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Here is a great video when you have time to watch...it talks about 2 Timothy 2:12 and the historical social environment it was given in...it gives great insights....:)



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Took me a minute to find. Here it is.
 
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Took me a minute to find. Here it is.
Good job!..it will bear witness with your spirit...it's a very thorough job done by a man who is a theologian and a woman explains part of it....the women gets to talk with a man there..*gasp*....lol
 

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you know, i was thinking earlier today (i do that from time to time :p)

paul wrote to different congregations or individuals, but he only addressed the woman being silent or not having authority in a couple of them. why not include the "woman" instructions in all the letters?

side note: i'm aware each letter had a target audience addressing the specific needs of said audience.
 
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I must have missed those commercials. Thanks!

(Scary thought, you go out on a blind date and that's who meets you.)
 
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you know, i was thinking earlier today (i do that from time to time :p)

paul wrote to different congregations or individuals, but he only addressed the woman being silent or not having authority in a couple of them. why not include the "woman" instructions in all the letters?

side note: i'm aware each letter had a target audience addressing the specific needs of said audience.
I think of the letters like me writing to friends about the latest goings-on in Philly. I'm not going to tell the football fan friend that Chip Kelly is gone, because football fans know we got rid of him. I'm not going to tell another friend that gardening season is coming soon, because that friend lives in the same growing zone, so already knows.

Paul knew these people and churches. I figure he doesn't have to tell the orderly church how to have an orderly service, and he doesn't have to tell the Corinthians... Ummm, seems like he had to tell the Corinthians everything.
 
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I'm watching it on the back deck (sunshine finally!) and don't want to forget to mention this so I paused vid because I'm too lazy to get up and don't have a pen and paper. Well, first, Holy Spirit leaped in me at his opening prayer, so 'nuff said for me, I'm listening!

But when he's speaking of Paul understanding culture and not overturning it in a day, I was reminded of the verse about how God gave them some laws that weren't good for them, but because of the hardness of their hearts it was permitted even though it wasn't what God wanted from the beginning. That verse ties in as well. :)
 
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Good job!..it will bear witness with your spirit...it's a very thorough job done by a man who is a theologian and a woman explains part of it....the women gets to talk with a man there..*gasp*....lol

Shoe - eeee!!!
Bless that man, bless that young lady, bless you, B.
Oh bless my soul!

There is one thing I wish they would have addressed, even if toward the end. Men have had this done to them, too, with the one wife passage. They need to understand how that ties in here too. To not let themselves be bound either.

Oh bless you, B!

This has made me ravenous and I'm going to a drive thru because there is nothing on earth I want to do now but watch the second vid you've given us. Not gonna cook the dinner I had planned for myself.
 
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Shoe - eeee!!!
Bless that man, bless that young lady, bless you, B.
Oh bless my soul!

There is one thing I wish they would have addressed, even if toward the end. Men have had this done to them, too, with the one wife passage. They need to understand how that ties in here too. To not let themselves be bound either.

Oh bless you, B!

This has made me ravenous and I'm going to a drive thru because there is nothing on earth I want to do now but watch the second vid you've given us. Not gonna cook the dinner I had planned for myself.
This is a living example of the fulfillment of our Lord's words below..:).

John 8:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

 
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That is a real reach. You are supposing, or whoever it is you are copying and pasting here, that nymphas is incorrect. To say it is bride instead of bridegroom is an assumption with no proof.
To say a woman is the minister is to add words, because again, it doesn't say that and that is an assumption.
To support such a posit you must reject Paul's credibility completely.
To say bishop is wrong, again, you must discredit Paul who told us "husband of one wife", of which there can be no dispute of the gender referred to there.
Paul told Titus to ordain elders. You think elder is feminine by gender?
God is masculine. Christ is masculine. The Holy Spirit is masculine. Only by twisting scripture can you or anyone else claim God's message was meant to be taught and or preached by women.
As with every single person on this thread that advocates women in the pulpit, you state, in effect, that Paul speaks with no authority from God, that Christ never taught him, and that the KJV is simply a perversion of the gospel.
Which one, or is it all three?

The ridiculous stretching of scripture to cover women preaching here is disgusting. Supposedly true believers trashing the man God picked to finish Christ's mission, to bring His gospel at last to the gentile. God picked Paul before he was born. Or is that a lie too? Or are you saying that Paul slid into apostasy later?
Which ludicrous plot do you think it was?
You people's blanket ain't getting the job done. You're going to find that out, and I hope for your sakes it is sooner rather than later.
Change your bed. Your feet are getting cold.
This is what happens when someone lives their life by what they've been told instead of studying the Word for themselves.

To the readers: This is an example of what happens when the traditions of men has preeminence over the the Scriptures. When Scriptures don't have preeminence, neither does Jesus for He is The Word of God.
 
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This is what happens when someone lives their life by what they've been told instead of studying the Word for themselves.

To the readers: This is an example of what happens when the traditions of men has preeminence over the the Scriptures. When Scriptures don't have preeminence, neither does Jesus for He is The Word of God.
Hi, What do you mean--to what scriptures do you reference?
 

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Then how much of that book do you attribute to God? And, how do you decide what is or isn't canon?
I attribute to God everything that is consistent with the values and desires demonstrated by God through God's actions in the Bible, in the time since then, and in our modern time. Basically, does it bring people closer to God, to God's truth, love, and life? Does it bring people closer to eachother at the same time as well? Or does it tear them apart or allow them to remain distant? Does it allow them to 'honor God with their lips while their hearts are far from him' (matthew 15:8) or does it demonstrate the heart of passion and character we see in Christ?

There are various ways to recognize God's involvement -- the fruit of the spirit (galatians 5:22-23), the qualities of 'wisdom from above' (james 3:17), the description of Love (1 corinthians 13:4-7), the fruit of our actions (matthew 7:16) and our love for eachother (john 15:35) and even the description of wisdom (proverbs 8).

You decide what is or isn't from the Holy Spirit by knowing the Holy Spirit. Developing that relationship involves risk, like stepping out of a boat and walking on water. Ironically, walking by faith to know God, is safer than using scripture by itself, as a kind of boat. Peter was safer walking with Jesus on the water, than he was in a man-made boat which was otherwise at the mercy of storms.

That said, boats aren't bad -- Jesus used them and he built stuff for people to use too. But the things God gave us are not a replacement for direct reliance on God.
 
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I have finished the article, B!
Of course, when I came to the extrapolation explanation, I was sure this was correct. They're right. This is not Paul!
But then I got to the quotation explanation and saw that with EITHER explanation, this was not Paul!
And as I was sitting here marveling over it, I recalled how when I was reading the bible as a new christian, I actually DID have the thought:this does not sound like the same man...

Thank you so much for both the video and the article. I have been so helped. You have no idea how you have helped me. NO IDEA! :)
 
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Uh ohhh is this discussion going down the "toss certain parts out of the Bible you don't feel is right" rabbit hole?

I really advise folks from following that piper...
 
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Ah, we have gone the same way...we've made and are making the same exact mistakes as Israel did...
This is way worse than I thought.
We aren't just kind of moseying in the same general direction. The mistakes have been made and they are the same exact mistakes, all over again.
The only thing keeping me from jumping right out of my skin right now is you guys.
This is really bad. And we're little kids playing house or something...