The "Rapture"?

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EarsToHear

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Remember that religion is one of Satan’s hidden dynasties. He loves to plant false doctrines, which twist Scripture, in Christian churches.


If you believe the rapture, you may find yourself among the following group of deceived Christians when Christ returns.


And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. Revelation 6:16


The above folks are so ashamed because they’ve been worshiping the wrong Christ.


It seems that the rapture people have forgotten how to count. The think the 7th trump comes before 6th ... that the real Christ comes before the false one comes. Christ returns at the 7th trump, not the 6th trump;


At the 6th seal, 6th trump, 6th vial, Michael will boot satan, playing his role as the antichrist (instead of Christ in the Greek), from heaven to earth (Revelation Chapter 12:6-9). Keep in mind that Revelation is a Prophetic book making the word SAW into the futuristic word "will" fall etc.


Christ also gave you all 7 seals & trumps in Mark 13, Luke 21, and Matthew 24. Have you read them with understanding?


Before 1830, you can find no mention of the Rapture Doctrine. That alone ought to send up a red flag. In fact, the word "rapture" is not in the Bible. So, where did this false doctrine come from? In 1830, Margaret MacDonald had an evil revelation on her sick bed, supposedly from God, in which she was shown what would become "The Rapture Of The Church", among other names.


And, from The Incredible Cover-up by Dave Macpherson, Appendix A, you'll read:


"I felt this needed to be revealed, and that there was great darkness and error about it; but suddenly what it was burst upon me with a glorious light." - Margaret MacDonald (Spring of 1830)


MacDonald's revelation would have probably died with her; however, two preachers grabbed it, cleaned it up, and presented it to Christendom. Today, you'll hear many pastors promoting that false doctrine from pulpits.
 

EarsToHear

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Revelation 13:16-17


16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:


This is the "Mark of the beast" which is confusing to many today. This mark is in your hand, and in your forehead. Can an electronic chip be put in your hand, and forehead change your beliefs? I don't think so.


"In your hand" is an idiom that means to do Satan's work. You do the work of Satan [the Antichrist] when you bring others to him or help in his system. This mark in the hand is speaking in a spiritual sense.

"In the forehead" is referring to your mind [brain]. Being deceived by Satan in your mind is when you think he is the true Christ, and in ignorance you worship him. No computer chip will condemn you, for it is your faith that you will be judged by.


17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
 

Ahwatukee

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This is the "Mark of the beast" which is confusing to many today. This mark is in your hand, and in your forehead. Can an electronic chip be put in your hand, and forehead change your beliefs? I don't think so.

"Unless anyone had the mark, they would not be able to buy or sell."

The system that the mark of the beast will use is here and has been evolving for some time now and people don't even realize it, not even those in Christ. The majority of people world-wide, make their purchases via electronic crediting and debiting (buying and selling) by the swiping of their cards and also by phone applications. The world has been, is and will continue to move the population towards a cashless society. This system will continue to evolve leading up to that sub-dermal device (the mark), which will eventually replace the other methods of buying and selling. When that beast comes onto the scene of human history, he will then make cash, checks, cards, phone apps and whatever else is being used for electronic crediting and debiting and they will be replaced with that personal sub-dermal device, his mark. The numbers of the beast 666, being the number of his name, will most likely be included in the array of numbers that are currently associated with the cards and phone apps that are used such as the world banking code, the country identifier and so-on. As an example of the world going cashless, Demark is set to do just that this year, that is, become the first completely cashless society with the rest of her sister nations to follow and then the rest of the world. If you don't believe that the word of God is speaking about a literal mark in the right hand or forehead, then just click on the link below and see what Sweden began last year:

Swedish office staff offered implants to access facilities - BBC News
 

Ahwatukee

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"In your hand" is an idiom that means to do Satan's work. You do the work of Satan [the Antichrist] when you bring others to him or help in his system. This mark in the hand is speaking in a spiritual sense.

"In the forehead" is referring to your mind [brain]. Being deceived by Satan in your mind is when you think he is the true Christ, and in ignorance you worship him. No computer chip will condemn you, for it is your faith that you will be judged by.
The above is a well known false teaching from the Seventh Day Adventists and others, which takes the literal word of God and forces a symbolic meaning onto it. But if you read the scripture at face value, then it means what it says, that is, a literal mark, in the literal hand and in the literal forehead, to literally be able to buy and sell.

No computer chip will condemn you, for it is your faith that you will be judged by.
Scripture states that anyone who receives this literal mark in the hand or forehead will incur the full wrath of God and that because the inhabitants will rather be willing to save their own lives by receiving the mark, which will be the only way to buy or sell electronically, and thereby aligning themselves with beast rather than repenting and be prepared to die for Christ's sake by resisting the beast and his mark. This goes along with what Jesus said, "For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it."

