Self Examination: Do you understand the Gospel?

[BenFTW]

I am witnessing people make arguments for doctrines that are completely contrary to Jesus' finished work at the cross of Calvary. Some facts about His sacrifice is that through Him we have been reconciled to God and have forgiveness of sins. Right? The veil has been broken, that which separated man from God (I.e, sin) has been dealt with so that man would be reconciled to God. That is the plan of reconciliation.

How do you go from faith in that truth, Christ crucified and resurrected for the purpose of reconciling sinful man to God, and then go to a doctrine that alienates man from God due to sin? Did I just miss something? Did Christ not just go to the cross 2000 years ago to deal with sin so that we would no longer be alienated from God? I am perplexed at how these doctrines of sin confession and repentance are being used to distance God, our heavenly Father, from His children when He made sure nothing could separate them from His love by Christ's sacrifice.

Do people understand the Gospel? These are simple, foundational, truths about the Gospel and yet, some how, something has gone amiss that people are trying to obtain something Jesus already paid for with His blood (I.e, forgiveness of sin and reconciliation/communion with God). I am genuinely perplexed and annoyed even, that people are espousing doctrines contrary to the basic tenets of the faith.

You ARE reconciled to God, you HAVE forgiveness of sins and you ARE in the light for you are in Jesus Christ. Don't listen to people's religious ideas that replace faith in Christ for some practice. People, please, grasp the very basic tenets of the faith and understand what Jesus accomplished for you. Please. It is frustrating to witness people trying to obtain something that Jesus paid for with His sacrifice only to have it ignored and sought after through some other means. Give the glory to God and commune with God. Have fellowship, you are reconciled!

 

[3Scoreand10]

The more I study, the more I understand.
The more I read on CC the more I understand how lacking in understanding many are.
If you are a child of God, live like it and enjoy all the blessings that your Father gives you.

 

[BenFTW]

The more I study, the more I understand.
The more I read on CC the more I understand how lacking in understanding many are.
If you are a child of God, live like it and enjoy all the blessings that your Father gives you.

Indeed, we have so much to learn. I agree with the admonition to "continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ." I am just bothered at the doctrines being put forth that completely override Jesus' finished work at the cross.

 

[Magenta]

There often seems to be some level of misrepresentation going on.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation.” Luke 11:4

For if you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:14-15

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

There often seems to be some level of misrepresentation going on.

Apparently on both sides of the issue as well.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Apparently on both sides of the issue as well.

LOL. When you're dealing with shapeshifters, it's really tough to get a handle on things.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation.” Luke 11:4

For if you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:14-15

Let's see how they spin this. Just how far down the hyper-dispensationalist road are they willing to go?

 

[BenFTW]

And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation.” Luke 11:4

For if you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:14-15

Ephesians 4:32 King James Version (KJV)

32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Colossians 3:13King James Version (KJV)

13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

Are you, or are you not forgiven in Jesus Christ? You are. Did Jesus die in vain? I think not.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here is where many are proving themselves to be reprobate in these forums. They say they are under grace, but yet they also say they sin every day. They by their own confession prove themselves not to be "in Christ" and reprobate .

Jesus Christ came to set us free from sin, and to make us righteous as He is righteous by the power of His Spirit working in us. (note, not our own righteousness, but Christ's righteousness working in us) Grace does not reign in you by sin, but Gods grace reigns in you through Christ's righteousness.

Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

If your sinning, then sin reigns over you, and not grace through righteousness. Whosoever sins is of the Devil, and is a servant of sin, and not a servant of righteousness.

If you are under grace, then sin shall not have dominion (reign) over you.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

So once again the proof of a true conversion and being born again "in Christ" is in the fruit it produces, whether of sin unto death, or of righteousness unto Eternal Life.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Let's see how they spin this. Just how far down the hyper-dispensationalist road are they willing to go?

LOL. You've found another "hyper" to label us with. Bravo!

 

[FreeNChrist]

Here is where many are proving themselves to be reprobate in these forums. They say they are under grace, but yet they also say they sin every day. They by their own confession prove themselves not to be "in Christ" and reprobate .

Jesus Christ came to set us free from sin, and to make us righteous as He is righteous by the power of His Spirit working in us. (note, not our own righteousness, but Christ's righteousness working in us) Grace does not reign in you by sin, but Gods grace reigns in you through Christ's righteousness.

Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

If your sinning, then sin reigns over you, and not grace through righteousness. Whosoever sins is of the Devil, and is a servant of sin, and not a servant of righteousness.

If you are under grace, then sin shall not have dominion (reign) over you.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

So once again the proof of a true conversion and being born again "in Christ" is in the fruit it produces, whether of sin unto death, or of righteousness unto Eternal Life.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Yeah, YOUR "righteousness" just screams out from your posts.

 

[BenFTW]

Here is where many are proving themselves to be reprobate in these forums. They say they are under grace, but yet they also say they sin every day. They by their own confession prove themselves not to be "in Christ" and reprobate .

Jesus Christ came to set us free from sin, and to make us righteous as He is righteous by the power of His Spirit working in us. (note, not our own righteousness, but Christ's righteousness working in us) Grace does not reign in you by sin, but Gods grace reigns in you through Christ's righteousness.

Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

If your sinning, then sin reigns over you, and not grace through righteousness. Whosoever sins is of the Devil, and is a servant of sin, and not a servant of righteousness.

If you are under grace, then sin shall not have dominion (reign) over you.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

So once again the proof of a true conversion and being born again "in Christ" is in the fruit it produces, whether of sin unto death, or of righteousness unto Eternal Life.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

In other words, you are a sinless perfectionist. Good to know, how have you achieved this supreme level of self-control and holiness? Please, enlighten us to your ways that compare to Christ's holiness.

 

[JGIG]

And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation.” Luke 11:4

For if you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:14-15

So Christ didn't really need to do the Work of the Cross, He only needed to exhort us to forgive people?

Just looking for clarification for your position.

. . . because I don't see the Work of Christ in what you said at all . . .

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

LOL. You've found another "hyper" to label us with. Bravo!

Did you see this one?

Nah, we're just grace experts. We're just beginning to learn about satanic hypergrace.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Did you see this one?

Oh my. I don't think we're in Kansas anymore Toto.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hey that reminds me...I just had the Major's book delivered today .."The Indwelling life of Christ.."....it may be time for the chapter " The ways of the flesh "....just sayin'

Yeah, YOUR "righteousness" just screams out from your posts.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Ephesians 4:32 King James Version (KJV)

32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Colossians 3:13King James Version (KJV)

13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

Are you, or are you not forgiven in Jesus Christ? You are. Did Jesus die in vain? I think not.

It's quite simple. Hath forgiven means sins that had already been committed were forgiven. It says nothing about future sins.

That's what this is for

And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation.” Luke 11:4

For if you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:14-15​

 

[3Scoreand10]

I find it so hard to understand how some claim to live without sin when John clearly states that those who say such are liars and they deceive themselves.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So Christ didn't really need to do the Work of the Cross, He only needed to exhort us to forgive people?

Just looking for clarification for your position.

. . . because I don't see the Work of Christ in what you said at all . . .

-JGIG

Oh my! Your spin isn't working too well. Try again.

For if you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:14-15​