Paster Women?

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​ Huh me ? Nope! I said I had female pastors in my family. Wow this thread has gone haywire!!

No, you. I remember it right.

1 Cor.14- “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church”

If we take this literally, it would mean that women are not allowed to sing in church nor respond when the pastor asks for comments or questions from the audience. Moreover, it would contradict what Paul said in chapter 11, where he said that women could pray and prophesy in church if they had the appropriate attire.Common sense, church custom, and good principles of biblical interpretation all say that we should not take these verses literally.
Paul is not making a blanket prohibition that says that women can never speak in church. Rather, he was addressing his comments to a certain situation, and his comments are limited in some way. The question is, What are the limits of Paul’s prohibition?

In 1 Corinthians 11, Paul begins to instruct the Corinthian church about their somewhat disorganized worship services. As we studied in our previous paper, he says that women should wear a head covering when they pray and prophesy; then he corrects the Corinthians on the way they had been observing the Lord’s Supper. In chapter 12, he addresses the proper use of spiritual gifts in the worship service. He describes a number of gifts, and insists that all gifts are important to the Body of Christ; the variety of gifts calls for mutual respect and honor, not vanity or shame.

In chapter 13, he describes love as the best way, and in chapter 14 he makes an extended contrast between the gift of tongues and the gift of prophesying. Apparently some people in Corinth were extolling the gift of tongues as a mark of superior spirituality. Paul did not tell them to stop speaking in tongues, but he did put some restrictions on how tongues should be used in the worship service.
Paul is apparently trying to give some organization to what had been a rather chaotic worship meeting—several people speaking at once, speaking words that no one could understand.


Paul notes that “the spirits of the prophets are subject to the control of the prophets” (1 Cor. 14:32). That is, the speakers are able to stop; they cannot use “God made me do it” as an excuse for adding to the commotion...Paul then tells the women to be quiet, and to ask their questions at home.

1) The first thing we notice is that women are not the only people Paul tells to be “silent.” He uses the same word in verses 28 and 30 to tell tongue-speakers and prophets to be silent when others speak. In both of those verses, he is calling for a temporary silence, not a complete and permanent prohibition.

2) Paul says that instead of speaking, women should be in submission. This implies that the Corinthian women were speaking in an insubordinate way. The fact that Paul said in chapter 11 that women could pray and prophesy, and in chapter 14 that two or three people could prophesy in a worship service, shows that women are allowed to have a slot in the speaking schedule. It is not insubordinate for them to speak prophecies; it is therefore likely that Paul is prohibiting some less-formal speaking, such as chatter or comments from the audience.

3)Paul addresses the problem by saying, “If they want to inquire about something…” This implies that the problem in Corinth concerning the asking of questions with a desire to learn something. Blomberg suggests, “Perhaps the largely uneducated women of that day were interrupting proceedings with irrelevant questions that would be better dealt with in their homes.”Belleville says, “Their fault was not in the asking per se but in the inappropriate setting for their questions.”

4) Paul says that it is “disgraceful” for women to talk in church. This word appeals to the Corinthians’ own sense of social propriety. He is saying that church custom (v. 33b), the law (v. 34), and social expectations (v. 35) all prohibit women from talking in church. The questions themselves are not wrong, for they can be asked at home, but it is disorderly to ask them in the worship service.

Paul has already indicated that women can pray and prophesy in church (chapter 11), and a worship service includes two or three people prophesying in turn (14:29-32). This means that it is permissible for women to have formal speaking roles in the church. Paul was apparently forbidding some other type of speech. Just as he did not allow tongue-speakers or prophets to speak out of turn, he did not want women to speak out of turn, saying things in such a way that they were breaking social customs about what is appropriate.

1) We know very little about how first-century churches functioned, except for what the New Testament tells us—and the picture is one of variety. Some churches were led by apostles and elders; others by prophets and teachers; some by overseers or elders or deacons. Although we know the names of a number of influential men and women, we can associate those names with specific titles in only a few cases. We know even less about how a typical worship service was conducted; 1 Cor. 14 is the primary evidence.

