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[Lifted_by_the_word]

That is the anti-christ and those who follow him, not true Christians.
Will you prayfully consider what I have presented to you?

Wasn't it the teachers of the Law and their followers who killed Jesus?What about the Prophets when they are sent to prophesy against Israel?What does God say? that he will send them more and they will kill them also?

 

[Persuaded]

Wasn't it the teachers of the Law and their followers who killed Jesus?What about the Prophets when they are sent to prophesy against Israel?What does God say? that he will send them more and they will kill them also?

We are talking about the local church, not about Israel.
Jesus established His church for this age.
God has stopped dealing with Israel until the time of Jacob's trouble.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

We are talking about the local church, not about Israel.
Jesus established His church for this age.
God has stopped dealing with Israel until the time of Jacob's trouble.

Yes he did through the Holy Spirit not a dimonation church.Israel should concern you if you are grafted into the promise.

 

[Persuaded]

Yes he did through the Holy Spirit not a dimonation church.Israel should concern you if you are grafted into the promise.

Go your way and continue to miss the blessings of being in God's will by serving Him in a local church.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Go your way and continue to miss the blessings of being in God's will by serving Him in a local church.

Revelation 18:4-5
Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
''come out of her my people ,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;


for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.






I don't think i'll be missing out on anything other then plagues.

 

[Depleted]

Those are certainly severe and unique circumstance and truly might not allow you to fellowship regularly (and are reasons worth praying on your behalf for.) For others, one of the best parts of a truly unified and intimate church is that there is patience and support for those with unique circumstances.

For the people who truly know your husband and value him as a person, the occasional outburst shouldn't be an issue because he is just as important as the peace and order of the service. And for your back, I'd like to believe that a church that knows you and values you would be willing to help in some way. If someone in your condition wanted to come to our church, I believe we'd make arrangements to have a more comfortable chair for you.

Again, I believe a godly church that valued it's people would be able to accommodate many unique circumstances.

Imagine the average Sunday morning service. Most folks come just about every week, but some have finally talked a friend/family member/coworker to come to church that weeks.

The hymns are remembered from childhood. The announcements are somewhere between the usual stuff and oh-that-s-different. The opening reading of the scripture. The preacher gets to the second point in his three point sermon, and from the middle of the church, on the right hand side, loud and clear you hear

Not only embarrassing for those who brought someone, the someone, and the people raised in this church, but very embarrassing to hubby. We don't go out of our way to have memories like that.

 

[Depleted]

I know deaf people. (we have a few ladys who will sign the message) people in wheelchairs, People who are in sever pain (I myself have went to church even though I could hardly walk or sit down because my back hurt so bad) But do not care because they want to be with the body so bad, they will do whatever it takes.

As paul said, a momentary light affliction.

Now if people are in a church where no one will help them get there, then they need to find another church..

But all these excuses I keep hearing.. That's all they are , excuses.

Assuming you are someone important in your church -- not ever going to that one. I'm really not into the whole "I'm worse than you and I can do it, so you must, weakling" bit.

 

[hornetguy]

When you are given answers to your questions in the form of scripture, yet you steadfastly refuse to even comment on them, while still saying "show me the scripture"....

Either you really just want affirmation in your decision to go against Jesus' will for his church....

or, you are just the latest iteration of the troll that's been popping up pretty frequently....

Personally, I'm beginning to lean toward the latter of the two....

 

[Depleted]

Have anyone been to a church where they actually built up the people with spiritual teachings?and if so,are you willing to share what you learned?


When the Lord told me to stand in a vision I thought going to church would be a good place to start.But I quickly found out that the pastor taught false doctrine when I told him that I've been praying for satanists that I know who are within the same church.
He then tried to discourage me into not praying for them and that I should be afraid of doing so.


Then he give me the scripture from Acts 19:13-16 as 'proof'
But I knew he was twisting those verses up.
Why should I be afraid and glorify darkness? isn't it the other way around?
That was the last time I went to church,but I still pray for that pastor and his wife.

So, seriously? You expect us to teach you everything we've learned in church just so you can figure out if there are any good churches in the world?

Funnier still. God gave you "a vision" of satanists in a church so you "thought going to church would be a good place to start." But you "quickly found out that the pastor taught false doctrine..." because he didn't immediately embrace some stranger's eccentric vision, and that was all the proof you needed?

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

When you are given answers to your questions in the form of scripture, yet you steadfastly refuse to even comment on them, while still saying "show me the scripture"....

Either you really just want affirmation in your decision to go against Jesus' will for his church....

or, you are just the latest iteration of the troll that's been popping up pretty frequently....

Personally, I'm beginning to lean toward the latter of the two....

I just want to see the scriptures that lead him to believe that a dimonation church is needed.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

So, seriously? You expect us to teach you everything we've learned in church just so you can figure out if there are any good churches in the world?

Funnier still. God gave you "a vision" of satanists in a church so you "thought going to church would be a good place to start." But you "quickly found out that the pastor taught false doctrine..." because he didn't immediately embrace some stranger's eccentric vision, and that was all the proof you needed?

Lol what? God didn't give me a vision of satanists in a church. He gave me a vision telling me to stand.
And I'm no stranger to him ,I know exactly who he is.A satanists.

