Baptisms

[JesusIsAll]

Well done Dan! To me the most vivid point is in green above. We must always let clear multiple scriptures be our guide and if an obscure scripture seems to contradict the clear scriptures - then this means we are not interpreting it correctly because we have a religious bias. As we wait on the Lord in this matter - Holy Spirit, He will reveal how this fits in with the known truth about the gospel of the grace of Christ.

Some things in scripture are progressive in nature too. As the disciples matured in the Lord - the more they knew about Christ and what He had done. Even after telling them 17 times He was going to die - they still didn't believe or understand what He was saying.

None knew about Christ being in us like the revelation that the Lord gave to Paul. Christ in us - the hope of glory is the mystery that we need to get a revelation of and what all that means to us because of our new creation in Christ.

Amen, and amen, Grace777x70. I also like things in green, and red. Would add that learning from Reformed Bible teachers you, by the Spirit, know to be of consistent, abiding Bible truth helps immensely, amazing how much agreement there is within a certain community of scholars, and how the cobwebs disappear.

 

[BrotherJustin]

That's not your place to judge. You strike me as being someone who tries to silence a side of the discussion that he doesn't like or agree with by pretending to be a peacemaker. A lot like progressives who try to silence their opposition by appealing to a higher moral cause.

I'm not going down this path with you, HeRoseFromTheDead.

If you believe I've done wrong, then show me what I've done wrong.

I told you why I cautioned against bickering in this thread. You've ignored my caution and called me judgmental (as you proceed to cite your own personal judgements against me)! This is not a call to 'silence' this is a call to consider your audience (consider the OP) as you consider your words.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I'm not going down this path with you, HeRoseFromTheDead.

If you believe I've done wrong, then show me what I've done wrong.

I told you why I cautioned against bickering in this thread. You've ignored my caution and called me judgmental (as you proceed to cite your own personal judgements against me)! This is not a call to 'silence' this is a call to consider your audience (consider the OP) as you consider your words.

The OP asked a question and deserves to know the answer. You IMO are doing her harm with your faux sanctimony.

 

[notuptome]

The translation is correct. If it were incorrect, then why have no translators taken it upon themselves to correct in all the revisions and new translations that have occurred in the past 100 or so years. They know the translation is correct and they are not willing to damage their credibility as scholars to retranslate that passage in a published translation. As I said earlier, no matter what one's soteriotology may be this, text still says what it says. If you do not like the KJV then here is the ESV, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." I have offered to go through the Greek with you point by point but you seem unwilling to do this. It is obvious we are not going to agree.

Wouldn't it be a great day if you would see this for what it is, Holy Spirit baptism and not water baptism.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JesusIsAll]

I'm not going down this path with you, HeRoseFromTheDead.

If you believe I've done wrong, then show me what I've done wrong.

I told you why I cautioned against bickering in this thread. You've ignored my caution and called me judgmental (as you proceed to cite your own personal judgements against me)! This is not a call to 'silence' this is a call to consider your audience (consider the OP) as you consider your words.

That's funny! I've always gotten a kick out of the old love card, kumbaya routine, when scripture truth gets too close to home to refute. It's only judgmental, when it's you making the same sort of point, which, as you state, you're being judged over being judgmental. Then there's the old, when you've lost the debate, attack the messenger. I'll never forget one guy here who got so angry he actually tried to call the judgment of God down on people, said they were surely on their way to hell, that it was unpardonable to disagree with him. Awhile later, a couple threads over, he's telling people how anger isn't Christ-like.

 

[BrotherJustin]

The OP asked a question and deserves to know the answer. You IMO are doing her harm with your faux sanctimony.

Alright. Well let's not focus on me, since I am not the subject.

Also, let's not focus on you, since you are not the subject.

Let's focus on Jesus, since Jesus is the subject.

What is it concerning Baptism that others have shared here (for CEF to review) that you find to be false and in need of correction?

 

[CEF]

Thanks, I willl be getting baptized Sunday and want to make sure I understand it!

 

[CEF]

Hey guys, I am taking time to read each of your comments. I have just been really busy lately with school. I have not forgotten about you! Then, I will reply back with a comment on yours! It's going to take some time, some of you have provided good verses and explanations! I will be getting baptized by water Sunday, that is why I am asking these questions! You guys are a great help!

 

[oldhermit]

Thanks, I willl be getting baptized Sunday and want to make sure I understand it!

Is there any thing I can help you with in this matter?

 

[notuptome]

Hey guys, I am taking time to read each of your comments. I have just been really busy lately with school. I have not forgotten about you! Then, I will reply back with a comment on yours! It's going to take some time, some of you have provided good verses and explanations! I will be getting baptized by water Sunday, that is why I am asking these questions! You guys are a great help!

That's great I hope your pastor is going to provide you with teaching relevant to this subject prior to your receiving water baptism.

Be sure to let us know how it went.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CEF]

There's a quite lengthy thread already about this topic-here

Do what the Berean Christians did in Acts 17 and confirm all things said with the Word of God, that is the most important advice I can give you!

"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11

Remember, only the blood of the Lamb can wash sins awa(yRev 1:5), not water baptism!