2)We have surveyed the Old Testament, and find no prohibition on women speaking in public.Scripture provides examples of women who had leadership roles in civil government, in publicly praising God, and in giving authoritative answers about spiritual matters to male civil leaders...Scripture does not require all women to submit to all men. The problem in Corinth probably involved either a) wives speaking against or dishonoring their husbands,or b) more generally, women acting disorderly and for that reason considered “not in submission.” The “law” that Paul mentions may be a civil law, or a New Testament rule.

It is reasonable to suggest that Paul is prohibiting the same kind of speech that he prohibits for tongues-speakers and prophets: out-of-turn speaking. While someone has the podium, the others should be quiet, not making loud comments, not calling out questions (no matter how well intentioned, and not having their own conversations, for any of those would be disgraceful in the eyes of the public, contrary to what God wants, and contrary to the way that other congregations functioned.


Although we cannot answer all questions about the specific situation Paul was addressing in Corinth, we do conclude that he was addressing a specific situation rather than making a general prohibition on women speaking in church. His intent was to prohibit disruptive and disrespectful questions and comments that were part of the chaotic Corinthian meetings—and in Corinth, these particular practices were coming from the women. Just as he told the disorderly tongues-speakers and prophets to control themselves because God is not a God of disorder, he also told the women to control themselves because the law teaches self-control. If they want to learn something, they can ask questions somewhere else.

[1] Paul uses the same Greek word that is translated “silent” in v. 34. James Hurley notes that “there is no intention that the first [person] should speak no more in the worship service. He or she may certainly sing hymns, pray, etc…. Paul left it to his readers to grasp the context”

[2] The NIV translation obscures the fact that Paul has used the same Greek word for silence. And again, Paul did not intend to prohibit all subsequent speaking by the person—he called for silence only for the immediate situation.

We can see in chapter 11 that Corinthian women had some behavioral problems that men did not have, and we have to consider the possibility that this might be true in chapter 14, too. We do not think that Paul unfairly singled women out; we therefore conclude that women were the ones who happened to be causing a problem in Corinth by talking and asking questions.

https://www.gci.org/church/ministry/women9


Paul was talking about disorder in the church service. The above explanation seems to be the most plausible taking into consideration the verses and chapter before hand.

I agree with you on the shut-up-in-church thingy. In general, I disagree that those verses have anything to do with if women should be pastors, so we can't disagree on women pastoring through those verses.

We'll have to disagree with other verses though. And, honest. As stated above, I am against women being pastors. I am nor against women pastors, so our disagreement isn't any big deal to me. I hope it's not a big deal to you either. We do agree on acting right/good manners in church.

I can't see either one of us being interested in going to the other's church, but I do see us being part of God's Church together.

This thread has gone haywire. But I think the rational ones, (and much to the chagrine of a few guys on here, that includes the ladies and women), understand it's no more important than pants v. dresses debate among the women. I won't be wearing a dress any time soon either, but it doesn't mean I hold anything against women who do. (Men, maybe. Well, maybe. I like kilts. I think they're snazzy, even though I'd never wear one. But not women.)

See? I've been listening. Not quite as emotional as guys think I am.

 

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What???????

Seriously? You think women are more emotional than guys? (Rhetorical. You might get hung if you answer. lol)

Look at this whole thread and tell me emotions didn't flow from both genders. And then tell me women didn't respond as rationally, (and sometimes even more so, but I'm not blaming all guys for the actions of a few), as some of the men. Our emotional reactions aren't more then mens, they're merely different then men.

Picture a Giants v. Eagles game with nothing but male spectators. Now picture the same game with nothing but female spectators. I'm not saying the women wouldn't be psyched, but the sound levels would be different (even if we have the same vocal skills.) And there would be a little less need for cops.

We're not more emotional. We're differently emotional. And I would give anything for that skill guys have to NOT cry when angry.

