False Prophets, False Christs, False Apostles, False Teachers

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BenFTW

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Ahem...if I may...

The criteria for flinging an accusation of false anything around these here parts is a subjective one at best...

For example, I would state that John MacArthur is a false teacher because he is a cessationist

You disagreed in another thread and I was not able to continue the discussion at the time

You can state that teaching what is not in the Bible or twisting what is in the Bible is a false teacher but I am convinced that cessationists are not teaching the truth...They are interpreting and believe they are correct even though scripture disagrees with them

I find plenty of bias throughout these forums and some folks believe they dont need teachers...its just them and their Bible correcting everyone who does not agree 100% with them

I dont know you well enough so dont take that personally please

Benny Hinn on the other hand can be proven to be a false prophet....he's made many so called prophecies that never come to pass

That is objectively true.....however disagreeing with a major part of the NT is also blatantly false
THIS explains a lot Ember... read on... (his response to my question of him being a cessationist or not).

For the most part yes. I don't see miracles active in the body today. I see a lot of counterfeits. Does this mean God isn't working any miracles at all? I think more than likely, yes, but am not opposed to the idea that he may still yet be doing them on extremely rare occasions. Scripture clearly defines God's providential nature. Something often misunderstood or rejected by continuationists. God's supremacy and sovereignty is something often misunderstood or rejected by continuationists as well.

Many claim they have to give God permission to do anything, making themselves more sovereign than God. Most of what comes out of churches that claim miracles and signs and wonders are still going on are very man-centered doctrines, churches who have perverted the Gospel in one way or another and made man supreme over God. The counter-argument is that cessationists are not working in the Holy Spirit, which is absurd. Cessationists typically have a better understanding of the Word and fewer false prophets and false teachers. If these churches who practice signs and wonders and miracles are so Spirit filled, why do they toss scripture out the window and base every thing on experience rather than the Word of God?

What we see today being called miracles attributed to the Holy Spirit:
Violent shaking
Unsubstantiated claims of "miraculous healing"
Unsubstantiated claims of resurrections
False babbling tongues
Claims of minor pain relief (back pain, headaches, etc., all inconsequential while real terminal illnesses remain)
Making animal noises
Uncontrollable laughter
Spiritual drunkeness
False visions
Very specific false prophecies
Vague, fortune teller like prophecies, often very bizarre in nature
Communing with spirits
Loss of control of oneself (loss of motor function, blacking out)
False signs (synchronistic events, coincidences, hearing voices, dreams, etc.)
Other bizarre things people call miracles and attribute to the Holy Spirit

What we see in the bible being called miraculous:
A sea parting
Public resurrections of the dead
Public instantaneous healings of terminal and incurable illnesses and severe disabilities
The sun stopping for a day
Fire and brimstone raining from the sky to destroy twin cities
A man being swallowed by a whale and being in it's belly for three days and three nights
Worldwide flood
Virgin birth
The plagues of Egypt
A burning bush that wasn't consumed and spoke
A staff turning into a serpent
Pillars of fire and smoke
The walls of Jericho falling
Shadrach Meshach and Abednego not consumed in the furnace
Miraculously understanding and or speaking a foreign language not previously known
And on and on it goes
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What we see today is in no way a comparison to biblical miracles.
 

BenFTW

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I don't mean to throw you under the bus ForthAngel, its just hypocrisy to accuse others of being false teachers when you yourself deny God's power and Holy Spirit currently moving in the earth today. God is, currently, operating in power in the earth, miraculous things and you would attribute it to satan (as you did in another thread). That is disheartening...

No only CC. This is most of the church in one form or another today. With the introduction of Jesus Culture and Bethel Church drawing in millions of young people, International House of Prayer, feel good preachers like ol' smilin' Joel and Joseph Prince, we are seeing what I would consider the great apostasy in action. It's wholly satanic.
 
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ForthAngel

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I don't mean to throw you under the bus ForthAngel, its just hypocrisy to accuse others of being false teachers when you yourself deny God's power and Holy Spirit currently moving in the earth today. God is, currently, operating in power in the earth, miraculous things and you would attribute it to satan (as you did in another thread). That is disheartening...
S'all good man. Yall do a great job of proving my point without me having to say much.

BTW, I never denied his power or the Holy Spirit. I properly defined what those actually are and clearly showed you the stark difference in real miracles and what you call miracles. Scripture is authority. Not personal experience.
 
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THIS explains a lot Ember... read on... (his response to my question of him being a cessationist or not).

The gifts of the Holy Spirit do exist still today !!!

However as ForthAngel pointed out there are counterfeit versions going around.

There was one on here that was trying to pass one of those counterfeit versions off on others and claimed the whole if you don't speak in tongues your not saved stance. They confused the whole baptism of the Holy Spirit which is when the Holy Spirit is given to us, with the filling of the Holy Spirit which is when the gifts are given by Him.

I had to go for the night but came back the next morning to continue talking to them about this, but found out they were already banned !!!
 
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S'all good man. Yall do a great job of proving my point without me having to say much.

BTW, I never denied his power or the Holy Spirit. I properly defined what those actually are and clearly showed you the stark difference in real miracles and what you call miracles. Scripture is authority. Not personal experience.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit do still exist today !!!

We should not go and think they don't just because false versions are out and about, because satan and his ministers will always take and mock God by doing their false versions to deceive people from the truth.
 

