the Q? is can a Christian be pro-gay Marriage ? I think that is not a real good Q>? a better one would be, If a Christian supports gay-Marriage does that Change Gods' Defintion of Marriage as HE said it should be? No it does not. A christian can support whatever he or she likes however, just because they do; Will NOT Change Gods' Mind one bit. Gen 2:24 One man one women .
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I'll just leave this here. It's not very long. You just can't justify that the Bible teaches homosexuality is valid. It's not.
Does the Bible condemn homosexuality - creation.com
Does the Bible condemn homosexuality - creation.com
Well Vernon actually ,
the bible does speak very clearly what Marriage is to be and the bible is very clear homosexuality is a sin. even those who claim to be gay pastors preach that. But lets just say for the sake of arugment and take God out of the equation. the very act is self destructive as Nature and life does not support it. it take a male and a female to bring for life of it's kind. Now you can say I choose to love who I want to but that would mean you are agreeing with the emotion which could be deceptive . If this sexual preference was so normal then why are so little involved in it? less than 1 % of the world population claims to be gay and I am being very giving with that % too. it is completely against the Natural order of attraction which is needed to carry on the race of people and 99.98% of people are in line with that .
Now if you Bring God into the topic again you cannot argue God is love and say "scripture was canonized by humans who had a dogma, books which disagreed were proclaimed anathema." that same thing can be said about the context of God's love then. You cannot say God is love to justfy what God said in the same dogmatic books homosexuality is sin. That is called- self deceived and error in biblical interpretation
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I am impressed that this thread made it this far, as if both sides of the argument had to be defended. That's odd... On this forum especially, this should be very one sided. Though God calls us to love our neighbors, that doesn't mean love and accept all they do. I have even heard some yahoos say that any time the bible talks about a man loving another man dearly, it was a gay relationship. This is just non-sense. There should be no need to defend this.
God loves everyone, but it doesn't mean that we don't break His heart when we engage in activities such as homosexuality. To try to defend it in any way is just ridiculous and to present any scripture justifying is flat out heresy and blasphemy!
God loves everyone, but it doesn't mean that we don't break His heart when we engage in activities such as homosexuality. To try to defend it in any way is just ridiculous and to present any scripture justifying is flat out heresy and blasphemy!
Vernon, either you are not a Christian or you are a Christian who is confused. Let us see what Jesus thinks about the subject and what love is according to God who is love as well as other things. Also your argument against the canon of the Bible as we have it today is refuted by Josh McDowell in his book Evidence That Demands A Verdict as well as the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. He also has others that give evidence for the Christian faith which one really should consider before they accept or reject God in their hearts. These books continue what he started in the first book. They are called More Evidence That Demands A Verdict and New Evidence That Demands A Verdict.
Matthew 19:4-6
Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Mark 10:6-9
“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Genesis 2:18, 20b-24
The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”... But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
As for you going against Scripture, this passage lovingly speaks out against you.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
All Scripture means both the Old and New Testaments.
We are not picking and choosing what we believe, it is you who is upholding this heresy and cherry-picking what you want. Our other response to you is found in Acts.
Acts 5:29
We must obey God rather than men!
As for God's definition for love it is found in 1 Corinthians 13 as well as in the words of Jesus in the gospels
1 Corinthians 13:4-8
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.
Repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose from the dead on the third day. Follow Jesus do not follow the world and its false teachings. When God says something is wrong in both the Old and the New Testaments it is wrong no matter what culture, society, and/ or your wicked and deceitful heart says. God bless. Have a beautiful day!
Matthew 19:4-6
Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Mark 10:6-9
“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Genesis 2:18, 20b-24
The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”... But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
As for you going against Scripture, this passage lovingly speaks out against you.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
All Scripture means both the Old and New Testaments.
We are not picking and choosing what we believe, it is you who is upholding this heresy and cherry-picking what you want. Our other response to you is found in Acts.
Acts 5:29
We must obey God rather than men!
As for God's definition for love it is found in 1 Corinthians 13 as well as in the words of Jesus in the gospels
1 Corinthians 13:4-8
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.
Repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose from the dead on the third day. Follow Jesus do not follow the world and its false teachings. When God says something is wrong in both the Old and the New Testaments it is wrong no matter what culture, society, and/ or your wicked and deceitful heart says. God bless. Have a beautiful day!
Ones "self identity" in Christ. Whats so messed up about the whole thing is that this is a created social class based on sexual preference. If this holds true, then people who like to engage in illicit acts with animals have the same rights to marry and have all the tax benefits that come with it. This isn't race or gender equality, this is asking for it to be legal to unnaturally have sex and be recognized for how you like to have sex. So, once again, in that case, animal lovers unite!!!
And I seriously don't see God saying "Oh, you identify with having sex with animals, cool! Come get your reward"
And I seriously don't see God saying "Oh, you identify with having sex with animals, cool! Come get your reward"
as it is today no fundamentalist is reaching the LGBTQ folks with anything but hatred and condemnation.
God is love, so if we present God as who he is, in truth, I can not understand how anyone would reject him. God loves everyone and desires for none to perish, if God desires for none to perish, then guess what 'none will perish".
I can hear the fundies screaming:"most will perish" only thoses who believe like us will be saved!!! (Nutsville USA)
they preach hatred and exclusion. They do not preach the truth.
Jesus saved everyone, what, you think God is not able to save everyone? Is he weak and full of hatred like we are?
God has saved everyone through Jesus Christ, to deny this is against scripture and all true believers know this.
Many will suffer, because we all must suffer as our Lord suffered. You will either suffer in this life or you will suffer in the life to be revealed.
You want some to suffer eternally while God saves you? Are you out of your mind? Jesus died for all humanity. Gid saved everyone.
some will suffer beyond our understanding to reach the truth, while others will enter in with little sufferage, but we will all understand the separation of hate and love and why God is love.
i condemn no one because I have seen the light and have lived in darkness, and realize from my experience that God has saved all humanity, and is bringing all to the revelation of his love revealed in Jesus Christ.
God is love, so if we present God as who he is, in truth, I can not understand how anyone would reject him. God loves everyone and desires for none to perish, if God desires for none to perish, then guess what 'none will perish".
I can hear the fundies screaming:"most will perish" only thoses who believe like us will be saved!!! (Nutsville USA)
they preach hatred and exclusion. They do not preach the truth.
Jesus saved everyone, what, you think God is not able to save everyone? Is he weak and full of hatred like we are?
God has saved everyone through Jesus Christ, to deny this is against scripture and all true believers know this.
Many will suffer, because we all must suffer as our Lord suffered. You will either suffer in this life or you will suffer in the life to be revealed.
You want some to suffer eternally while God saves you? Are you out of your mind? Jesus died for all humanity. Gid saved everyone.
some will suffer beyond our understanding to reach the truth, while others will enter in with little sufferage, but we will all understand the separation of hate and love and why God is love.
i condemn no one because I have seen the light and have lived in darkness, and realize from my experience that God has saved all humanity, and is bringing all to the revelation of his love revealed in Jesus Christ.
Though I am not a fundamentalist, I will say this. It is hard to reach them with any message as their "Life Style" is extremely worldly and based on satisfying themselves. Its not a matter of saying "You must love the opposite sex" , that's a bad way to go about it. Rather, see that in Christ, you can leave all the sexual urges behind. But yes, show them Christ. Don't toss a bible at them.
I guess Peter was a fundie...deal with it.
2 Peter 3:5-7 KJV
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: [7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2 Peter 3:5-7 KJV
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: [7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.