once saved always saved saved is a doctrine of the devil

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blue_ladybug said:
Once a person is saved, God does NOT "cut them off". That would require us to get saved all over again, and Jesus only saves us once. Not a million times. Otherwise his death at the cross would be a daily occurrence. Once you are saved, you're saved for life. :) Ain't no sin gonna change that.
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This then is where you and the other OSASers go off the tracks. Once GOD has cut a rebellious person off, there is no going back. It's over.

For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned. Hebrews 6:4-8​
 
blue_ladybug said:
Once a person is saved, God does NOT "cut them off". That would require us to get saved all over again, and Jesus only saves us once. Not a million times. Otherwise his death at the cross would be a daily occurrence. Once you are saved, you're saved for life. :) Ain't no sin gonna change that.
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true he never cuts us off but if we choose to cut ourselves from him he lets us assuming that one can lose their salvation. Actually no that isn't at all the same thing. If grace and salvation are both a free gift to us then he won't ever take that away but if we were to give the gift back to him and walk away that is entirely different. It's not losing salvation it's giving it away
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
This then is where you and the other OSASers go off the tracks. Once GOD has cut a rebellious person off, there is no going back. It's over.
For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned. Hebrews 6:4-8

Ok, now see, that's where the misunderstanding was. I am talking about the REPENTANT saved people. :) Although even the rebellious ones are given ample chances to repent, but won't because of their pride. I understand why God would cut THEM off. But he does not cut off the repentant ones. :)
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blue_ladybug said:
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
This then is where you and the other OSASers go off the tracks. Once GOD has cut a rebellious person off, there is no going back. It's over.
For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned. Hebrews 6:4-8

Ok, now see, that's where the misunderstanding was. I am talking about the REPENTANT saved people. :) Although even the rebellious ones are given ample chances to repent, but won't because of their pride. I understand why God would cut THEM off. But he does not cut off the repentant ones. :)
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Hi, sorry for intruding, have you changed your position now?
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Many teach ongoing sin cannot effect your eternal security, this is totally false doctrine as Jesus shows here in John 8:33-36 "They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
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You fail to point out that the servants of sin were the scribes and Pharisees, and it is they who do not 'abide for ever' (and are not saved). Those whom the Son makes free are free indeed. As Jesus said elsewhere He would lose none of them (John 6.39). Sounds like unfailing eternal security to me.

Also many preach you cannot be set free from the bondage and power of sin in this life, this is also a lie as Jesus also explained above. :)
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If you tell me you love God with heart, soul, mind and strength all the time I don't believe you. It's you whose lying. So you are permanently gripped by the power of sin:)
 
Nikki84 said:
blue_ladybug said:
Hi, sorry for intruding, have you changed your position now?
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She doesn't have to change her position right now. I know blue even if she is in the wrong in this subject which I cannot say if she is or not God has a way of always revealing the truth to her in some way or form. so trust me regardless if she has it right or not it won't matter in the end
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Blain said:
Nikki84 said:
She doesn't have to change her position right now. I know blue even if she is in the wrong in this subject which I cannot say if she is or not God has a way of always revealing the truth to her in some way or form. so trust me regardless if she has it right or not it won't matter in the end
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It seems she might realize that she is not an OSASer. I also believe its a false doctrine. As far as a doctrine from the devil, I don't think so
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. Hebrews 6:4-8​
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blue_ladybug said:
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
This then is where you and the other OSASers go off the tracks. Once GOD has cut a rebellious person off, there is no going back. It's over.
For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned. Hebrews 6:4-8

Ok, now see, that's where the misunderstanding was. I am talking about the REPENTANT saved people. :) Although even the rebellious ones are given ample chances to repent, but won't because of their pride. I understand why God would cut THEM off. But he does not cut off the repentant ones. :)
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​Nikki84, the verses highlighted above refer to the rebellious ones who REFUSE to repent. I'm talking about the one who DO repent. God does NOT cut off the repentant ones.
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
This then is where you and the other OSASers go off the tracks. Once GOD has cut a rebellious person off, there is no going back. It's over.
For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned. Hebrews 6:4-8​
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there are two 'lands' in your example one of which brings forth herbs and is blessed by God, the other which bears thorns and thistles. Only the latter are cursed for bearing thorns and thistles. Sounds like eternal security for the one which bears fruit :)

This demonstrates that the whole passage is describing non-Christians

Besides to suggest it would be impossible for them to repent means they have committed the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I can't believe your words 'Once GOD has cut a rebellious person off, there is no going back.' Do you really believe that?
 
Nikki84 said:
Blain said:
It seems she might realize that she is not an OSASer.I also believe its a false doctrine. As far as a doctrine from the devil, I don't think so
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Where do you get that idea from? :confused: I absolutely believe in once saved, ALWAYS saved. Jesus doesn't die on the cross every time we need to saved, does he? Didn't think so. :) He died only ONCE on the cross, for all our past, present and future sins. No getting saved multiple times over, needed. :) If you are a repentant, saved person, that's it. No need for getting saved time and again.
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Armini3 said:
romans ch11 vs 11-24 once saved always saved clearly disproved here...
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Just truly strange, IMO, that a a person joins this forum and resurrects an OLD OLD thread and declares that Romans 11 proves the op

and then makes a blog entry about it also as if that makes it a fact

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Blain said:
true he never cuts us off but if we choose to cut ourselves from him he lets us assuming that one can lose their salvation. Actually no that isn't at all the same thing. If grace and salvation are both a free gift to us then he won't ever take that away but if we were to give the gift back to him and walk away that is entirely different. It's not losing salvation it's giving it away
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I agree. It's absolutely a person's choice.
 
valiant said:
You fail to point out that the servants of sin were the scribes and Pharisees, and it is they who do not 'abide for ever' (and are not saved).

If you tell me you love God with heart, soul, mind and strength all the time I don't believe you. It's you whose lying. So you are permanently gripped by the power of sin:)
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Whosoever commits sins is the servant of sin, "whosoever" there is not limited to the scribes and Pharisees only, that is just wishful thinking on your part. And if you don't believe the words of Jesus I posted, then why should you believe me? :)
 
blue_ladybug said:
Nikki84 said:
Where do you get that idea from? :confused: I absolutely believe in once saved, ALWAYS saved. Jesus doesn't die on the cross every time we need to saved, does he? Didn't think so. :) He died only ONCE on the cross, for all our past, present and future sins. No getting saved multiple times over, needed. :) If you are a repentant, saved person, that's it. No need for getting saved time and again.
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Why does it say posted by Blain......
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