(Picture a Giants v. Eagles game where crying expressed anger.

)

 

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well you have to mean it when you say.."Yes dear".....he would know that part I'm sure.....or maybe in your case..a quick kiss and then just do what needs to be done...

He has this thing even after all these years, and I wish one or the other of us could change enough to avoid it.

I tell him my plans for the day. I try to organize it around physical limitations. Like when we're out in the garden, I'll pick one project that requires strength. (Repotting a plant out of a rather large pot.) That's my big project, so to warm up, I might weed or sow seeds while I'm thinking the easiest way to repot. But I told him my plans, and when I turn around from doing another project, he's already got the plant out of the pot and is digging in our compost for the soil for the new pot.

MY plans. His plan always seems to be making sure I avoid heavy labor. I think he thinks me telling him my plans is me giving him today's Honey-Do-List.

If I was really doing that, I'd mention dusting and vacuuming.

 

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And calling a women in the body of Christ a "skank" is not walking in the flesh?...and somehow you think that is pleasing to God?

1 Peter 2:1-3 (NASB)

[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

[SUP]3 [/SUP] if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.

The child was just here to take his bat and ball home. He left the sandlot game 30 pages ago, and never noticed we had our own sports equipment so didn't need his. He didn't even notice we were playing football, not baseball.

 

[Miri]

MY plans. His plan always seems to be making sure I avoid heavy labor. I think he thinks me telling him my plans is me giving him today's Honey-Do-List.

If I was really doing that, I'd mention dusting and vacuuming.

Honey do list, that's so funny. Maybe you could keep the dusting and vacuuming
in reserve for when the weather is bad.

Like hey hon, could you lift that very very heavy vac out of the cupboard for me, its
so very heavy.

 

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A skank is simply a woman that looks slutty. Y'know, like a free whore.
A cussword isn't necessarily the word itself, but its intent. Skank nor whore are cusswords in any book.
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Reminder:

Without going back and reading a bunch of useless junk, I'm going to say one last thing before I leave this post, hopefully for good.

I don't read useless junk either, so didn't get beyond what I just quoted.

 

[Chuckt]

It seems like you're responding to someone else's post and quoted mine by accident.

I was saying that women's appearance has power because women have power, even if they underestimate it sometimes. So men can't change the way they perceive women -by themselves-, both men and women have to work together to achieve that. Blaming women or blaming men doesn't change it.

But for what you said, God reserves the right to make exceptions. God raised up women leaders even in the OT. God can do it again and we are to submit to whatever God does. That does not mean God is 'throwing out' the role God designed in men or agreeing with the world's dissonance toward it.

The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13–14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.

http://www.gotquestions.org/women-pastors.html

 

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Hi i know what you are saying, unfortunately it doesn't work in them these hills.Lol

I don't think the whole accountability / covering of women etc works in UK society
or would work. If a single woman was to approach a married man then it would
be hand bags at dawn with the wife.
If a single woman approached a single man with that intent he would probably run a
mile and/or the gossips would start in the church!

There are various women's ministries in the church, some more successful than the
men's.

I'm not sure if it's a cultural thing but the whole thing of women being
covered by a man in the UK, is non existent and I think as people get older
especially, both men and women are expected to just get on with it - that stiff
upper lip thingy.

Dont worry though I have Jesus.

Then you have no support system? (Not condemnation. My support system is hubby and Dad. Dad can no longer support, so just hubby, leaving me just back to that moment where hubby can support limitedly again.)

Something is wrong when we're in the body but hanging in the wind support wise. This is the first time in decades I'm swinging without a net below. Yes, there is God, but if we fall (literally), he doesn't pick us up.

My biggest fear here is my failing health. If I have a heart attack, (fall down the steps; the car breaks down in the middle of a highway, causes an accident, but no one to claim my body, etc.), hubby won't figure out something is wrong for up to 24 hours. Even if he figures it out, how long does it take for him to convince someone to check on me? Can he even convince someone to do that, since I'm his only support system too?

