That's it... EVERYBODY STOP!!

[eternally-gratefull]

Just something to consider. I see you most hateful to fellow believers, not atheists.

They are not fellow believers. They are my enemy, and an enemy of the cross.

I am strong against those who teach another gospel. Not against those who teach other non essential doctrines..

And I will not be hateful to an atheist, He needs God.. And he is not a threat To Gods gospel by teaching a false gospel.

 

[Depleted]

hi lost sheep.

the problem is that on secular or atheistic forums they don't really have much concern whether you believe one or the other, It is a matter of the head. But on here you have people who believe from the HEART what they teach. And they find others denying it. That is why they 'rise in arms'. What they believe really matters. and usually they are 'attacking' someone who they see as leading other astray

Have you ever talked to a staunch atheist? They use both head and heart too.

 

[Depleted]

They are not fellow believers. They are my enemy, and an enemy of the cross.

I am strong against those who teach another gospel. Not against those who teach other non essential doctrines..

And I will not be hateful to an atheist, He needs God.. And he is not a threat To Gods gospel by teaching a false gospel.

Right, like I was saying, it has to be exactly your way or "They are not fellow believers. They are my enemy"

Exactly what I've been saying. Thanks for the perfect example.

 

[Lost_sheep]

hi lost sheep.

the problem is that on secular or atheistic forums they don't really have much concern whether you believe one or the other, It is a matter of the head. But on here you have people who believe from the HEART what they teach. And they find others denying it. That is why they 'rise in arms'. What they believe really matters. and usually they are 'attacking' someone who they see as leading other astray

I guess that makes sense, but it's still a silly way to spend time and it's done in such a childish way. I have no opinions about teaching or doctrine one way or the other, and I'm not sure I want to develop any based on what I've seen in a lot of the threads on these forums. I spent all night reading through the archives, and it's practically all the same - Christians being mean to other Christians.

I think I probably ought to just stick to the Singles forum and the Heavenly Recipes forum. At least the discussions there are somewhat civilized.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Right, like I was saying, it has to be exactly your way or "They are not fellow believers. They are my enemy"

Exactly what I've been saying. Thanks for the perfect example.

Yes, and to make it clear.

There is ONE GOSPEL.

If I teach one gospel. and you teach another gospel. Only one of us will get to heaven, One of us is in grave error.

So if you can not back YOUR OWN gospel. then you do not have much faith do you?

We are enemies if we teach another gospel. You can not get around that, Unless you believe in universalism, and that people can get to heaven different ways.

 

[NayborBear]

That could be Texan. Doesn't sound Virginian, nor Mississippian. (Must talk to cousins about moving to a shorter-named state. Ohio. Maine. We got some shorter-named states, ya know.)

That's because?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov4epAJRPMw

 

[Depleted]

I guess that makes sense, but it's still a silly way to spend time and it's done in such a childish way. I have no opinions about teaching or doctrine one way or the other, and I'm not sure I want to develop any based on what I've seen in a lot of the threads on these forums. I spent all night reading through the archives, and it's practically all the same - Christians being mean to other Christians.

I think I probably ought to just stick to the Singles forum and the Heavenly Recipes forum. At least the discussions there are somewhat civilized.

Sorry, but that's like judging who Kevin Bacon is solely by what Edmund Bacon (his father) was like. It is silly to judge someone by kin, especially since most if his kin is adopted. So, don't go blaming God because his children are unruly. God is still God even when we don't act like his children.

Or put it closer at home, should I judge you completely based on how your family acts?

Likewise, I will not accept you blaming God for whatever just because we might be jerks!

 

[Depleted]

Yes, and to make it clear.

There is ONE GOSPEL.

If I teach one gospel. and you teach another gospel. Only one of us will get to heaven, One of us is in grave error.

So if you can not back YOUR OWN gospel. then you do not have much faith do you?

We are enemies if we teach another gospel. You can not get around that, Unless you believe in universalism, and that people can get to heaven different ways.

Yada, yada, yeahyeahyeah. Pretty much why I usually don't bother reading anything you say. You're too busy proving you're always right instead of exchanging thoughts on anything to anybody. You DON'T teach any gospel. You teach your opinion about everything and why you're always right. So much for trying to get you to consider one thing even.

 

[crossnote]

I've only been here a few days, and what I've seen s far from people is abhorrent and deplorable. There is much worse behavior from people on these forums...CHRISTIAN forums, then I have seen on many other forums. Secular, atheist forums have more polite, more friendly exchanges than what I have seen on these forums right here.

Oh, but don't call anyone out on it because you'll see their fangs come out.

I'm not a Christian and I make no secret of that fact. I'm trying to decide if it's the right choice for me. If becoming a Christian means being haughty and arguing with my fellow Christians while throwing verses of scripture around to make my point for me, while cementing myself in a very narrow box of doctrine...then maybe I don't want to become a Christian.

I was under the mistaken impression that Christians were supposed to act as "Christ-like" as they can, but it appears that a whole lot of them act like petulant children who need a spanking and sent to their room without supper.

True about the name calling.
But when it comes to 'throwing Scripture around' everything Jesus said was in a sense Scripture

 

[Willie-T]

I think what bugs me more than most things is someone deliberately trying to paint a picture of God that, it seems, they are hoping will discourage people from wanting to find Him.