Make no mistake, the mark is a literal mark and has already been introduced and is being used in Sweden and elsewhere and therefore, the burden of proof is on those who would symbolize the mark, seeing that people are already being implanted under the skin of the hand.
 
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Shpadoinkle

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End Times has got to be one of the most confusing things. It makes no sense to me at all, no matter what viewpoint a person has. It's all just confusing to me and it makes my head hurt.
 

Yet

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End Times has got to be one of the most confusing things. It makes no sense to me at all, no matter what viewpoint a person has. It's all just confusing to me and it makes my head hurt.
I chuckled when I read your post. I'm reaching for the aspirin as I write. Smile.
 

EarsToHear

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The above is a well known false teaching from the Seventh Day Adventists and others, which takes the literal word of God and forces a symbolic meaning onto it. But if you read the scripture at face value, then it means what it says, that is, a literal mark, in the literal hand and in the literal forehead, to literally be able to buy and sell.



Scripture states that anyone who receives this literal mark in the hand or forehead will incur the full wrath of God and that because the inhabitants will rather be willing to save their own lives by receiving the mark, which will be the only way to buy or sell electronically, and thereby aligning themselves with beast rather than repenting and be prepared to die for Christ's sake by resisting the beast and his mark. This goes along with what Jesus said, "For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it."

Make no mistake, the mark is a literal mark and has already been introduced and is being used in Sweden and elsewhere and therefore, the burden of proof is on those who would symbolize the mark, seeing that people are already being implanted under the skin of the hand.
Once again you're so far off base that you're in another ballpark: The ballpark of mass confusion.

Romans 11:8 According as it is written (Isaiah 29:10), God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day.


Acts 28:25-27
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoAken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
 
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Shpadoinkle

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I chuckled when I read your post. I'm reaching for the aspirin as I write. Smile.


Cheers.

Seriously. Eschatology makes me tilt my head like a puppy listening to an off-balance dryer. Pre-trib, post-trib, mid-trib, millennial kingdom, anti-Christ, Daniel's 70-week prophecy, the number of the beast.

*woosh* Right over my head. All of it.
 

Ahwatukee

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Once again you're so far off base that you're in another ballpark: The ballpark of mass confusion.

Romans 11:8 According as it is written (Isaiah 29:10), God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day.


Acts 28:25-27
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoAken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Really? Who's off base, the one who believes what is written in the word of God or the one who changes the meaning of what is written? The burden of proof is on you and that because scripture states that there will be a literal mark in the literal right hand or literal forehead. And that without that mark no one will be able to buy or sell. Again the burden of proof is on you and those who believe as you do, for we already have that electronic buying and selling system in place and I have provided the video showing that people are already being implanted and one of those purposes is to make purchases. This technology will continue to evolve into that mark as the time comes closer for the revealing of that antichrist.

I don't have to prove anything and that because the evidence is already here demonstrating a literal mark. All you and others have to do who don't believe this is to continue to watch the events as they continue to unfold. As far slumbering, you and others are the ones who need to wake up and understand these prophesies. Stop spiritualizing what is meant to be literal.
 

EarsToHear

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Unwise people always end up debating themselves.

When you hear the thunder, the lightning has already struck.
 

Ahwatukee

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Unwise people always end up debating themselves. When you hear the thunder, the lightning has already struck.
EArsToHear, Just keep watching what happens to the our monetary system as it continues to evolve. You will see more reliance on electronic crediting and debiting. When that beast is revealed, then the other methods of buying and selling will be made obsolete and the only method of electronic payment will be via his mark and without it no one will be able credit and debit their bank accounts, which is how he "forces" all both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to receive it. To simplify it some, what if the only way a person could buy and sell electronically was by having a card or a phone app and cash and checks were obsolete? Then only those who had those devices could make purchases, right? Well then, take it to the next step. At some point during the beasts reign, cash, checks, cards and phone apps will be made obsolete, leaving only that mark. It will force people to either receive it in order to continue to be able to live or reject it. Those who reject, which will be the great tribulation saints, will do so for the testimony of Jesus and the word of God.

I have been following this from the beginning when the first ATM's came out, followed by the UPC system, followed by the point of sale (POS) and now people are able to credit and debit each others accounts electronically using phone apps and card readers that fit right into their phones. And now the technology for chip implant is being used as you saw when you watched the video, if you watched it. That this technology even exists is a testimony to the truth and accuracy of God's word.

