Grace is not a message - it's a person - Jesus

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phil112

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[h=2]Grace is not a message - it's a person - Jesus[/h]
Wrong. Grace is a gift from God. Jesus the Christ is the word made flesh. Grace is not and never has been a person.
Grace is an intangible like love, hate, pain.
 
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Maybe we should let the Holy Spirit deal with all of us in whatever area He deems is fit for us individually? I don't see any fruit coming from these endless talks here. Some believe one way and some another.

The endless debates are useless and are really causing divisions amongst us which should not be. We should just "allow" the other to have the freedom to believe however they are inclined. This "attacking" each other and calling names and having malice towards another and slandering each other and leaders in the body of Christ must stop.

I for one am leaning towards just leaving the information and let the Holy Spirit show the people interested what He wants them to know about any area. If someone has a legitimate question , then that is fine and can be asked in a loving, respectful way..then those I will answer.

We can trust Him to reveal Jesus to us.

I just want people to have another view other then the so-called traditional view and the other side should be free to say what they want too as well. They too can leave websites or blogs for people to access to determine within themselves things.

I tend to think what Gamaliel had to say about disputes with the apostles might be appropriate here.

Acts 5:38-40 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action is of men, it will be overthrown;
[SUP]39 [/SUP] but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God."
[SUP]40 [/SUP] They took his advice; and after calling the apostles in, they flogged them and ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and then released them.

Let's all be willing to take a final flogging from both groups and then leave it in the Lord's mighty hands...we are all brothers and want to grow in the grace and knowledge of out Lord Jesus. Let's lift Him up. He is our Life!
 
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phil112

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Maybe we should let the Holy Spirit deal with all of us in whatever area He deems is fit for us individually? I don't see any fruit coming from these endless talks here. Some believe one way and some another.

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Altho I have called you no names, I assume since you posted this directly after my post it is at least partly directed to me. So, allow me to respond.
The Holy Spirit inspired men of God to write His words down and that is what now comprise our bible.
So when we read the bible that IS the Holy Spirit dealing with us as He sees fit.
You see no fruit coming because those who believe in error refuse truth and continue to believe falsehoods. Like grace being a person. Nowhere in the word of God, given by the Spirit you esteem, does it say what the OP posited.
Some believe one way and some another, again, because truth is refused in favor of some fun, pretty, tingly sounding false doctrine.
We are exhorted to have "the mind of Christ". Would you have us believe that Christ was double-minded? Of course not. So if we have the mind of Christ, we will agree on doctrine, because He never offered two doctrines on the same subject.
 

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Altho I have called you no names, I assume since you posted this directly after my post it is at least partly directed to me. So, allow me to respond.
The Holy Spirit inspired men of God to write His words down and that is what now comprise our bible.
So when we read the bible that IS the Holy Spirit dealing with us as He sees fit.
You see no fruit coming because those who believe in error refuse truth and continue to believe falsehoods. Like grace being a person. Nowhere in the word of God, given by the Spirit you esteem, does it say what the OP posited.
Some believe one way and some another, again, because truth is refused in favor of some fun, pretty, tingly sounding false doctrine.
We are exhorted to have "the mind of Christ". Would you have us believe that Christ was double-minded? Of course not. So if we have the mind of Christ, we will agree on doctrine, because He never offered two doctrines on the same subject.
He actually posted this in a few threads, and I think it was more in response to the whole "hyper grace" debate that's been raging in MANY forums this week. I really don't think it was directed directly at you. I honestly don't.
 
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Thank you and it is true..it is for ALL of us from both sides...:)


He actually posted this in a few threads, and I think it was more in response to the whole "hyper grace" debate that's been raging in MANY forums this week. I really don't think it was directed directly at you. I honestly don't.
 
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He actually posted this in a few threads, and I think it was more in response to the whole "hyper grace" debate that's been raging in MANY forums this week. I really don't think it was directed directly at you. I honestly don't.
Really? Has this been going on elsewhere? PM me with some of them if you can. I'd like to see if there's some kind of concerted effort going on. Gotta sell those books yano!
 

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Really? Has this been going on elsewhere? PM me with some of them if you can. I'd like to see if there's some kind of concerted effort going on. Gotta sell those books yano!
It's sent.