Why the king james?

[KJV1611]

I suspected this would be your response. It is illogical, speculative, and downright ridiculous. If you aren't convinced by the translators themselves that the KJV is neither inerrant nor (specifically) inspired, there is no hope to convince you. Only the Holy Spirit can set you free.

By the way, despite your acknowledgment of the need to proofread, you managed to miss two spelling errors.

By the way, why do you think God is not able to translate his word perfectly in to other languages?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If Abraham had no works then he did not have real faith. If he didn't have real faith then he was not considered righteous.

Thank you. You just proved the NIV is correct. That is exactly what James was saying. And the NIV actually did a better job of showing it than the KJV. Who tells us that Abrahan was justified by his work, Which could easily be misinterpreted as saying Abraham was declared innocent, or saved, by his works. and not just "considered righteous' because of his work.

That's not what the NIV says though is it. The NIV in plain simple English says Abraham was considered righteous, not because of his faith, but because of his works. Change "considered righteous" to justified and the NIV would be right.

James 2:21New International Version (NIV)

21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

Nope. it is correct. Abraham was considered righteous because of hs works. You just admitted in plain english that if Abraham had no work he would not be considered righteous.

In context of the passage, Abraham was considered righteous by his work. as apposed to those who claim to have faith but have no work. Why?


[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[SUP][e][/SUP] and he was called God’s friend. (niv)

So see, The NIV is correct, if taken in context. Both are right, because the context is faith (belief) not works..

So I am going to keep this post saved, so I can re-post it any time you try to declare a person is not considered righteous by his work.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The only way to verify if any version is inspired is by inerrancy and things in the text that only God have known and caused to happen.... the KJV fits that bill.

No it does not.

Only in your head. You have no more proof than anyone else..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope you wont convince me, my eyes have been opened and I've tasted the honey... no going back for me.

And this this thread needs to be closed. And everyone needs to stop talking to this person about this subject.

He is not here to discuss the issue, As he just admitted, No one will change his mind.. TIME TO LET IT GO!!

 

[John146]

Will your mind ever be changed concerning the promise of God preserving His words? Will you ever be convinced that we have a Bible we can trust?

And this this thread needs to be closed. And everyone needs to stop talking to this person about this subject.

He is not here to discuss the issue, As he just admitted, No one will change his mind.. TIME TO LET IT GO!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Will your mind ever be changed concerning the promise of God preserving His words? Will you ever be convinced that we have a Bible we can trust?

I have many bibles I can trust. I have yet to find one (well yes, I did find one) that has let me down yet..

I trust God not men..

 

[John146]

How can they be trusted when they say different things? Words that count, not just the message. The Lord said, "Man shall not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." To live for God, I need every word not just the message.

I have many bibles I can trust. I have yet to find one (well yes, I did find one) that has let me down yet..

I trust God not men..

 

[John146]

Have you trusted God when He promised to preserve His pure words without mixture for all generations? Pure words, plural, not just the message.

I have many bibles I can trust. I have yet to find one (well yes, I did find one) that has let me down yet..

I trust God not men..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Have you trusted God when He promised to preserve His pure words without mixture for all generations? Pure words, plural, not just the message.

He did, With the HS.

Not in words of men, in translation of a flawed language.

It has proven the KJV is flawed. If you do not want to see the proof. thats on you.. I am through with this ridiculous argument. I lived it for many years. I have been freed of it, If youi want to remain a slave in it, thats on you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How can they be trusted when they say different things? Words that count, not just the message. The Lord said, "Man shall not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." To live for God, I need every word not just the message.

lol.. Dude, the KJV is not even right. It does not say in eph 2: 8 - 9 we are perfectly saved, yet the greek does.

so please. Get over it.. if you thought you were going to come rescue this thread, your sadly mistaken. At least on my account.

 

[trofimus]

"Lord" wasn't dropped, it never was there to start with. Isaiah was talking to the Lord, that's a given whether it says Lord or not.

Not true. You can check it out, its in Septuagint:

Is 53:1
ΚΥΡΙΕ, τίς ἐπίστευσε τῇ ἀκοῇ ἡμῶν?
Lord, who has believed our report?

