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You just don't understand it.
Repent means to change your mind. You were walking in sin, you've seen the light, you understand sin is destruction, you change from sin to Jesus.
It only happens the one time you turn from sin. UNLESS you start sinning again, then you repent for that sin.
The only people that need to repent constantly are those that sin constantly. How many times are you going to change your mind?
Once forgiveness is extended we put that behind us and move on.
Paul said "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,"
If you cannot comprehend this very easy concept then you have no business of ever trying to explain any of the bible to anyone. It simply does not get easier to understand.
Not one time, at no place, never, does it in the bible say that we must keep getting forgiveness for those past sins that we have been forgiven for.
That is old testament stuff. repetitive offering of blood offerings on the altar because they weren't good enough. Jesus' blood is good enough. It was offered one time, for everyone. If you keep repenting you are telling God the blood of His Son wasn't good enough for you.
You do not have to keep praying "Dear Jesus, that one time I lied 7 years ago, I want to ask you again to forgive me...and I'll be asking you again next time I pray".
ONE TIME is all it takes for God to say "I forgive you". That's it! You're done. Just stop sinning and you don't have to repent again.
Repent means to change your mind. You were walking in sin, you've seen the light, you understand sin is destruction, you change from sin to Jesus.
It only happens the one time you turn from sin. UNLESS you start sinning again, then you repent for that sin.
The only people that need to repent constantly are those that sin constantly. How many times are you going to change your mind?
Once forgiveness is extended we put that behind us and move on.
Paul said "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,"
If you cannot comprehend this very easy concept then you have no business of ever trying to explain any of the bible to anyone. It simply does not get easier to understand.
Not one time, at no place, never, does it in the bible say that we must keep getting forgiveness for those past sins that we have been forgiven for.
That is old testament stuff. repetitive offering of blood offerings on the altar because they weren't good enough. Jesus' blood is good enough. It was offered one time, for everyone. If you keep repenting you are telling God the blood of His Son wasn't good enough for you.
You do not have to keep praying "Dear Jesus, that one time I lied 7 years ago, I want to ask you again to forgive me...and I'll be asking you again next time I pray".
ONE TIME is all it takes for God to say "I forgive you". That's it! You're done. Just stop sinning and you don't have to repent again.
phil..there is so much more to repenting then what you have said. It would serve you well to go back and read what real repentance is and then you will understand the joy of repenting constantly. Changing our minds to truth is a God-given blessing. and yes it does include our attitude towards sin. Please read post #135 and watch the video. It'll bless you!
The hyper grace concept of repentance (focusing on one's identity in Christ) is indistinguishable from the Christian gnostic concept of repentance (focusing on one's spiritual nature). Compare how much hyper grace believers here say they love to repent all of the time with this said about gnostics:
"The ultimate end of all Gnosis is metanoia, or repentance, the undoing of the sin of material existence and the return to the Pleroma."
The way they undid the sin of material existence was to ignore it and focus on their identity as spirit beings.
"The ultimate end of all Gnosis is metanoia, or repentance, the undoing of the sin of material existence and the return to the Pleroma."
The way they undid the sin of material existence was to ignore it and focus on their identity as spirit beings.
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We are saved by grace not by faith. Faith comes from hearing and hearing the word of God not from us. Grace saves us because God alone is able to save. We cannot nor do we ever deserve salvation.
Grace allow us to completely trust Christ to save us knowing that Gods word has said He will.
We are completely justified before the Father through the shed blood of Christ. Justified wholly so the law of sin and the death that it produces cannot touch us. Our debt to the law and the penalty has been fully paid by Christ. Fully paid not one iota let to pay. It's all ours by grace because of the great love wherewith He has loved us.
All the pieces fall into perfect order when we allow Christ to save us and surrender ourselves by grace to serve Him as He wills. No sanctification is a good evidence of no salvation but we cannot sanctify ourselves only God sanctifies us again by His grace.
Never has one so deserving of condemnation been given so great a salvation as when Jesus saved men. All the riches of heaven given to one who owed an immense debt because of sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Grace allow us to completely trust Christ to save us knowing that Gods word has said He will.
