An Often Overlooked Sign of the Last Days
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Here is a few that could be helpful in respects to the last day
Jesus said,
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Three things are boasted of as being done by many in his name
On that day manywill say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
Those things are left untouched, whereas the one thing pointed out by him is shown here
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (See 2 Ti 2:15)
In the above, he says, I never knew you and for what reason ( and below also) who he will not know
A froward heart shall depart from me: I will not know a wicked person.
The apostles have pointed out saying
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy
And on the last day they which did so do mention this very same
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,
And even as Jesus says this,
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues
And again we see on the last day they are shown saying likewise
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not... cast out demons in your name,
As well as them and doing many mighty works in his name, even as it says,
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
But first it says (concernig iniquities) this
Acts 3:26
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities
So to bless in turning away from each ones inquities and redeem us from all the same and purify us to be zealous of good works
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
And here we see they are prophesying, casting out devils, and doing many wonderful works (even in Jesus Christ name) as Jesus points out all three, and three times (as done specifically so) in his name
Matt 7: 22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And what he would profess to them (and what for reason)
Mat 7: 23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity.
Even as Paul warns to depart from iniquity here
2 Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity
As Paul can be perceived as being keenly aware of what Jesus would say at that day to many
Matt 7: 23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity.
So it shows us in one, to depart from inquity and in the other they are told to depart from him ye that work it. The casting out of devils, and prophesying and wonderful works didnt seem to be the problem (these same things would be shown in them which believed) and it also says, "the gifts and callings" of God (more specifically) are without repentance, but that still wouldnt negate that it is God's will (and by his kindness) that all should come to it just the same.
Jesus said,
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Three things are boasted of as being done by many in his name
On that day manywill say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
Those things are left untouched, whereas the one thing pointed out by him is shown here
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (See 2 Ti 2:15)
In the above, he says, I never knew you and for what reason ( and below also) who he will not know
A froward heart shall depart from me: I will not know a wicked person.
The apostles have pointed out saying
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy
And on the last day they which did so do mention this very same
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,
And even as Jesus says this,
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues
And again we see on the last day they are shown saying likewise
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not... cast out demons in your name,
As well as them and doing many mighty works in his name, even as it says,
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
But first it says (concernig iniquities) this
Acts 3:26
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities
So to bless in turning away from each ones inquities and redeem us from all the same and purify us to be zealous of good works
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
And here we see they are prophesying, casting out devils, and doing many wonderful works (even in Jesus Christ name) as Jesus points out all three, and three times (as done specifically so) in his name
Matt 7: 22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And what he would profess to them (and what for reason)
Mat 7: 23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity.
Even as Paul warns to depart from iniquity here
2 Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity
As Paul can be perceived as being keenly aware of what Jesus would say at that day to many
Matt 7: 23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity.
So it shows us in one, to depart from inquity and in the other they are told to depart from him ye that work it. The casting out of devils, and prophesying and wonderful works didnt seem to be the problem (these same things would be shown in them which believed) and it also says, "the gifts and callings" of God (more specifically) are without repentance, but that still wouldnt negate that it is God's will (and by his kindness) that all should come to it just the same.
It's a doctrine of some Churches called Hyper-Grace, Joseph Prince being one of the main founders of the cult.
8 Signs of 'Hypergrace' Churches — Charisma News
8 Signs of 'Hypergrace' Churches — Charisma News
Matthew 10:5-6, "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give."
Proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom they were to say, "the kingdom of heaven is at hand" and then go about doing miracles. Is that the same gospel we preach today?
This is the proclamation of the physical kingdom to Israel. That's why it was not meant for the Gentiles or Samaritans.
Proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom they were to say, "the kingdom of heaven is at hand" and then go about doing miracles. Is that the same gospel we preach today?
This is the proclamation of the physical kingdom to Israel. That's why it was not meant for the Gentiles or Samaritans.
E
I do not get my doctrines, Or determine what people do or not believe from the internet.
I get it from the word of God. or the horses mouth.. People place far to much faith in the internet these days, They fail to realise. If I am righting against another church (I AM BIASED) My words an not be trusted.
I get it from the word of God. or the horses mouth.. People place far to much faith in the internet these days, They fail to realise. If I am righting against another church (I AM BIASED) My words an not be trusted.
Well, there it is folks, one of the often overlooked signs of the last days.
In case some don't know, that Matt.10 Scripture was Jesus' command to His disciples at the START of His Ministry. It's because the one Gospel was to go out to the children of Israel at Jerusalem first. Then at the end, just before He was delivered up to be crucified because of the Jews rejecting The Gospel, He commanded His disciples to go to ALL ... nations with that same Gospel (Mark 16:15-20).
Where His disciples would go preaching The Gospel was history; it went mainly to those in Asia Minor and Europe, first, and then to all other nations. Paul preaching the kingdom message in The Gospel also (2 Tim.2:4; 2 Thess.1:5; 1 Thess.2:12; Col.4; Col.1:13; Eph.5:5; Gal.5:21; 1 Cor.15:50; 1 Cor.15:24; 1 Cor.6:9-10; 1 Cor.4:20; Rom.14:17; Acts 28:30-31).
In case some don't know, that Matt.10 Scripture was Jesus' command to His disciples at the START of His Ministry. It's because the one Gospel was to go out to the children of Israel at Jerusalem first. Then at the end, just before He was delivered up to be crucified because of the Jews rejecting The Gospel, He commanded His disciples to go to ALL ... nations with that same Gospel (Mark 16:15-20).
