Let me ask you something.

[resurrection33]

Depending on how this is meant, it COULD be a train heading for a wreck when John finds that he will still sin, even though not wanting to.

To this day, John struggles with temptation. However, he knows what happens when he gives in to temptation, and he knows what happens when he resists temptation.

 

[popeye]

And when mr DOE'S bubble pops?

 

[Willie-T]

Yes, there are those who have claimed John's testimony is unbiblical.

Then I have a chapter about holding onto faith from one of C. S. Lewis' books that I would like to send him....... if he doesn't care to read the whole book.

 

[resurrection33]

John isn't a pastor if he just became a Christian.

John isn't really a pastor. I was just tying to illustrate a point, but John has been a Christian for a long time.

 

[Blain]

To this day, John struggles with temptation. However, he knows what happens when he gives in to temptation, and he knows what happens when he resists temptation.

Sooooo is this or isn't this about the sinless doctrine?

 

[Willie-T]

John isn't really a pastor. I was just tying to illustrate a point, but John has been a Christian for a long time.

I know.........................

 

[resurrection33]

One must consider what is ( unbiblical) the main issue is Christians have hundreds of denominations and within each one of those denominations different beliefs views different ideas of what is biblical and un biblical.

One can take the most simple, easy to understand issue and turn it into a maze, can't they?

 

[pottersclay]

Heaven the realm which God resides is real...a real place.

 

[Willie-T]

If John is convinced he experienced, or is experiencing, Heaven, then is this really a necessary thing for others to hear? Is it "The Gospel?" It might actually lead another to feel they are not really saved if they have not experienced the same thing. Kind of like some Pentecostals telling others they spoke in tongues at conversion, and that if they don't also.........

 

[resurrection33]

If he is a pastor then he more than anyone must first make sure he is preaching the gospel not his own view of the gospel second it's one thing to preach to a body of people but another thing entirely to bombard them with them it. people who are known as bible thumpers or at least before the entire Christian community became labeled as that were people who were relentless they bombarded people with it so much so that they actually ran people away from Christianity. The more people didn't listen the more relentless they were.

A pastor normally doesn't bombard people with the gospel he preaches and teaches it then leaves it in God's hands as to if the hearts receive it or not

Well, traditionally pastors give sermons, so if you walk into a church on Sunday, you have to expect to hear one, and I don't think I go too far out on a limb if I say that a good pastor will quote Jesus Christ.

 

[coby]

I think John has reached the correct conclusion. Some Christians believe heaven is a place and I think they are wrong. Heaven is what your life turns into when you repent of your sin. Why do you think the Lord told us to repent?

We are seated with Him in the heavenly places.

 

[John146]

The kingdom of heaven was at hand. Through the Davidic covenant, Jesus not only came to die for mankind's sins, but to fulfill the covenant given to Israel concerning their Messiah ruling and reigning in the kingdom on earth in Jerusalem with the rightful king on the throne...Jesus Christ!

Let’s say John Doe did as Jesus commanded and repented of his sin. Then most of John’s worries disappeared. "This is heaven," he thinks to himself, "just as Jesus described:"

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV

Naturally, John is excited about this and wants to share what he has learned with others. To his surprise, others do not welcome the news. “It’s unbiblical!” they say over and over again.

So, should John keep what he’s learned to himself?

 

[resurrection33]

And when mr DOE'S bubble pops?

It won't .

 

[Willie-T]

Well, traditionally pastors give sermons, so if you walk into a church on Sunday, you have to expect to hear one, and I don't think I go too far out on a limb if I say that a good pastor will quote Jesus Christ.

In truth, "The Gospel" is hardly ever taught from the pulpit at our church (or anywhere in our denomination).... maybe twice a year. But it is "preached" almost every day by the members.

 

[resurrection33]

Then I have a chapter about holding onto faith from one of C. S. Lewis' books that I would like to send him....... if he doesn't care to read the whole book.

Now you have me confused. John has his weaknesses, but I don't think lack of faith is one of them, not in this context, anyway.

 

[resurrection33]

Sooooo is this or isn't this about the sinless doctrine?

What is the sinless doctrine?

 

[Blain]

Well, traditionally pastors give sermons, so if you walk into a church on Sunday, you have to expect to hear one, and I don't think I go too far out on a limb if I say that a good pastor will quote Jesus Christ.

I have been in many churches and honestly in most of them the name Jesus Christ is rarely ever said in the pastors sermons

 

[resurrection33]

Heaven the realm which God resides is real...a real place.

Place? Does place have to be a physical entity? If I have a beautiful life and am secure with the Lord, isn't that a place?

 

[Blain]

What is the sinless doctrine?

The belief that one is without sin period they never sin and teach and preach that if you sin you are living in sin and sin has power over you and you are not saved. Literally you sin once and that's it, most of the people who teach this believe themselves to be on a holy pedestal

 

[Willie-T]

Now you have me confused. John has his weaknesses, but I don't think lack of faith is one of them, not in this context, anyway.

Not "lack of faith", but a faltering faith in all he feels was shown him, and his total confidence and trust in it's validity. I, for instance am sure I actually, physically met Jesus, but if after telling that, only to be laughed at a hundred times, I might find that my "assurance" might become a little less positive....... IF I did not know how to hold onto that facet of my faith.