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The gifts of the Holy Spirit do still exist today !!!

We should not go and think they don't just because false versions are out and about, because satan and his ministers will always take and mock God by doing their false versions to deceive people from the truth.
Sic him Kenneth, get him boy! LOL :D I'm only kidding.
 
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Got it Ben..Im on my phone and basically using the mobile app which I find does not lend itself to the quote feature too well and copy paste is a drag...literally lol!

All that to explain why I'm not quoting if anyone is curious

At any rate, the ops answer reflects his subjective lean towards a rather quick decision to call someone false

The reply then is that you and I are also subjective....

So then, where is absolute truth in all of this?

A little deductive reasoning will easily ascertain that sometimes we look for evidence of what another has taught us without having a 'Berean' approach

We may have a favorite teacher, for example, and will defend what they teach rather than what scripture teaches

I grew up in a cessationist church and have come a long way. ..however the elders were not in the habit of ugliness and attacking others

You don't know this of course...but the reason I started posting here again was the attack made against you in another thread...an attack of an extreme personal nature. ..I logged on and saw the thread was closed and the person who attacked was banned.

I was going to give them what for

Im so sorry that happened

Its all your fault Im back lol!
 
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S'all good man. Yall do a great job of proving my point without me having to say much.

BTW, I never denied his power or the Holy Spirit. I properly defined what those actually are and clearly showed you the stark difference in real miracles and what you call miracles. Scripture is authority. Not personal experience.
This is the dividing line.
 
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The funny thing about these sites...they all use the exact same scriptures put forth on some threads....it is actually kind of funny..

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
-Matthew 7:21-23

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
-Ephesians 5:6

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
-Matthew 7:13-14

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].
-Ephesians 5:11



There will always be people on the internet that will take "parts" of what people say and take them out of context to make them look like they are saying something else.

just look at our examples here at CC..how many times have we said grace is not a liciense to sin..or that we believe in repetnace..and yet..people still say the complete opposite..

Look at these websites that took "parts" of Billy Graham's words and twisted them...there will always be this sort of garbage around..

Here is a garbage one about Billy.. This site is called "The path of truth"..lol

How the Lord Exposed Billy Graham

here he is accused of being a wolf in sheep's clothing..garbage..slander...

Wolves in Costume: Billy Graham
 
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Sic him Kenneth, get him boy! LOL :D I'm only kidding.
That is okay and I know you are kidding, as you are one of few that I can actually carry on a respectful debate with !!!

I wish others who believe as you do in the Grace only doctrine would follow your example !!!

Thank God
 

BenFTW

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Got it Ben..Im on my phone and basically using the mobile app which I find does not lend itself to the quote feature too well and copy paste is a drag...literally lol!

All that to explain why I'm not quoting if anyone is curious

At any rate, the ops answer reflects his subjective lean towards a rather quick decision to call someone false

The reply then is that you and I are also subjective....

So then, where is absolute truth in all of this?

A little deductive reasoning will easily ascertain that sometimes we look for evidence of what another has taught us without having a 'Berean' approach

We may have a favorite teacher, for example, and will defend what they teach rather than what scripture teaches

I grew up in a cessationist church and have come a long way. ..however the elders were not in the habit of ugliness and attacking others

You don't know this of course...but the reason I started posting here again was the attack made against you in another thread...an attack of an extreme personal nature. ..I logged on and saw the thread was closed and the person who attacked was banned.

I was going to give them what for

Im so sorry that happened

Its all your fault Im back lol!
All things work together for our good! lol That happened and you came back? A blessing in disguise. :D
 
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Mr 4th..You have not proven a thing I have though

You're so called proper exegesis is simply parroting teachers like the false Mr MacArthur
 
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Well Im sure glad you think I'm a blessing ;)
 
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Anyhows...suppertime in these here parts

Play nice kiddies. ...;)
 

ForthAngel

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The funny thing about these sites...they all use the exact same scriptures put forth on some threads....it is actually kind of funny..

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
-Matthew 7:21-23

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
-Ephesians 5:6

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
-Matthew 7:13-14

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].
-Ephesians 5:11
Let me give you some more then.

2 Timothy 4
1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

1 Timothy 6
2 Teach and urge these things. 3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, 4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, 5 and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. 6 But godliness with contentment is great gain, 7 for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. 8 But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

2 Corinthians 11
12 And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

Matthew 7
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

2 Peter 2
2 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

2 Peter 2
Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, 11 whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. 12 But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, 13 suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you. 14 They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! 15 Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, 16 but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.

2 Peter 2
17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. 18 For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”

End Time Deception of Satan
2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Plenty more where that comes from if you need them.
 
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Good OP video. Half way though it. Those WoF guys are such frauds. Here's a little intermission for everyone so they can take a break from the discussion. This is Benny Hinn's 'godly' wife expounding on the Holy Ghost Enema!

[video=youtube;2jhw_5ye8Qo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jhw_5ye8Qo[/video]
 
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ForthAngel

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Good OP video. Half way though it. Those WoF guys are such frauds. Here's a little intermission for everyone so they can take a break from the discussion. This is Benny Hinn's 'godly' wife expounding on the Holy Ghost Enema!

[video=youtube;2jhw_5ye8Qo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jhw_5ye8Qo[/video]
By their fruits you will recognize them. This is nauseating.
 

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Galatians 5[SUP]

22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.