We are completely justified before the Father through the shed blood of Christ. Justified wholly so the law of sin and the death that it produces cannot touch us. Our debt to the law and the penalty has been fully paid by Christ. Fully paid not one iota let to pay. It's all ours by grace because of the great love wherewith He has loved us.
All the pieces fall into perfect order when we allow Christ to save us and surrender ourselves by grace to serve Him as He wills. No sanctification is a good evidence of no salvation but we cannot sanctify ourselves only God sanctifies us again by His grace.
Never has one so deserving of condemnation been given so great a salvation as when Jesus saved men. All the riches of heaven given to one who owed an immense debt because of sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Well said!....the highlighted part above is what many have a hard time with and also to define where one is on this road to growing up in Christ. Thank God for the Holy Spirit within us to lead us in all things and to reveal Jesus to us and all that He has already done for us by His grace.
An orange tree is still an orange tree until time and growth reveals the fruit.
An orange tree is still an orange tree until time and growth reveals the fruit.
There is a simple problem here, it is mixing visual language. Jesus talks about sheep and goats.
Jesus never talks about goats being turned into sheep, or pigs and dogs becoming sheep.
What Jesus is showing that those who are predestined to listen to Him listen. They know their Lord and listen to His voice.
Now the reason for this logic is to make the concept of those who turn to Christ are not really believers, so do not fall away.
To give the reader an idea of who is trying to use this language, are quite happy to call believers pigs and dogs.
But then if you disagree with these people, you must be from satan. The problem is people fit facts around their theology rather than their theology around facts. If they like what people are generally saying, they will describe the teacher as basically ok, everyone has some issues with their faith understanding. Oddly if it just a few certain ideas, then you are the enemy. This is extremely inconsistent and open to personal emotions or feelings of the moment.
If simple problems about their theology are raised the issues are not addressed just ignored. Then a superior "I have repeated the same issues 200 times or more" which is simply not true.
Central to their ideas is to emphasise how different things are in Christ than in Israel. They are addicted to polarisation, they do not want anyone to think their faith is just faith in Jesus, but a rejection of any sense of self justification, and want everyone who does not agree with them, they must be self justifiers, even if they are not.
Jesus never talks about goats being turned into sheep, or pigs and dogs becoming sheep.
What Jesus is showing that those who are predestined to listen to Him listen. They know their Lord and listen to His voice.
Now the reason for this logic is to make the concept of those who turn to Christ are not really believers, so do not fall away.
To give the reader an idea of who is trying to use this language, are quite happy to call believers pigs and dogs.
But then if you disagree with these people, you must be from satan. The problem is people fit facts around their theology rather than their theology around facts. If they like what people are generally saying, they will describe the teacher as basically ok, everyone has some issues with their faith understanding. Oddly if it just a few certain ideas, then you are the enemy. This is extremely inconsistent and open to personal emotions or feelings of the moment.
If simple problems about their theology are raised the issues are not addressed just ignored. Then a superior "I have repeated the same issues 200 times or more" which is simply not true.
Central to their ideas is to emphasise how different things are in Christ than in Israel. They are addicted to polarisation, they do not want anyone to think their faith is just faith in Jesus, but a rejection of any sense of self justification, and want everyone who does not agree with them, they must be self justifiers, even if they are not.
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The blood of Jesus gives us assurance and eternal safety. In Exodus 12 , when God saw the blood of the lamb on the upper door post and two side posts, the destroyer did no slay the firstborn, it passed over that house!
Every house in Egypt had something dead in it that night. Either the slain lamb, or the firstborn. Jesus, the Lamb of God was slain, and His blood shed. When God sees the blood of Christ covering us we are safe and secure forever!
" Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Heb 9:12
Every house in Egypt had something dead in it that night. Either the slain lamb, or the firstborn. Jesus, the Lamb of God was slain, and His blood shed. When God sees the blood of Christ covering us we are safe and secure forever!
" Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Heb 9:12
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While the outcome is the same I see that a little differently.