Where His disciples would go preaching The Gospel was history; it went mainly to those in Asia Minor and Europe, first, and then to all other nations. Paul preaching the kingdom message in The Gospel also (2 Tim.2:4; 2 Thess.1:5; 1 Thess.2:12; Col.4; Col.1:13; Eph.5:5; Gal.5:21; 1 Cor.15:50; 1 Cor.15:24; 1 Cor.6:9-10; 1 Cor.4:20; Rom.14:17; Acts 28:30-31).
They preached the Kingdom, for example it mentions the same here
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Paul here saying he has gone about preaching the Kingdom
Acts 20:5 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
Again here
Acts 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
The Kingdom of God coming upon one is the Spirit of God, for example Jesus said,
Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
The same shown in Paul by the Spirit
Acts 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Acts 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Showing the finger of God (equated with the Kingdom coming upon them) as the Spirit of God as it is put this way
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
And again of the Kingdom Paul says,
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
What was at hand, was being poured out even then.
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Paul here saying he has gone about preaching the Kingdom
Acts 20:5 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
Again here
Acts 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
The Kingdom of God coming upon one is the Spirit of God, for example Jesus said,
Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
The same shown in Paul by the Spirit
Acts 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Acts 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Showing the finger of God (equated with the Kingdom coming upon them) as the Spirit of God as it is put this way
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
And again of the Kingdom Paul says,
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
What was at hand, was being poured out even then.
E
sadly, for the younger generation, this is true, I am having the same conversation in the news forum with some 20 y/o's who think they know all about bush and what he did..
People have to stop relying in the world wide web,, It lies..
sadly, HRFTD and peterjens are not helping them any, they do the same thing, only with men who died centuries ago.
People have to stop relying in the world wide web,, It lies..
sadly, HRFTD and peterjens are not helping them any, they do the same thing, only with men who died centuries ago.
C
I don't question the good intention, but it is dangerous to tell people they don't have to confess sin.
https://onecanhappen.wordpress.com/...oes-jesus-didnt-set-us-free-to-sin-he-set-us/
https://onecanhappen.wordpress.com/...oes-jesus-didnt-set-us-free-to-sin-he-set-us/
E
I have only begun watching Joseph Prince lately and not all the time
But the link to 8 signs of Hypergrace? it doesn't wash DP...not even with a facecloth..these things do not apply to Joseph Prince. Do you have any clue as to what he actually does preach?..He is very much against sin, often uses the OT, I have never heard him speak against the (cough cough) institutional church...which is actually steeped in sin IMO, so that might make me a cult member. frankly the list forgot some very, VERY telling signs of cult leaders.
Whoever made up that list, had something else in mind besides cult and I'll show that by dealing with the items in the list
Cult? there is a cult in this forum...not saying you are a part of it all...but it's here all right
1. The preachers never speak against sin.
A cult leader will OFTEN speak against sin. In fact, he will hold the members to disgrace in public if they 'sin'. Sin, is one major item held over everyone's heads actually. Of course the major sin committed in a cult, is refusing to see the leader as God on earth. Gee...that is not Joseph Prince...but I do know some mainline churches that would fit that description pretty well.
2. The lead pastor never takes a cultural stand for righteousness.
This ain't no cult example neither. hiccup. Seriously? whose idea of righteousness? you can't earn righteousness and most likely, there is already way too much emphasis on OUR righteousness and not on the only One who actually is righteous
3. The Old Testament is almost totally ignored.
That's just bizarre. MOST cult leaders will actually emphasize the OT OVER the NT...such as Holiness Pentecostal..who won't allow women to wear anything but a dress or cut their hair. That's...a cult.
4. People who live immoral lives are allowed to teach and lead ministries.
I bet you could go to many mainstream churches and find exactly that very thing going on. (notice I left Joseph Prince a long time ago and I am just speaking generally) You would be surprised at the double lives some very 'holy' Christians lead. Being in ministry myself (teaching, worship, Sunday School, counselling) I've seen more than the average. It ain't purty.
5. The lead pastor speaks often against the institutional church.
LOL! well for sure that would be a cult then. I mean, folks often go looking for what they NEED in church and NOT getting it, and getting instead a dried out sermon that ends promptly at 12 noon, they go a lookin. Sadly, if they do not know their Bible, they can end up in a cult. People often mix up rules for holiness.
6. The lead pastor preaches against tithing.
That would surprise me. At any rate, tithing is not even a NT requirement.
7. The lead pastor only preaches positive motivational messages.
well, that could be any number of current churches...the emerging church, seeker churches or folks just sick and tired of you sin you go to hell!! Obey the commandments! And folks end up afraid of God and see Him as a guy playing whack a mole and they are the mole.
8. Key members of the church are regularly living sinful lives with impunity.
See #4...same thing applies. Does impunity mean they have not been discovered? Probably so. Well, God knows.
About the worst list I have seen for what constitutes a cult.
E
Following are signs of an actual cult:
[h=4]Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.[/h]
[h=4]Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.[/h]
- Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
- No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
- No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
- Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
- There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
- Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
- There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
- Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
- The group/leader is always right.
- The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
E
Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
SEE IT ALL FOR YOURSELF
- Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
- Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
- Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
- Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
- Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
- Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
- A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
- Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
- Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
- Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.
SEE IT ALL FOR YOURSELF
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