Self Examination: Do you understand the Gospel?

[Brother_Don]

That was said in love, i'm not putting anybody down.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Some of the replies to this thread genuinely upset my stomach, like genuine repulsion. Your hatred, malice, and anti-Spirit words are horrendous. To call God's works satanic is just audaciously irresponsible. How ashamed you ought to be, I could see the Lord standing before some of you as the apostle Paul and say, once again, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting." Some of your replies bring out a righteous anger and indignation, to be opposed to God's workings and to attribute it to the devil. Just awful...

There's no question that any teaching that promotes denying the authority of any of Jesus' words for every believer is satanic.

 

[AboundingGrace]

Where did you get that cockamamie notion from??

Your response is so broad that it could be referring to anything, for instance, it's unclear as to exactly what phrase you respond to. So, I would request that you be more specific.

Not only that but your statement could be read as saying that the hypergrace teachings themselves are a cockamamie notion, and that you were asking me where examples were to be found on the internet for further examination of them. Is that perhaps what you meant?

Perhaps if you consider that I have it all wrong, you could point out what the teachings are, instead of just giving a response as you did.

 

[AboundingGrace]

Most likely from other people spreading propoganda about what we believe.. Instead of actually asking someone if they really believe that, They just trust what they are being told by others is true whether it is or not does not seem to matter to some people.

On the contrary, I have been reading up on the hypergrace teachings quoted from the books of a few of the teachers. It's quite true that they are merely exerpts from the books due to the legalities of putting any book online that is copyrighted. And, due to my financial limitations I am not able to purchase an entire book myself. Therefore, quotes will have to suffice. But nevertheless, I do prefer to have quotes directly from the horses mouth as it were because I am not satisfied with what others tell me that someone said.

As you have addressed FreeNChrist concerning what you think that I said.

 

[phil112]

............... The veil has been broken, ...............

Speaking of understanding the gospel, I'm pretty sure the veil was torn. Being made of cloth it would be hard to break unless it was somewhere below freezing temperature......................

 

[FreeNChrist]

Your response is so broad that it could be referring to anything, for instance, it's unclear as to exactly what phrase you respond to. So, I would request that you be more specific.

Not only that but your statement could be read as saying that the hypergrace teachings themselves are a cockamamie notion, and that you were asking me where examples were to be found on the internet for further examination of them. Is that perhaps what you meant?

Perhaps if you consider that I have it all wrong, you could point out what the teachings are, instead of just giving a response as you did.

Your premise is cockamamie, which is why that is what I quoted in my response. You are just another one who thinks they know better than others what they believe.

 

[AboundingGrace]

Your premise is cockamamie, which is why that is what I quoted in my response. You are just another one who thinks they know better than others what they believe.

This line of response does not do anything to address the issue, or to change my understanding of the teachings thus far. If someone had an idea of what I believed and told me, if it was wrong I'd endeavor to give a clear answer.

Or is the above response the kind of thing you'd say to an atheist who said something about your faith in Christ?

atheist: Your God is a hateful tyrant.
you: Your premise is a cockamamie notion.

But then, maybe you'd say that if you'd just been debating with another atheist who'd gotten on your nerves so much that your better line of thinking had run out of gas.

 

[FreeNChrist]

This line of response does not do anything to address the issue, or to change my understanding of the teachings thus far. If someone had an idea of what I believed and told me, if it was wrong I'd endeavor to give a clear answer.

Or is the above response the kind of thing you'd say to an atheist who said something about your faith in Christ?

atheist: Your God is a hateful tyrant.
you: Your premise is a cockamamie notion.

But then, maybe you'd say that if you'd just been debating with another atheist who'd gotten on your nerves so much that your better line of thinking had run out of gas.

It has everything to do with your cockamamie premise. It is you who are not addressing the issue.

 

[BeyondET]

I mentioned before in another post, we can also look to nature to see scripture at work.

the mother pelican who can't find food for her young will pull off her own skin to feed her young so they will live another day.

some female spiders will let her young eat her so they can live another day.

 

[AboundingGrace]

It has everything to do with your cockamamie premise. It is you who are not addressing the issue.

And still you take no time to give an example of how to correctly address the issue, or to even identify what the issue is.

Thus I will continue with my research and arrive at my own conclusions as I have done so far. At this stage I find nothing from your examples to ingratiate me to the teachings. But as I said, you must be running on empty to search for a better response.. though you still I think would prefer to have spoken the final word on the issue, whatever it is.

Shall I begin to call your responses of the cockamamie variety?

 

[phil112]

It has everything to do with your cockamamie premise. It is you who are not addressing the issue.

And still you take no time to give an example of how to correctly address the issue, or to even identify what the issue is.

Thus I will continue with my research and arrive at my own conclusions as I have done so far. At this stage I find nothing from your examples to ingratiate me to the teachings. But as I said, you must be running on empty to search for a better response.. though you still I think would prefer to have spoken the final word on the issue, whatever it is.

