-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
K
Christ stopping the execution isn't rejecting the judicial system for the time, which required the person to be executed?
The fact that the bible states it needs two or three witnesses doesn't go against modern standards for capital punishment cases?
I understand that you believe God ordains everything the government does, but when it conflicts with the word of God, you choose to follow man?
The fact that the bible states it needs two or three witnesses doesn't go against modern standards for capital punishment cases?
I understand that you believe God ordains everything the government does, but when it conflicts with the word of God, you choose to follow man?
M
There is nothing circular about a scripture that says in evident words that God upholds the judicial process of earthly government ...the fact that you want to ignore the scripture, does not change the truth and does not move me from the truth.
Your position that capital punishment is not biblical under the New Covenant ..is just wrong and its evident that its wrong to anyone that can read and believes the bible.
Your position that capital punishment is not biblical under the New Covenant ..is just wrong and its evident that its wrong to anyone that can read and believes the bible.
K
It's not evident when it's about 50/50 who agree/disagree with it. It's not evident as Christ stopped an execution. It's not evident as Christ perpetually taught "mercy" over "sacrifice". Christ made it almost a badge of honor to go against the judicial system of His day. Remember the law of the Sabbath?
It's not "ignoring" scripture to interpret it differently than you. If we don't agree with you, we don't know God or his Word or we are ignoring it. It couldn't be because we possibly disagree with your interpretation...
It's not "ignoring" scripture to interpret it differently than you. If we don't agree with you, we don't know God or his Word or we are ignoring it. It couldn't be because we possibly disagree with your interpretation...
M
That authority was from the law of Moses ...and the authority of heaven. Christ changed all that..the authority of the government of man to punish evil-doers with the sword is always upheld and clearly approved in the New Testament. Can you not read?
Ro 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Ro 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
K
Now you're asking if I can read... before asking if I could read I was ignoring it... before that I don't know God or His word.
When I've done the best of my ability to express why I don't agree with your interpretation, you seem to be ignoring that and sticking with silly questions/accusations.
It's not a fruitful discussion with you, yet again.
When I've done the best of my ability to express why I don't agree with your interpretation, you seem to be ignoring that and sticking with silly questions/accusations.
It's not a fruitful discussion with you, yet again.
M
I assume you're German? I'm not sure what the laws in Europe are, I imagine they are more liberal when it comes to the death penalty, but I am against executing people. I actually wrote a letter to Arnold Swarzanegger when he was the govenor of my state (California) asking his views on it and he (or most likely his staff) wrote me back a letter saying he believes it to remain a state issue. How I feel about this personally is different though than how I want the government to deal with things. In the bible God killed all kinds of people, the guilty and the innocent. Look at the great flood. Imagine all the innocent babies that drowned while Noah was riding the waves. The first born children in Egypt during the plauges. All that stuff. When Jesus came along he said to turn the other cheek. No more an eye for an eye stuff. But at the end of the day the government shouldn't be in the buisness of killing people. It serves no puropse. It's never been shown to reduce crime. Every time some kid goes on a killing spree here in the USA it's usually in a state that already has the death penalty. Arizona, California, Colorado, etc. If someone feels revenge is the ultimate justice, than that's fine but most people are not going to get the closure they're looking for anyway. I'm for taking anyone serving a life sentence and sending them back to the penal colony known as Australia.
D
If innocent and stuck in prison anyway, frankly I'd rather be put to death than spend 20-50 years of my life constantly terrified of the people around me or have to make the choice to kill them to save my own life or to stop being raped. There is another life after death and I know where I'm going. It is joy. Why do we keep pretending that staying alive as long as possible in this life is THE only answer?
I do love how people assume staying alive in prison isn't "cruel and unusual punishment."
And, statistically speaking, a potential percentage isn't a percentage. Charlie Manson should have been killed deades ago, but because some person somewhere MIGHT be innocent, he lives. His victims families still live with that every day.
I have not quit on believing God's word speaks of what to do if a person murders someone. I understand the full law on that one, and, no, Charlie Manson does NOT qualify for a city of refuge. He qualifies with "should be dead already."
I do love how people assume staying alive in prison isn't "cruel and unusual punishment."
And, statistically speaking, a potential percentage isn't a percentage. Charlie Manson should have been killed deades ago, but because some person somewhere MIGHT be innocent, he lives. His victims families still live with that every day.
I have not quit on believing God's word speaks of what to do if a person murders someone. I understand the full law on that one, and, no, Charlie Manson does NOT qualify for a city of refuge. He qualifies with "should be dead already."