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K
The problem is that you have is we are not unbelievers of the gift of tongues, we are speaking up against how it is misused in the churches.
We are explaining to you how the Word of God clearly shows what they are and how they are ministered, yet you want to blame the person who interrupts the one doing it wrongly instead of admit how they were doing it was wrong.
This right here in this response showing you doing just what I said blaming the person who was offended, instead of blaming the one who was wrongfully speaking in tongues.
You do know it is a sin to cause offense to another, which is why the bible expressly says to do it in silence or private or there must be an interpreter available !!!
The bible warns about doing things in front of other people to cause them to stumble, but you are defending and allowing this false practice of tongue's to be done.
If there is no interpreter and others are offended then the one doing it is in the wrong, not the person offended !!!
We are explaining to you how the Word of God clearly shows what they are and how they are ministered, yet you want to blame the person who interrupts the one doing it wrongly instead of admit how they were doing it was wrong.
This right here in this response showing you doing just what I said blaming the person who was offended, instead of blaming the one who was wrongfully speaking in tongues.
You do know it is a sin to cause offense to another, which is why the bible expressly says to do it in silence or private or there must be an interpreter available !!!
The bible warns about doing things in front of other people to cause them to stumble, but you are defending and allowing this false practice of tongue's to be done.
If there is no interpreter and others are offended then the one doing it is in the wrong, not the person offended !!!
K
You just said it yourself you do it quietly in a whisper around others, which is the same as keeping it private or silent so that others do not hear.
What we are talking about are those who do it openly and out loud, these people are in the wrong no matter how you try to defend them....Their wrong !!!
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Correct. We need to be gracious and mind our manners according to the word.
I don't defend people who are speaking in tongues out loud apart from the rest of the assembly who are not doing so. Paul tells the churches to make sure that there is discipline in that regard, and to ensure order in the meeting. That should be part of the job of leaders to do---to safeguard disorder and dissuade members from speaking out causing a disturbance.
We have to be careful not to offend people who are there among us who do not understand what is happening. It could drive them away from Christ, or a certain blessing.
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I don't defend people who are speaking in tongues out loud apart from the rest of the assembly who are not doing so. Paul tells the churches to make sure that there is discipline in that regard, and to ensure order in the meeting. That should be part of the job of leaders to do---to safeguard disorder and dissuade members from speaking out causing a disturbance.
We have to be careful not to offend people who are there among us who do not understand what is happening. It could drive them away from Christ, or a certain blessing.
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K
Not if it is done out loud !!!
It does not matter what the leader, preacher, priest, minister, or whatever you call the person leading the congregation says. The praying in tongue's is still to be done in the manner in which God's word states.
Preachers and pastor's have no right to override God's standards or how the gifts of the Holy Spirit are ministered.
I already answered your question and the answer is sometimes yes and sometimes no, and if it is around others I do it quietly as we are suppose to do !!!
It does not matter what the leader, preacher, priest, minister, or whatever you call the person leading the congregation says. The praying in tongue's is still to be done in the manner in which God's word states.
Preachers and pastor's have no right to override God's standards or how the gifts of the Holy Spirit are ministered.
I already answered your question and the answer is sometimes yes and sometimes no, and if it is around others I do it quietly as we are suppose to do !!!
K
Where is that written in scripture?
Did I ask that nice enough?
Did I ask that nice enough?
If the preacher says lets use the next 25 minutes for prayer, than everybody can pray to God in their own way and language. However they must still do it by the example given in the Word of God, it does not open them up to just do it out loud where it could disrupt others in their praying !!!
I sing in tongues all the time in public..people just think I'm foreign and happy..they probably would think I was a nut if I "talked" in tongues out loud in front of them..but singing you can get away with..lol
One time I was cleaning the kitchen and singing away without thinking about anything in particular.....and I realized I was singing in tongues to the tune of the " Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald".
..that made me think..why would I be doing that..and inside my spirit I heard.."I wonder where the love of God goes when the winds of november come early.".
.it was the Lord saying.." I am singing about where My love was when that ship went down"..I thought that was so like our Lord.......the Lord is good and His mercy endures forever.
One time I was cleaning the kitchen and singing away without thinking about anything in particular.....and I realized I was singing in tongues to the tune of the " Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald".
..that made me think..why would I be doing that..and inside my spirit I heard.."I wonder where the love of God goes when the winds of november come early.".
.it was the Lord saying.." I am singing about where My love was when that ship went down"..I thought that was so like our Lord.......the Lord is good and His mercy endures forever.
If blondieindahouse was praying in tongues, she would be edified. We edify no one by tongues. God edifies the speaker. Why do you misunderstand that?
The only tongues that requires interpretation is the tongues spoken before the assembly. That is NOT prayer but it is prophecy. It is not a person speaking to God. It is GOD, SPEAKING TO THE ASSEMBLY.
It is clear you do not understand the difference between the ministry or prophetic use of tongues by God and the private, grace gift of tongues used in prayer... and are in no position to declare anything wrong. (...and I don't need to use three exclamation marks, either.)
One is God speaking to the people, and the other is the person speaking to God. Paul distinctly discusses this.
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The only tongues that requires interpretation is the tongues spoken before the assembly. That is NOT prayer but it is prophecy. It is not a person speaking to God. It is GOD, SPEAKING TO THE ASSEMBLY.
It is clear you do not understand the difference between the ministry or prophetic use of tongues by God and the private, grace gift of tongues used in prayer... and are in no position to declare anything wrong. (...and I don't need to use three exclamation marks, either.)
One is God speaking to the people, and the other is the person speaking to God. Paul distinctly discusses this.
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Good you asked for scripture..I like that..and yes..you were nice..Bless you!
If your leader says to you.."Let's pray for brother so and so's mother.."..could you with an act of your will do that?
the answer is yes..of course...so the whole congregation if they all had a voice that works..they could all at once speak out and pray..right?
So ..with that in mind...let's say your pastor says..."there is something going on with my mother-in-law but I don't know how we should pray...let's pray in the spirit and get the Lord's mind on it.. "..they could all pray in tongues together with an act of their will..they very same as using their minds in the other example.
We can use the very same example for singing.. we can sing with our minds and sing with our spirit too...
here's the scripture....we can engage our will to pray either with our spirit or with our mind...and do the same for singing..
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
If your leader says to you.."Let's pray for brother so and so's mother.."..could you with an act of your will do that?
the answer is yes..of course...so the whole congregation if they all had a voice that works..they could all at once speak out and pray..right?
So ..with that in mind...let's say your pastor says..."there is something going on with my mother-in-law but I don't know how we should pray...let's pray in the spirit and get the Lord's mind on it.. "..they could all pray in tongues together with an act of their will..they very same as using their minds in the other example.
We can use the very same example for singing.. we can sing with our minds and sing with our spirit too...
here's the scripture....we can engage our will to pray either with our spirit or with our mind...and do the same for singing..
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
Where is that written in scripture?
Did I ask that nice enough?
Did I ask that nice enough?
So, you assume that I do not understand because I disagree with you?
Nice try! LOL
I do understand the gift and thats why I stopped him. It was out of order!
I have disbelief in the fashion "tongues" is presented these days.
It isnt carried out according to scripture . I tend to hold fast to the word unlike you.
Nice try! LOL
I do understand the gift and thats why I stopped him. It was out of order!
I have disbelief in the fashion "tongues" is presented these days.
It isnt carried out according to scripture . I tend to hold fast to the word unlike you.