 

[hornetguy]

Lol what? God didn't give me a vision of satanists in a church. He gave me a vision telling me to stand.
And I'm no stranger to him ,I know exactly who he is.A satanists.

Yep..... door #2.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Yep..... door #2.

I notice alot of the older people who grew up on dimonation church doctrine can't accept the fact that mystery Babylon the great,the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth is the church system in place today,headed by the vatican.


Why is mystery Babylon called the mother of prostitutes?
Why does she say ''I sit as a queen;I'm not a widow and I'll never mourn. ?
Why was John greatly astonished when he seen her?


Does she not have the spirit of Jezebel who promoted Baal worship to the Israelite's? Of course the older ones taught with dimonation doctrine won't even see these connections because they take the bible with so called face value.


I would like to see you answer these three questions hornetguy with your dimonation doctrine.

 

[Billyd]

I notice alot of the older people who grew up on dimonation church doctrine can't accept the fact that mystery Babylon the great,the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth is the church system in place today,headed by the vatican.


Why is mystery Babylon called the mother of prostitutes?
Why does she say ''I sit as a queen;I'm not a widow and I'll never mourn. ?
Why was John greatly astonished when he seen her?


Does she not have the spirit of Jezebel who promoted Baal worship to the Israelite's? Of course the older ones taught with dimonation doctrine won't even see these connections because they take the bible with so called face value.


I would like to see you answer these three questions hornetguy with your dimonation doctrine.

Why? I doubt that you can satisfactorily answer them. In fact if you research the topic on this site, you'll find several different scripturally documented answers. I don't know anyone who would select a church based on the answer to your questions.

 

[Persuaded]

I notice alot of the older people who grew up on dimonation church doctrine can't accept the fact that mystery Babylon the great,the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth is the church system in place today,headed by the vatican.






because they take the bible with so called face value.


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You bet I take the Bible at face value. Only a very foolish man would not.
You seem to think you are so smart that you can determine what it really means.
You ain't as smart as you think you are.

 

[Persuaded]

I notice alot of the older people who grew up on dimonation church doctrine can't accept the fact that mystery Babylon the great,the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth is the church system in place today,headed by the vatican.


Why is mystery Babylon called the mother of prostitutes?
Why does she say ''I sit as a queen;I'm not a widow and I'll never mourn. ?
Why was John greatly astonished when he seen her?


Does she not have the spirit of Jezebel who promoted Baal worship to the Israelite's? Of course the older ones taught with dimonation doctrine won't even see these connections because they take the bible with so called face value.


I would like to see you answer these three questions hornetguy with your dimonation doctrine.

This is the kind of foolishness that comes when people become lone wolfs and think they don't need to study and fellowship with others.
All the demoninations that you condem are the result of lone wolfs that startred their own group based on their warped understanding of the Bible.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

This is the kind of foolishness that comes when people become lone wolfs and think they don't need to study and fellowship with others. All the demoninations that you condem are the result of lone wolfs that startred their own group based on their warped understanding of the Bible.

Ok I'm sorry.I'm not smart and I don't claim to be. The last thing I want to be is a lone wolf. It sucks to go against the grain.and I didn't mean to get heated but I guess it's just part of my personality,which needs to be tamed lol. But warped? not even.I agree that it's good to get together in worship,just not in a dimonation church,which are more like corporation churches. Didn't Jesus over turning the money changers tables in the temple mean anything?the releasing of the sheep and doves? Even though I knew all this from the Lord through the Holy Spirit I still wanted to go to church just so I can worship with brothers and sisters and testify.Which I did, and quickly found out that a dimonation church just itches your ears. I'd rather feel guilty of the truth then have my ear itched.

 

[Willie-T]

LBTW,

Go read Luke 14:26, and then come back here and tell us what you believe we are being told there.

This will quickly demonstrate how terribly confused and possibly wrong a Lone Wolf approach to Bible study can be.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

LBTW,

Go read Luke 14:26, and then come back here and tell us what you believe we are being told there.

This will quickly demonstrate how terribly confused and possibly wrong a Lone Wolf approach to Bible study can be.

Am I really alone though?
The Holy Spirit helps me with scripture.It's keeping these treasures to myself that would be the problem.
Maybe and most likely some people are lone wolves because they didn't fit in with the majority and gotten ridiculed or kicked out.Or maybe they just got sick of stumbling around. idk.

 

[Bookends]

Heb. 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one onother: and so much more, as ye see the day approaching.


Eph.3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughtout all ages, world without end. Amen.


I have been here a short time and have read very few post. But it seems that some are not members of nor even attend a local church.

I believe that the two verses I quoted teach us that we should not only attend a local church, but should be a member. ie Be a part of it's ministry, support with our money, learn from others, teach others, fellowship with other.

This seems to be God's plan for us to glorify Him.

How does one justify not doing what these verses clealy teach?

I belong to the global Church by Faith in Christ as my savior.

I attend a local church, but I'm a "sign here, pay your dues" member. I think it unbiblical for denominations to require local churches to pay membership fees.

Also, the bible does not clearly state how often we are to attend a "congregational meeting" ; that said, I go every week, but I don't hold it against anyone who doesn't. I often feel church really doesn't start until the parking lot conversing beings after the main services.

Don't forget that Jesus said when two or more gather in my name, there I will also be.