Hope you don’t mind my two cents .But there seems to be a difference on how certain words are used together. Faith, grace and works has many different conclusions from my experience and I will share if you would bear with me.
In order to reconcile faith with works, along with the use of the word grace, the reward. I offer that grace is not without faith any more than faith is without works. We are saved by grace; it is the reward of God’s work of faith according to His three day labor of love. And then I would add you finishing statement ....God’s faith that works in us, it comes from hearing and hearing the word..... The generator of the faith of God, it is not from us. Grace saves us because God alone is able to save. We cannot nor do we ever deserve salvation.
Because God did not just sweep our sin under a rug .Ultimately in the end we are saved by works, through the belief (faith) of God........... just not of ourselves lest any man boast.
Hebrews speaks of the faith of Christ that he gives to us, so that we can please Him and not the idea of pleasing our own imagination of our own heart as in self-talk. For he who says he is coming to Him in prayer needs the faith to make it possible to understand and therefore seek after God. He goes on to say he is the rewarder as the one who pays the wage of our sin.
When looking at the word rewarder it reminded me of the parable of the workers all given one penny to represent eternal life no matter how long they worked. When a dispute broke or the wage out. Christ said; Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own grace?
There we learn the first will be last, and the last first as in God is no respecter of person and therefore is not served by human hands in any way shape or form.
Note... I will add my personal commentary in purple in (parentheses)
Heb 11:6 But without faith (Christ’s working in us) it is impossible to please him (God) : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,(God and not our own selves) and he is a rewarder (one who pays wages) of them that diligently seek him.
Hope you don’t mind my two cents .But there seems to be a difference on how certain words are used together. Faith, grace and works has many different conclusions from my experience and I will share if you would bear with me.
In order to reconcile faith with works, along with the use of the word grace, the reward. I offer that grace is not without faith any more than faith is without works. We are saved by grace; it is the reward of God’s work of faith according to His three day labor of love. And then I would add you finishing statement ....God’s faith that works in us, it comes from hearing and hearing the word..... The generator of the faith of God, it is not from us. Grace saves us because God alone is able to save. We cannot nor do we ever deserve salvation.
Because God did not just sweep our sin under a rug .Ultimately in the end we are saved by works, through the belief (faith) of God........... just not of ourselves lest any man boast.
Hebrews speaks of the faith of Christ that he gives to us, so that we can please Him and not the idea of pleasing our own imagination of our own heart as in self-talk. For he who says he is coming to Him in prayer needs the faith to make it possible to understand and therefore seek after God. He goes on to say he is the rewarder as the one who pays the wage of our sin.
When looking at the word rewarder it reminded me of the parable of the workers all given one penny to represent eternal life no matter how long they worked. When a dispute broke or the wage out. Christ said; Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own grace?
There we learn the first will be last, and the last first as in God is no respecter of person and therefore is not served by human hands in any way shape or form.
Note... I will add my personal commentary in purple in (parentheses)
Heb 11:6 But without faith (Christ’s working in us) it is impossible to please him (God) : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,(God and not our own selves) and he is a rewarder (one who pays wages) of them that diligently seek him.
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Adding on to post #155, the critical message the Bible is trying to get across is that God is looking for one thing that determines one's eternal destiny.You can either reject the blood and die in your sins, or you can place complete faith in His blood and receive eternal redemption!
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." Rom 3:23-26
For salvation, adding works to the blood sacrifice of Christ and all hope is lost.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." Rom 3:23-26
For salvation, adding works to the blood sacrifice of Christ and all hope is lost.
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Really? So you don't believe the bible can, or does, do a sufficient job of explaining repentance, that I need to turn to man for the proper and indepth explanation. Gotcha. I'll let you explain that one to God. I'm sure He can't wait for you to tell Him how His spirit failed us and how you would have had the bible written.
But you go ahead and keep repenting constantly. Myself, I prefer to stop sinning and turn to His spirit for help with temptation when it arises.
But you go ahead and keep repenting constantly. Myself, I prefer to stop sinning and turn to His spirit for help with temptation when it arises.