A few weeks ago, I asked the church we'd belong to, if we could go to church, to go visit hubby just so he has someone of equal standing to talk to. (A priest chaplain came in the other day, and as comfort, he "taught" us how we can earn heaven by doing up Easter just right -- say what? So equal standing is good.) I was told they'd try. Apparently, they only help members of that church, so they never came.

Something is seriously wrong with The Church if no one notices people like us. Or, worse yet, they do notice but don't think it's their problem. And worse for you, because they'd notice the scandal but don't notice you could use some help.

But, hey! Just as long as everyone can talk about how women should shut up and not be pastor, all is right with the church, right?

(Sorry. I worry. I just can't do anything but pray and worry... and hope we don't get hurt seriously.)

 

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Honey do list, that's so funny. Maybe you could keep the dusting and vacuuming
in reserve for when the weather is bad.

Like hey hon, could you lift that very very heavy vac out of the cupboard for me, its
so very heavy.

Actually, he does that one too. When I tell him my plans for the day, if lifting the vacuum cleaner is the most labor intensive thing on my list, I come up with a load of laundry to fold to the sounds of a vacuum cleaner running. He's got consistent. If I could just shut up on my plans for the day. lol

 

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The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13–14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.

http://www.gotquestions.org/women-pastors.html

The second time I disagree with GotQuestions. As the woman schooling some men, got to say, there are times women should teach men! Do you know why women become pastors? Because men weren't willing to do the job. Same reason we teach sometimes.

By nature, women are assertive. (Being Mom is as assertive as you can get.) By nature, men are passive. (Doing what the boss says to keep your job, is as passive as it gets.) God gave men the "love like Christ loves the church" command to draw them out of their comfort zone, just like he gave women the submissive to draw us out of our comfort zone.

But someone has to do the work, and if men aren't stepping up, (and read this thread -- men AREN'T stepping up in more than one way), then someone has to do it.

The women aren't failing here. The men are. Whether we have kids or not, women are designed for assertive, therefore we assert.

Don't prove worthy of submission by words. Prove it by actions! Otherwise, we only have God to be submissive to.

(I seriously think some men -- not necessarily you, but I'm unsure of you right now -- think women are incapable. We're very capable. We choose to take our rightful position, if given that option. Sometimes we're not give that option, so nothing to take.)

 

[Miri]

Then you have no support system? (Not condemnation. My support system is hubby and Dad. Dad can no longer support, so just hubby, leaving me just back to that moment where hubby can support limitedly again.)

Something is wrong when we're in the body but hanging in the wind support wise. This is the first time in decades I'm swinging without a net below. Yes, there is God, but if we fall (literally), he doesn't pick us up.

My biggest fear here is my failing health. If I have a heart attack, (fall down the steps; the car breaks down in the middle of a highway, causes an accident, but no one to claim my body, etc.), hubby won't figure out something is wrong for up to 24 hours. Even if he figures it out, how long does it take for him to convince someone to check on me? Can he even convince someone to do that, since I'm his only support system too?

A few weeks ago, I asked the church we'd belong to, if we could go to church, to go visit hubby just so he has someone of equal standing to talk to. (A priest chaplain came in the other day, and as comfort, he "taught" us how we can earn heaven by doing up Easter just right -- say what? So equal standing is good.) I was told they'd try. Apparently, they only help members of that church, so they never came.

Something is seriously wrong with The Church if no one notices people like us. Or, worse yet, they do notice but don't think it's their problem. And worse for you, because they'd notice the scandal but don't notice you could use some help.

But, hey! Just as long as everyone can talk about how women should shut up and not be pastor, all is right with the church, right?

(Sorry. I worry. I just can't do anything but pray and worry... and hope we don't get hurt seriously.)

There is support via the women's ministries, I meant it's not really the done thing to
go to a man and ask them to cover you etc. If anyone is in need they can also ask
the church, who will make discreet enquirers with others in the church.