I totally agree with your scripture that you used Revelation 1:5, water cannot do anything for us but it is a symbol of our faith to God! Thanks for sharing! I have also read Acts 17 and will keep that in mind!

 

[CEF]

In Matthew 3:11, we read - I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Again, in Acts 1:5, we read - for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. *TWO SEPARATE BAPTISMS.

People can get confused by Ephesians 4:5, in which Paul mentioned ONE baptism, but Paul did not mean that there is only one baptism that exists such as water baptism but not Spirit baptism or Spirit baptism but not water baptism.

*There is only ONE baptism that places us into the body of Christ and that is SPIRIT baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37 for the word drink(s).

Notice that Cornelius and his household received the gift of the Holy Spirit in Acts 10:43-47 BEFORE they received water baptism AFTERWARDS in verse 48. *Notice in verse 47 - "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" *TWO SEPARATE BAPTISMS.

Referring back to the events that took place in Acts chapter 10, Peter stated in Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?" *This was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47).

I have been taking Ephesians 4:5 to mean that there is just ONE baptism either holy spirit baptism or water baptism, thanks for clearing that up. One thing I am not understanding though is I thought we were placed into the body of Christ not through spirit baptism but when we accepted Christ into our hearts. Don't we receive the Holy Spirit, when we accept Jesus into our hearts? Also, I have just read John 4:10, 14 and John 7:37 what is it meaning by thirsty? When do believer's receive the Holy Spirit? So, you get filled the Holy Spirit before water baptism?

 

[CEF]

I am not sure right now, but if there is I will definitely get back to you! I am going through everybody's comments right nowand examining it for myself, thanks for asking!

 

[CEF]

What are the seven baptisms mentioned in the Bible, and what do they mean?

I am sorry, but I am having a hard time believing that there are SEVEN baptisms!

 

[CEF]

Just as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one God, there is one baptism. Acts 2:38 says be baptized and you will receive the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Word, and the Word and the Spirit work together. Jesus says if you've seen Him you've seen the Father- They are all one. When you get baptized into Christ, you are in Christ and the Holy Spirit is in you. (Read John 17:21). Baptism of the Holy Spirit and water baptism is the same. Now you as a person are capable of many tasks, not just one task, right? Well in the same way, the Holy Spirit can enable some people to do different things, but everyone who has the Holy Spirit is marked for heaven.

Will I receive the Holy Spirit through water baptism? How do I know that I have the Holy Spirit?

 

[JesusIsAll]

I totally agree with your scripture that you used Revelation 1:5, water cannot do anything for us but it is a symbol of our faith to God! Thanks for sharing! I have also read Acts 17 and will keep that in mind!

I'd not get hung up on complicated disputings you see here. Water baptism is appropriate, a blessed sacrament and a great outward profession of our faith in Jesus Christ. Having repented and come to the Lord in faith of the gospel truth of scripture, to save and sanctify you, believing He will one day glorify you, thank the Lord Jesus for His grace, His great love and salvation, for giving you eternal life by His Spirit, and simply enjoy your baptism, with joyful uncomplication.

 

[Willie-T]

I am sorry, but I am having a hard time believing that there are SEVEN baptisms!

I'm with you. I think we can sometimes get carried away trying to "find" things in the Bible.

 

[CEF]

Full immersion water baptism- after someone has received eternal life, they can be immersed as a picture of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Babies getting christened doesnt' count... people getting 'sprinkled' doesn't count. Full immersion of saved believers.

Now.. in Acts you see the church at Jerusalem being empowered. This is the Holy Spirit coming as the Administrator of His churches.

Before this.. Jesus and His disciples were the first church. Jesus ascended later.. then sent His Holy Spirit to administer to His churches, starting with Jerusalem.

One form of baptism.. is for the individual. This is the full immersion in water baptism of saved believers.

The other happened to groups.. who became churches. Groups. Nothing to do with receiving eternal life.. nothing to do with immersion in water.

(Act 18:24) And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.


(Act 18:25) This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.


(Act 18:26) And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.


(Act 18:27) And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:


(Act 18:28) For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,


Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Here is already saved people.. who hadn't received the Holy Spirit.. how can that be?

That can only be if they were already indwelled by the Holy Spirit individually.. and hadn't received the Holy Spirit to be with them 'in the midst' as a church. --- Holy Spirit empowering a church 'Holy Spirit baptism'

Are you going to call believers called 'disciples' people who hadn't received Christ individually? Surely not!


Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

These people had been baptised by Apollos.. who didn't have the authority. It was as if Apollos was baptising in the name of John and not Jesus.


Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.


Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. - full immersion water baptism

Hey, can you show me scriptures of where in the Bible it talks about full immersion? I completely agree with you by the way, was Jesus not immersed by John? Baptism of repentance is that not water baptism? Who has the authority to baptize other beliver's?

 

[CEF]

This topic has been challenging me too, for I am yet to be baptized and I'm looking for the light

You and me both it seems like! I will be getting water baptized this Sunday so I am trying to go into it with full understanding! God Bless!

 

[CEF]

You can find a few thoughts Here on baptism in water, and Here you can find a few thoughts on the baptism in the Holy spirit...

QED!

Thanks! I will most definitely take a look at those links!