a liar....for me not to believe what He says..is calling Him a liar and it is unbelief on my part..so sorry..not playing your game.....that's ok....you are allowed to believe whatever you want..

here is a great scripture to live by...

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

What game ???

I believe in Jesus Christ words to which is why I am constantly defending all that He said, and I believe in the whole Word of God as Truth.

Again it is not my religion so please stop saying that, as what I have shared with you comes directly from the Word of God, therefore it is God's way !!!

As for your last sentence you are wrong we are not allowed to believe whatever we want, as the bible clearly warns against not following sound doctrine. If we are not following the sound doctrine of Jesus Christ teachings then we are following a different gospel, doctrine, and a different Jesus.

We must be very careful who we follow, the words of Jesus or the words of man. I follow Jesus my Lord and Savior !!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

So we have the Lord saying come to Him and He will give us Rest and that if we abide there in Him we will bring forth much fruit.

What fruit?

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Any questions???

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Amen, It seems like people want to work and work and work. And still not be assured of eternal life.

Thats not rest. thats foolishness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A straw man argument requires a mischaracterization of another's position. It can't be questioned that some here believe the new birth cannot be undone, because they have said as much. So it's no mischaracterization to state what they have said they believe.

In fact, the post immediately preceding this one demonstrates this belief.

I think what he is trying to say is your continued use of gnosticism has lost its flavor. and is just a strawman. It got old. it is old. it is irrelevant, and is nothing but a strawman,

This will likely not be responded to anymore.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think your response to an obvious reality sums up your spiritual insight.

I design computer systems. Often you have to construct a straw man to see if the details will work or fail.
The concepts are often too complex to consider as a whole without the framework.

It is like theology to work it needs a framework of assumptions upon which things hang.

Hyper grace has one, the carnal world and the spiritual world.
The gnostic spirit that comes into you.

Theology has one is Jesus dying upon the cross for the sins of the world.

These frameworks do not change they are used to see things by different perspectives. It is why correctly put forward they can be very helpful, and if wrong, very destructive.

Obviously this is very new to you.

His strawman has been used for months, has been thoroughly refuted, and is useless. That is why it is a strawman.

When you use an argument you think supports your theories, and it is has been proven to be a faulty argument it is time to move on.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think what he is trying to say is your continued use of gnosticism has lost its flavor. and is just a strawman. It got old. it is old. it is irrelevant, and is nothing but a strawman,

This will likely not be responded to anymore.

You need to check out the neo-gnostic thread. He essentially admitted that new.modern.hyper grace teachings are gnostic.

 

[PeterJens]

I believe in Jesus Christ.

That is great. Now who do you look towards as your authority?

Is it the bible? Is it your understanding? Is it your spirit?

How do you know what I am saying is the truth or a lie?

 

[FreeNChrist]

You need to check out the neo-gnostic thread. He essentially admitted that new.modern.hyper grace teachings are gnostic.

No. I showed you your lack of understanding. Which obviously fell on deaf ears as you are only continuing in it.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

His strawman has been used for months, has been thoroughly refuted, and is useless. That is why it is a strawman.

When you use an argument you think supports your theories, and it is has been proven to be a faulty argument it is time to move on.

Nobody's proven anything. Everyone runs from it because the connection between new.modern.hyper grace and gnosticism is so clear. You're just bluffing.

 

[phil36]

Actually I'm trying to help him. What are you doing?

Thanks for proving my point.. no substance.

 

[FreeNChrist]

That is great. Now who do you look towards as your authority?

Is it the bible? Is it your understanding? Is it your spirit?

How do you know what I am saying is the truth or a lie?

I look to Jesus as my authority. Who do you look to?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No. I showed you your lack of understanding. Which obviously fell on deaf ears as you are only continuing in it.

LOL. What you unwittingly did was acknowledge that new.modern.hyper grace teachings are indeed gnostic. You made the Hall of Fame with that post!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am a fool for Christ. I glory in His cross, that he counted me worthy to die for my sins and call me friend.

I would do anything within my power for Him if He asked me to. And all he asked me to do was follow, so Amen, halleluyah.

Yet, when he says you HAVE eternal life, based on his promise and his work. You mock him and say it is not eternal at all. it can be lost. based on YOUR failure, and YOUR lack of work.

Thats not exactly being anything for Christ, now is it?

 

[KennethC]

I agree that you have a free will.....and I also believe your free will if born again will always want Jesus....it's in your new nature now...

What do you think about this question...you have a free will now...can you change by your free will to be unborn now as a human being?..we know the answer is of course not....perhaps within that answer is your answer to the being born from God free will question and changing that "borness" ( if that is even a word..lol ) by an act of your free will.....

Here is a clear example why giving a straight answer can not be done, because you focus to much on the "being born again."

Which is what leads to this whole useless straw-man of you can't be unborn........

Being born again is not what saves us, it is only part of the salvation that comes through Christ. To put such emphasis on the born again aspect you do as the baptism crowd does when they state baptism alone saves.

They all go hand and hand (accompany) salvation in Christ, they are not separate, apart, or alone in the faith !!!

The unity with the Holy Spirit can be broken and this is clearly shown in Ephesians 4...........


Choice is given all the way through the Word of God, even from the very first 2 Adam and Eve were given the ability to choose for themselves.

 

[FreeNChrist]

LOL. What you unwittingly did was acknowledge that new.modern.hyper grace teachings are indeed gnostic. You made the Hall of Fame with that post!

No. You have unwittingly acknowledged that it is you who is the Gnostic here.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You need to check out the neo-gnostic thread. He essentially admitted that new.modern.hyper grace teachings are gnostic.

would it even matter?

What do we base our beliefs on, A group that has not been around for 2000 years. or the word of God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nobody's proven anything. Everyone runs from it because the connection between new.modern.hyper grace and gnosticism is so clear. You're just bluffing.

No it is not clear.

What is clear is yuo have some major issue and would rather discuss words of men, and not words of God to support your theories. And they are useless arguments.

Again, as I said before, Should I call you catholic, or say you are a heretic because you have catholic beliefs, even if your not catholic?

That would be a redundant ridiculous argument on my part. even though it is based on facts. it means nothing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here is a clear example why giving a straight answer can not be done, because you focus to much on the "being born again."

Which is what leads to this whole useless straw-man of you can't be unborn........

Being born again is not what saves us, it is only part of the salvation that comes through Christ. To put such emphasis on the born again aspect you do as the baptism crowd does when they state baptism alone saves.

They all go hand and hand (accompany) salvation in Christ, they are not separate, apart, or alone in the faith !!!

The unity with the Holy Spirit can be broken and this is clearly shown in Ephesians 4...........


Choice is given all the way through the Word of God, even from the very first 2 Adam and Eve were given the ability to choose for themselves.

Why is this person still here? he is a heretic and leading people straight to hell..

Being born again is just the starting of salvation?? WHAT???????????????????????????????????????????????????

If sin is what makes me dead, The penalty of sin must be removed for me to be made alive (born again)

That is the DEFENITION of BEING SAVED!!