Also we have a weekly news letter and often there are discreet unnamed items where people
need help. Like person needs a place to rent can anyone help, person needs help with some
repairs etc.

There are also over 300 small groups which people are actively encouraged to get involved in.

Problem is that as a single woman it's just easier to go to the women's groups. I have
tried the other mixed groups but they are mostly married couples, or people who are
paired off and talking about marriage etc. The topic of conversation often reverts to
child care, couples issues, couples making plans for their wedding, talking about
the best holidays for couples etc.

I did go to a mixed bible study group held in someone's home, the man took it.
I was the only single person there and was often asked to share - i was in the
worship team at the time and I think they thought they had bagged an important
person in the church. Lol

Anyway the man's wife didn't seem to like me being asked to share all the time.
Aw well.

What with all that has happened over past couple of years I haven't been able to
get to church as often as I use to. But still do manage it a few times a month.
Am hoping if things settle down that it will increase.

 

[blue_ladybug]

My opinion is that if women can serve God just as well as men can, then women CAN and SHOULD be pastors. There are female missionaries, so there should be female pastors as well. Men just don't like having their authority usurped by women, nor do they like being compared to their female pastor counterpart. Women can lead people to God just as well, if not better than, men can.

 

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There is support via the women's ministries, I meant it's not really the done thing to
go to a man and ask them to cover you etc. If anyone is in need they can also ask
the church, who will make discreet enquirers with others in the church.

Also we have a weekly news letter and often there are discreet unnamed items where people
need help. Like person needs a place to rent can anyone help, person needs help with some
repairs etc.

There are also over 300 small groups which people are actively encouraged to get involved in.

Problem is that as a single woman it's just easier to go to the women's groups. I have
tried the other mixed groups but they are mostly married couples, or people who are
paired off and talking about marriage etc. The topic of conversation often reverts to
child care, couples issues, couples making plans for their wedding, talking about
the best holidays for couples etc.

I did go to a mixed bible study group held in someone's home, the man took it.
I was the only single person there and was often asked to share - i was in the
worship team at the time and I think they thought they had bagged an important
person in the church. Lol

Anyway the man's wife didn't seem to like me being asked to share all the time.
Aw well.

What with all that has happened over past couple of years I haven't been able to
get to church as often as I use to. But still do manage it a few times a month.
Am hoping if things settle down that it will increase.

See now? I tend to avoid women's groups, because so many are into talking about children or fashion. Not interested in either.

But that whole thing of avoiding men either because it will start gossip or because they are looking for romance bothers me too.

Most of my friends throughout my life have been guys. They got over thinking I'm romance material early on. Some, in the church, did think we were couples on occasion. (My matron-of-honor was trying to fix me up with her brother in law all the way up to the moment I told her I was engaged. Rather floored her, since I just started dating this other guy the week before. And, yes, he is my husband. He was also best friends with her BIL at the time. The three of us were best friends, so she assumed I'd take it to where her BIL already knew it was never going to go. lol) That was their problem. My friends knew where I stood on the romance issue within the first 1-2 months of friendship. (Future-hubby was the only friend that didn't get my "I'm not after a date" speech. That was intentional, since I was after a date from him and it took him two months to get the courage, specifically because our other friend told him I gave that speech to him. lol)

 

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My opinion is that if women can serve God just as well as men can, then women CAN and SHOULD be pastors. There are female missionaries, so there should be female pastors as well. Men just don't like having their authority usurped by women, nor do they like being compared to their female pastor counterpart. Women can lead people to God just as well, if not better than, men can.

You know? With that same argument you can go with women can be mass murderers too. We can be anything. The real question is should we.

And men aren't supposed to have their authority usurped by women. It's when they take on no authority we have problems... because. Yeah. We can!

 

[Chuckt]

My opinion is that if women can serve God just as well as men can, then women CAN and SHOULD be pastors. There are female missionaries, so there should be female pastors as well. Men just don't like having their authority usurped by women, nor do they like being compared to their female pastor counterpart. Women can lead people to God just as well, if not better than, men can.

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Considered is a military word. Satan scrutinizes us and when the man was away, he tempted the woman. Satan didn't tempt the man. He found a weakness in woman and because they were the prototypes, we sin in Adam because he was the federal head. But if we have Eve running the church again, Satan will exploit that weakness again and tempt the church because he scrutinizes everyone and women today can't do better than the prototype "Eve". When we think that we know better than God is when everyone will experience problems and you can rationalize it but are we obeying God if we don't do what He says? All scripture is inspired by God and when we look to the Bible as a history book, we aren't obeying. The Bible is God's words to us.



2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture (writings) is given by inspiration (breathed) of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. for instruction in righteousness:

When we do what we want to do, we are on the throne of God and we're in charge and that is the sin that caused spiritual death. Man wanted to become God so we have to repent of wanting to be God by having our lives on the throne and follow Him in His words which is the Bible.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Considered is a military word. Satan scrutinizes us and when the man was away, he tempted the woman. Satan didn't tempt the man. He found a weakness in woman and because they were the prototypes, we sin in Adam because he was the federal head. But if we have Eve running the church again, Satan will exploit that weakness again and tempt the church because he scrutinizes everyone and women today can't do better than the prototype "Eve". When we think that we know better than God is when everyone will experience problems and you can rationalize it but are we obeying God if we don't do what He says? All scripture is inspired by God and when we look to the Bible as a history book, we aren't obeying. The Bible is God's words to us.



2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture (writings) is given by inspiration (breathed) of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. for instruction in righteousness:

When we do what we want to do, we are on the throne of God and we're in charge and that is the sin that caused spiritual death. Man wanted to become God so we have to repent of wanting to be God by having our lives on the throne and follow Him in His words which is the Bible.

Obviously man is weak also, since Adam became weak and ate the fruit Eve offered him. SOOO maybe NOBODY should become a pastor.. ??? Believe me, many women are MUCH stronger than men. Emotionally, spiritually, mentally AND physically..

 

[Chuckt]

Obviously man is weak also, since Adam became weak and ate the fruit Eve offered him. SOOO maybe NOBODY should become a pastor.. ??? Believe me, many women are MUCH stronger than men. Emotionally, spiritually, mentally AND physically..

Is that obeying what God said?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Is that obeying what God said?

​Well, if a man is too weak spiritually to pick up the slack and be a pastor, then the woman ought to step up and take his place instead. SOMEBODY needs to be a pastor. If man can't do it, then pray tell me, who will??

 

[Utah]

Seriously? You think women are more emotional than guys? (Rhetorical. You might get hung if you answer. lol)

Look at this whole thread and tell me emotions didn't flow from both genders. And then tell me women didn't respond as rationally, (and sometimes even more so, but I'm not blaming all guys for the actions of a few), as some of the men. Our emotional reactions aren't more then mens, they're merely different then men.

Picture a Giants v. Eagles game with nothing but male spectators. Now picture the same game with nothing but female spectators. I'm not saying the women wouldn't be psyched, but the sound levels would be different (even if we have the same vocal skills.) And there would be a little less need for cops.

We're not more emotional. We're differently emotional. And I would give anything for that skill guys have to NOT cry when angry.

(Picture a Giants v. Eagles game where crying expressed anger.

)

No doubt we're all emotional beings, but I would say woman more so than men in many circumstances in life, especially when being slandered or ridiculed by the opposite sex. If I'm wrong on this then tell me; I'm here to learn. Besides, no one can see my temper tantrums through the computer screen.

 

[Utah]

My opinion is that if women can serve God just as well as men can, then women CAN and SHOULD be pastors. There are female missionaries, so there should be female pastors as well. Men just don't like having their authority usurped by women, nor do they like being compared to their female pastor counterpart. Women can lead people to God just as well, if not better than, men can.

Women have been serving in the armed forces for decades in this country, and our military Rocks!

That's all anyone needs to know about women serving in leadership roles.

(I better get some reps for that comment)