Those who interpret the mark, the hand and the forehead as being symbolic also claim that one has received the mark by observing the Sabbath on Sunday. That said, it is interesting to me that of the letters that were written to the churches, not once is the Sabbath mentioned in regards to keeping it on the wrong day. In fact, the word Sabbath does not even appear in the book of Revelation. Now, one would think that if the observance of the Sabbath on Sunday was spiritually the receiving of the mark of the beast, then it would be mentioned somewhere in Revelation, but it is nowhere to be found. Surely something that would be so detrimental to one's eternal life would be mentioned in the letters to the seven churches and elsewhere.

The mark of the beast will be just as scripture states, a literal mark in the right hand or forehead and without it no one will be able to buy or sell and that because that mark will replace the current devices used for electronic crediting and debiting, with the others being made obsolete. If you continue to no believe just continue to watch this technology, for it will continue to evolve towards that literal mark. The world is going to see the use of electronic crediting and debiting increase and cash and checks decrease. Just keep watching and it will prove itself!
 
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EarsToHear

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EArsToHear, Just keep watching what happens to the our monetary system as it continues to evolve. You will see more reliance on electronic crediting and debiting. When that beast is revealed, then the other methods of buying and selling will be made obsolete and the only method of electronic payment will be via his mark and without it no one will be able credit and debit their bank accounts, which is how he "forces" all both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to receive it. To simplify it some, what if the only way a person could buy and sell electronically was by having a card or a phone app and cash and checks were obsolete? Then only those who had those devices could make purchases, right? Well then, take it to the next step. At some point during the beasts reign, cash, checks, cards and phone apps will be made obsolete, leaving only that mark. It will force people to either receive it in order to continue to be able to live or reject it. Those who reject, which will be the great tribulation saints, will do so for the testimony of Jesus and the word of God.

I have been following this from the beginning when the first ATM's came out, followed by the UPC system, followed by the point of sale (POS) and now people are able to credit and debit each others accounts electronically using phone apps and card readers that fit right into their phones. And now the technology for chip implant is being used as you saw when you watched the video, if you watched it. That this technology even exists is a testimony to the truth and accuracy of God's word.

Those who interpret the mark, the hand and the forehead as being symbolic also claim that one has received the mark by observing the Sabbath on Sunday. That said, it is interesting to me that of the letters that were written to the churches, not once is the Sabbath mentioned in regards to keeping it on the wrong day. In fact, the word Sabbath does not even appear in the book of Revelation. Now, one would think that if the observance of the Sabbath on Sunday was spiritually the receiving of the mark of the beast, then it would be mentioned somewhere in Revelation, but it is nowhere to be found. Surely something that would be so detrimental to one's eternal life would be mentioned in the letters to the seven churches and elsewhere.

The mark of the beast will be just as scripture states, a literal mark in the right hand or forehead and without it no one will be able to buy or sell and that because that mark will replace the current devices used for electronic crediting and debiting, with the others being made obsolete. If you continue to no believe just continue to watch this technology, for it will continue to evolve towards that literal mark. The world is going to see the use of electronic crediting and debiting increase and cash and checks decrease. Just keep watching and it will prove itself!
Thanks, but no thanks.

I'll stick with His Word. He is always right. Man, on the other hand, seldom knows if he is coming or going.

Beware of the babbling, upside-down folks. They try to turn right into wrong and wrong into right.


Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 
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popeye

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Remember that religion is one of Satan’s hidden dynasties. He loves to plant false doctrines, which twist Scripture, in Christian churches.


If you believe the rapture, you may find yourself among the following group of deceived Christians when Christ returns.


And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. Revelation 6:16


The above folks are so ashamed because they’ve been worshiping the wrong Christ.


It seems that the rapture people have forgotten how to count. The think the 7th trump comes before 6th ... that the real Christ comes before the false one comes. Christ returns at the 7th trump, not the 6th trump;


At the 6th seal, 6th trump, 6th vial, Michael will boot satan, playing his role as the antichrist (instead of Christ in the Greek), from heaven to earth (Revelation Chapter 12:6-9). Keep in mind that Revelation is a Prophetic book making the word SAW into the futuristic word "will" fall etc.


Christ also gave you all 7 seals & trumps in Mark 13, Luke 21, and Matthew 24. Have you read them with understanding?


Before 1830, you can find no mention of the Rapture Doctrine. That alone ought to send up a red flag. In fact, the word "rapture" is not in the Bible. So, where did this false doctrine come from? In 1830, Margaret MacDonald had an evil revelation on her sick bed, supposedly from God, in which she was shown what would become "The Rapture Of The Church", among other names.