Shall I begin to call your responses of the cockamamie variety?

You guys are starting trouble without me? That's pretty selfish of you!

 

[Depleted]

Speaking of understanding the gospel, I'm pretty sure the veil was torn. Being made of cloth it would be hard to break unless it was somewhere below freezing temperature......................

I bet it really was a cold day in Hell though!

 

[AboundingGrace]

You guys are starting trouble without me? That's pretty selfish of you!

There's no intention of starting trouble, nor intention of being selfish. I'm simply using the word cockamamie in one of it's many definitions, to describe the pointless disagreeable statements coming from FiC. Especially when I never addressed him or anyone on this discussion board in my post concerning the topic of hyper grace.

None need have responded, but they did. So as the saying goes, I guess that they prefer to resemble my remarks.

 

[vic1980]

Here is a remembrance verification of living for the Gospel.

WARNING : For those that are still living worldly--mere infants in Christ, you might not understand it clearly, but i ask you to pray for understanding in Jesus Christ mighty name.

2 Corinthians 6

Paul's Hardships and God's Grace

1We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)3Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed: 4But in all thingsapproving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, 5In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings; 6By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned, 7By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, 8By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; 9As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; 10As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.11O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged. 12Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels. 13Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.Do Not Be Unequally Yoked

(Exodus 29:45-46)

14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Shalom

 

[ATH1]

Hi Ben,
I just read your 1st post and would like to comment.

maybe this has been discussed somewhere in these other posts, but we need to discern Gods word with common sense.
1 Jesus died on the cross for all who would believe upon him. So this does NOT apply to those that do not believe upon Jesus saving grace.
Before grace, God gave us the law and God knew that man could not live without breaking the law. Therefore hardly anyone could be saved, When Jesus died on the cross, He did NOT take away the law, we are still under the law, but the saving grace for those who believe in Jesus can be forgiven... IF, i repeat IF we are truly repentant!!! We just can't go around breaking the commandments every day and than say we are sorry and continue to repeat this every day. Foregiveness is NOT automatic. we have to be repentant and change from what we do to obtain forgiveness.

I hope you understand the difference.

allan

 

[TMS]

Hi Ben i just read the first post as well and i'll admit i didn't read all of them but there seems to be a debate about salvation and what it is and what the Gospel is?????
Legalistic and liberal views have been around for a long time (and everything in between).

Will everyone that has lived be saved? No
did Jesus die for everyone? Yes

There must be a condition to salvation. What is the condition???

Don't say believing in Jesus and His death because many will be saved that didn't ever know Jesus and the Bible states that even the devils believe and tremble.

It is all about the heart which nobody can judge. True faith and true love of Jesus (God) is what it is about.

 

[crossnote]

I mentioned before in another post, we can also look to nature to see scripture at work.

the mother pelican who can't find food for her young will pull off her own skin to feed her young so they will live another day.

some female spiders will let her young eat her so they can live another day.

And in our case the posters will eat each other just to post another day?

 

[crossnote]

Hi Ben i just read the first post as well and i'll admit i didn't read all of them but there seems to be a debate about salvation and what it is and what the Gospel is?????
Legalistic and liberal views have been around for a long time (and everything in between).

Will everyone that has lived be saved? No
did Jesus die for everyone? Yes

There must be a condition to salvation. What is the condition???

Don't say believing in Jesus and His death because many will be saved that didn't ever know Jesus and the Bible states that even the devils believe and tremble.

It is all about the heart which nobody can judge. True faith and true love of Jesus (God) is what it is about.

If it is not about believing in Jesus and His death FOR ME then how much 'true love' must I do before I am saved?

 

[TMS]

If it is not about believing in Jesus and His death FOR ME then how much 'true love' must I do before I am saved?

Devils believe that Jesus died for the sins of mankind and believe His blood paid the price, but don't love Jesus for it. People confess these truths about the Gospel and know the facts about the bible that doesn't mean that they Love Jesus. Love isn't a knowleage about Jesus, It is Knowing Jesus.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[crossnote]

Devils believe that Jesus died for the sins of mankind and believe His blood paid the price, but don't love Jesus for it. People confess these truths about the Gospel and know the facts about the bible that doesn't mean that they Love Jesus. Love isn't a knowleage about Jesus, It is Knowing Jesus.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The devils aren't given the Gospel and Christ never died for them so it is immaterial what they believe.
The saving difference of the Gospel is not that Jesus died for mankind's sins but that He died 'For Me'. There needs to be that personal trust.
Then the Holy Spirit is given and the person is regenerated (born again)and goes on to bear fruit.
We are not saved by our fruit as you seem to indicate.

Here is the Gospel, by which you are SAVED...


1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
[1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; [2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: