Obedience & righteousness - extreme grace version

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Yes it is wisdom because wisdom teaches that those who worship GOD, but don't do the will of GOD will be lost.

​“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21​
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Those who worship GOD without doing his will are violating the 3rd commandment.

You shall not take the name of [the] LORD your God in vain. For no [way] shall [the] LORD cleanse the [one] taking his name in vain. Exodus 20:7

So [Jesus] said to them, “Isaiah prophesied correctly about you hypocrites, as it is written, ​‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far away from me. And they worship me in vain, teaching [as] doctrines the commandments of men.’ Mark 7:6-7​
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Those who worship GOD without doing his will
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Do you make this stuff up? No Seriously, I am asking because I can'ty see an honest person saying stuf like this which is so impossible.


A person who is not doing Gods will, is not worshiping God! Period.. If you want to make stuff up, at least ake things up with are plausible.. otherwise, You just destroy your argument before it even got started.

 
gb9 said:
you mean like your version of the Gospel, where you are kind of sort of maybe saved, but you might not be, but if you do right, then possibly, but if you don't do right long enough............... this is your version of the Gospel, just as messed up as theirs ways.
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No. I mean the gospel that says you can be saved by not doing the will of GOD.
 
TheAristocat said:
I guess I'm not privy on the situation of the group. But the way I understand the Christian faith is that anything that upholds the unadulterated Gospel is the same faith we've had for 2000 years. Everything else, while either true or false, does not make or break someone's Christianity. That goes for laws, regulations, theology, eschatology, etc. As long as we both share the same Gospel we need to learn to get along.
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That's just it, do we all share and uphold the same Gospel?
 
JaumeJ said:
It is true that a very large segment of the grace only people believe and have stated those who believe in being children of obedience, that is, who believe they should obey God in all Three Persons, are legalists and under the law.

No protests please, for if this were not the case, there would be no controversy.

Either those in Christ obey Him or they are not in Christ........simple.

This is not a challenge for a response, for any response would be from the grace only extremists..........thank you.
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Then consider me a grace extremist, because I'm responding. There is controversy specifically because those such as yourself continue to make such deliberately outlandish and unsubstantiated claims about others. If you're looking for the reason for the controversy, look no further than yourself.
 
JaumeJ said:
Something all should always consider and keep foremost in mind when reading the Epistles, and that is that the authors are unanimous that the only Gospel is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, therefore a adjure all in good conscience to always do as Jesus Christ teaches.

Yes, He came first to His original flock, the Hebrews, but He joined the other flock, Gentiles who believe Him, to be one with the Hebrews making us God's chosen with the Hebrews.

Because He came to save the Hebrews first, His Gospel as taught to them most certainly applies to those joined to them. You may prefer the word, Jews, and that is fine as long as you know they are but one of the twelve tribes of the Hebrews.

What Jesus taught them is not a lie, but applies to all who have been joined to them.........remember always, there is only one Gospel, that of Jesus Christ.....or do you prefer Yeshua?
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Is this one Gospel you speak of Paul's Gospel that saves??


Romans 2:16 - "This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares."

Romans 16:25 - "Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past"

2 Timothy 2:8 - "Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel"
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
OK, I want to hear you guys agree with the words of Jesus that only those who do the will of GOD will be saved.

Do you agree with this?
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That's the mystery, isn't it?

Look at the prayer of the publican and the prayer of the Pharisee. Luke 18:10-14

Which one is doing Gods Will?

Is there ever a time when we can stop praying like the sinner and begin to pray like the Pharisee, even after being saved?
 
PeterJens said:
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me."
John 14:6
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Didn't you just say that truth is not absolute a few posts earlier? I'm trying to search for it right now but this thread seems like an eternity.

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By the way, I'm also curious if HeRoseFromTheDead and JaumeJ agree with Peterjens that truth is not absolute. Thanks. Peace.
 
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Grandpa said:
That's the mystery, isn't it?

Look at the prayer of the publican and the prayer of the Pharisee. Luke 18:10-14

Which one is doing Gods Will?

Is there ever a time when we can stop praying like the sinner and begin to pray like the Pharisee, even after being saved?
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Excellent point. No. That IMO is one of the hard works we have to do because it never stops, and we so want to feel secure. But this is what this part of the lord's prayer addresses because it is an acknowledgement on our part that we can become overly confident in what we think we know and have become.

And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation.” Luke 11:4​
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
OK, I want to hear you guys agree with the words of Jesus that only those who do the will of GOD will be saved.

Do you agree with this?
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Yep. And here it is:

"Therefore they said to him, 'What shall we do so that we may work the works of God?' Jesus answered, 'The work of God is this: to believe in the one He has sent.'" (John 6:29)

That's it. That's all.
 
blessedjohn80 said:
Didn't you just say that truth is not absolute a few posts earlier? I'm trying to search for it right now but this thread seems like an eternity.

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By the way, I'm also curious if HeRoseFromTheDead and JaumeJ agree with Peterjens that truth is not absolute. Thanks. Peace.
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That puzzled me, too, but I didn't ask for clarification because Peter was being so unrelentingly attacked. So thank you for bringing this up. No, I do not think truth is relative.
 
PeterJens said:
Truth is not absolute. Truth always has a context, assumptions, position. I tried once to think does morality actually exist away from God. As God is love itself, the essence of purity and the rules by which everything functions and references, outside the Lord nothing works. So the closer you get to God the more obvious things become, because He is the source and reference point.

It is why sin makes sense when you are not in communion with God, because everything centers around your personal desires and needs which are king and the driving force. The consequences also do not matter because death is inevitable and nothing really matters as you have no control or understanding over where it leads.

I do not expect people to agree with me, but the reason why we dwell in sin is because we lack communion with the Lord.
It is not the rational assent of faith that gives us the power, but the dynamic relationship with the heart of the Lord as expressed through the cross.
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Found it. :D I think someone has already discussed this but Truth is absolute. Since you say that God is the source and reference point then automatically God is the absolute truth because He is the source. Peace.
 
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Grandpa said:
That's the mystery, isn't it?

Look at the prayer of the publican and the prayer of the Pharisee. Luke 18:10-14

Which one is doing Gods Will?

Is there ever a time when we can stop praying like the sinner and begin to pray like the Pharisee, even after being saved?
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I think Jesus is quite clear. If we hear someone sound like the pharisee, RUN, RUN FAR FAR AWAY.. from that gospel
 
blessedjohn80 said:
Didn't you just say that truth is not absolute a few posts earlier? I'm trying to search for it right now but this thread seems like an eternity.

:D

By the way, I'm also curious if HeRoseFromTheDead and JaumeJ agree with Peterjens that truth is not absolute. Thanks. Peace.
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Peter actually said this? WOW~!
 
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