 

[crossnote]

Rough estimate? About one in every 300 posts on here is "legitimate criticism." Most are "my way or you're a hyper, pants-wearing, tribulating, (non) denominational, inferior-bible-version, daughter of a...."

and don't forget 'religious', after all that is the latest 'slam'.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yada, yada, yeahyeahyeah. Pretty much why I usually don't bother reading anything you say. You're too busy proving you're always right instead of exchanging thoughts on anything to anybody. You DON'T teach any gospel. You teach your opinion about everything and why you're always right. So much for trying to get you to consider one thing even.

Yada Yada Yada.

I just stated a statement of fact. I did not even say I had the right gospel and they had the wrong one. I just said if we have different gospel, we are enemies.

And that's why we do not get along, Because you always think I claim or say stuff I never said.

Or your a universalist. and think we will all get to heaven. My and my faith, and the next man and his works will both hug and praise God in heaven,

Well news flash. We both will not be in heaven, Either he will, or I will. What you or I think does not matter..

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Has anyone noticed how every once in a while a thread like this appears from a new member? And then a post appears from another new member who claims to not be a Christian, and who expresses doubts about becoming a Christian because of the way Christians act? It's almost predictable.

 

[crossnote]

And 98% of the people on here could say that verbatim and think the same thing. The problem is if someone doesn't agree with US exactly, that's when we start talking about THEIR venom.

Most stuff argued on here isn't to the level of saying the other isn't a "True Christian." It's just arguing lint, while ignoring the clothes.

Examples:
-- Post, Pre, no tribulation argued all the time, but it's not important enough to say any of those folks aren't "True Christians."
-- Blahblahblah hyper blahblahblah, and it's not important enough to say any of those folks aren't "True Christians."
-- Law, grace, blahblahblah, and it's not important enough to say any of those folks aren't "True Christians."
-- Pants, dresses, sandals with socks, blahblahblah, and it's not important enough to say any of those folks aren't "True Christians."
-- Wesleyan, Calvinist, blahblahblah, and it's not important enough to say any of those folks aren't "True Christians."

And yet, take a look. This is exactly the kind of crap people argue about while calling everyone else venomous.

Law/Grace? Better back up. As long as one isn't pinning salvation on our law keeping otherwise they are anathema/accursed.


I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
(Gal 1:6-9)

 

[Lost_sheep]

Has anyone noticed how every once in a while a thread like this appears from a new member? And then a post appears from another new member who claims to not be a Christian, and who expresses doubts about becoming a Christian because of the way Christians act? It's almost predictable.

And why do you think that is? Could it be that so very many of you "good Christians" don't act anything like the man you claim to love, and your behavior puts serious doubts into the minds of people like me who have had lifelong questions about God, but have found the biggest barrier to their faith to be the "believers" that are so radical in their methodology of evangelizing that were any of them to knock on my door to deliver the "good news", they'd be met with the business end of my Remington 870 and told to vacate immediately from my premises.

I'd dearly love to sit down and talk to a real Christian. I'm still waiting to meet one.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And why do you think that is? Could it be that so very many of you "good Christians" don't act anything like the man you claim to love, and your behavior puts serious doubts into the minds of people like me who have had lifelong questions about God, but have found the biggest barrier to their faith to be the "believers" that are so radical in their methodology of evangelizing that were any of them to knock on my door to deliver the "good news", they'd be met with the business end of my Remington 870 and told to vacate immediately from my premises.

I'd dearly love to sit down and talk to a real Christian. I'm still waiting to meet one.

Like I said that should prove to you Christianity is real.

Satan attacks truth,, That's why there is so much division. Satan attacks..

Have you even tried to find a church?

 

[Jimbone]

I think what bugs me more than most things is someone deliberately trying to paint a picture of God that, it seems, they are hoping will discourage people from wanting to find Him.

Agreed 100%, I also hate when they paint a picture of a God completely of their own making, like they they make God adhere to how they "think" He would be and paint a false picture of who He REALLY is. They do this instead of letting Him tell us who He is through His word and by the Holy Spirit. You can never truly get to know anyone by telling them who they are, you have to listen and let them reveal themselves to you.

 

[crossnote]

I think what bugs me more than most things is someone deliberately trying to paint a picture of God that, it seems, they are hoping will discourage people from wanting to find Him.

Yeah, poor Jesus...

And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
(Joh 6:65-67)

 

[Txroads]

In Ephesians 6 it is stated that our contentions and strivings are in fact not with other
human people, but against “principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness [evil spirits] in high places.”


In Ephesians 2:2, humans have been walking “according to the course of this world,
according to the prince of the power of the air [Satan], the spirit that now worketh
in the children of disobedience.”

This invisible spirit world (Colossians 1:15-16) is very real but because it is invisible
it has been a mystery. The fact that holy angels and evil spirits are invisible does not
negate their existence.

The Bible explains: “If our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom
the god of this world [Satan] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not”
(2 Corinthians 4:3-4). Satan is the god of this world and is a deciever.

((ok well I didn't invite satan or pricipalities or any of them other things... Just regular God fearing folks..... Ssshh))

 

[Lost_sheep]

Like I said that should prove to you Christianity is real.

Satan attacks truth,, That's why there is so much division. Satan attacks..

Have you even tried to find a church?

I have tried to find a church, but as of yet, I haven't found one that I like. There are so many differences among them that I'm not sure yet where is the right place for me to be.