And, from The Incredible Cover-up by Dave Macpherson, Appendix A, you'll read:


"I felt this needed to be revealed, and that there was great darkness and error about it; but suddenly what it was burst upon me with a glorious light." - Margaret MacDonald (Spring of 1830)


MacDonald's revelation would have probably died with her; however, two preachers grabbed it, cleaned it up, and presented it to Christendom. Today, you'll hear many pastors promoting that false doctrine from pulpits.
She was post trib. She erroneously believed the church had to go through the GT.


She believed the same thing you do. Most post tribs no longer deploy that rabbit trail.

BTW,THERE ARE NO POSTRIB RAPTURE VERSES.
 

tinytom

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Thanks, but no thanks.

I'll stick with His Word. He is always right. Man, on the other hand, seldom knows if he is coming or going.

Beware of the babbling, upside-down folks. They try to turn right into wrong and wrong into right.


Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Sorry mate, but your doctrine is wrong. The mark is simple. Of all the end time prophesies, it's by far the easiest. It's the sure fire way to separate yourself from God. If you also worship the beast. So He made that so very simple, but people like you just refuse to hear.

You were quoting Scripture, but you should have been understanding the same. You have hardened your heart so you refuse to hear.

It doesn't matter if you believe the mark is different, but if you take the mark, in your right hand or forehead, you will be separated from God, forever. For if you willingly take the mark, you will worship the beast.

Revelation 14:9Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.…

I've never thought the mark alone, was enough to get separated from God for eternity. But, if you take it, willingly, I don't know how you will have the strength, not to worship the beast, and if you do both, your doomed. Period.
 
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popeye

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Thanks, but no thanks.

I'll stick with His Word. He is always right. Man, on the other hand, seldom knows if he is coming or going.

Beware of the babbling, upside-down folks. They try to turn right into wrong and wrong into right.


Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
I don't see how you are " sticking with his word"when you leave out the pre trib verses
 
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popeye

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Sorry mate, but your doctrine is wrong. The mark is simple. Of all the end time prophesies, it's by far the easiest. It's the sure fire way to separate yourself from God. If you also worship the beast. So He made that so very simple, but people like you just refuse to hear.

You were quoting Scripture, but you should have been understanding the same. You have hardened your heart so you refuse to hear.

It doesn't matter if you believe the mark is different, but if you take the mark, in your right hand or forehead, you will be separated from God, forever. For if you willingly take the mark, you will worship the beast.

Revelation 14:9Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.…

I've never thought the mark alone, was enough to get separated from God for eternity. But, if you take it, willingly, I don't know how you will have the strength, not to worship the beast, and if you do both, your doomed. Period.
I hope he is awake when they arrest those refusing the mark.
I can not imagine a true believer taking the mark.
 

EarsToHear

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That depicts those left behind after the pre trib rapture LOL
Our Heavenly Father laughs when He watches down on all the ignorance that is going on under the name of education, politics, and religion today.
 

PlainWord

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"Unless anyone had the mark, they would not be able to buy or sell."

The system that the mark of the beast will use is here and has been evolving for some time now and people don't even realize it, not even those in Christ. The majority of people world-wide, make their purchases via electronic crediting and debiting (buying and selling) by the swiping of their cards and also by phone applications. The world has been, is and will continue to move the population towards a cashless society. This system will continue to evolve leading up to that sub-dermal device (the mark), which will eventually replace the other methods of buying and selling. When that beast comes onto the scene of human history, he will then make cash, checks, cards, phone apps and whatever else is being used for electronic crediting and debiting and they will be replaced with that personal sub-dermal device, his mark. The numbers of the beast 666, being the number of his name, will most likely be included in the array of numbers that are currently associated with the cards and phone apps that are used such as the world banking code, the country identifier and so-on. As an example of the world going cashless, Demark is set to do just that this year, that is, become the first completely cashless society with the rest of her sister nations to follow and then the rest of the world. If you don't believe that the word of God is speaking about a literal mark in the right hand or forehead, then just click on the link below and see what Sweden began last year:

Swedish office staff offered implants to access facilities - BBC News
Let's try this again. You need only one of three "things" in order to be able to buy or sell. The "mark" is one of the three choices.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

So, the "mark" cannot be a computer chip because if it was, how can you buy or sell with just the "name" or "number" of the beast? Also, everyone focuses on the "BUYING" and not the "SELLING." How would the computer chip be used in the "SELLING?" Would the cashier have to swipe his head or wrist before he could sell something to the customer? This computer chip idea makes no sense!!
 

PlainWord

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I don't see how you are " sticking with his word"when you leave out the pre trib verses
There are no pre-trib verses, not even one. There is no passage that tells us of a rapture return Before the Great Tribulation of Israel. Remember, where the Tribulation is located. It is Israel.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Who is told to flee? Just those in Judea!!