 

[trofimus]

By the way, why do you think God is not able to translate his word perfectly in to other languages?

Thats a Straw-man fallacy - we are not talking about what God is able to do, but whether your statements about KJV are true.

 

[trofimus]

Will your mind ever be changed concerning the promise of God preserving His words? Will you ever be convinced that we have a Bible we can trust?

Well, you cant trust KJV for every word, I have shown you dozens of examples... so if you continue repeating that KJV is without any error, then you are showing what is called a "blind faith".

 

[John146]

No final authority = man is final authority

Ya'll continue being the final authority of what God has said. See how that has worked out for the U.S. Modern versions have led us to the Laodician Age, and it will be the modern versions that open the door for the anti-Christ, "yeah, hath God said?"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No final authority = man is final authority

Ya'll continue being the final authority of what God has said. See how that has worked out for the U.S. Modern versions have led us to the Laodician Age, and it will be the modern versions that open the door for the anti-Christ, "yeah, hath God said?"

Again,

It has been PROVEN that the KJV is a flawed version, By the language itself. because there are no words to properly translate some greek types of words (ie aorist or perfect tense, as well as others)

So keep relying on a book and causing discord and division in Gods church. Do not expect God to condone this stuff. He does not..

 

[KJV1611]

Thank you. You just proved the NIV is correct. That is exactly what James was saying. And the NIV actually did a better job of showing it than the KJV. Who tells us that Abrahan was justified by his work, Which could easily be misinterpreted as saying Abraham was declared innocent, or saved, by his works. and not just "considered righteous' because of his work.

Could you explain how Abraham was "considered righteous" by offering up Isaac? Why did that work cause God to see him as being righteous?

 

[KJV1611]

Nope. it is correct. Abraham was considered righteous because of hs works. You just admitted in plain english that if Abraham had no work he would not be considered righteous.

No I did not say Abraham was considered righteous because of his works. I said if Abraham had no works then he did not have real faith. If he didn't have real FAITH (NOT HIS WORKS) then he was not considered as righteous... I see what you're doing here EG. You're twisting the NIV verse to make it say what you want it to say and you're totally ignoring what the TEXT ACTUALLY SAYS. Do you really think you can come to the truth by twisting the words?

In context of the passage, Abraham was considered righteous by his work. as apposed to those who claim to have faith but have no work. Why?

So what you're saying is that Abraham's faith was justified by his works. Abraham wasn't justified or considered righteous by his works, his faith was justified as being real saving faith.

 

[KJV1611]

Originally Posted by KJV1611
The only way to verify if any version is inspired is by inerrancy and things in the text that only God have known and caused to happen.... the KJV fits that bill.

No it does not.

Only in your head. You have no more proof than anyone else..

In Genesis in the KJV the serpent spoke exactly 46 words to Eve in the garden. Is that coincidence or did someone who knew about DNA hide that knowledge in the KJV?

 

[KJV1611]

Originally Posted by KJV1611
The only way to verify if any version is inspired is by inerrancy and things in the text that only God have known and caused to happen.... the KJV fits that bill.

Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull

No it does not.

Only in your head. You have no more proof than anyone else..

Is it coincidence that the KJV capitalized exactly 13 words describing The Harlot in Revelation 17:5 or did someone put their signature on the bible? Do you know how God uses the number 13 in the bible? Or how about the number 9, or the number 4? You see EG I can't talk to you about inspiration of the KJV because you don't understand enough about the bible to talk intelligently about it. The things I talk about are so far above your understanding that you think I'm crazy for saying them.... and you want to tell me the KJV isn't inspired... man please, get real!

Revelation 17:5 KJV
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH .

 

[KJV1611]

And this this thread needs to be closed. And everyone needs to stop talking to this person about this subject.

He is not here to discuss the issue, As he just admitted, No one will change his mind.. TIME TO LET IT GO!!

No this thread doesn't need to be closed, people need to check out what's being said here rather than just condemning things they know nothing about.