Losing Salvation

[valiant]

It's self-evident. They saw him rise from the dead. They believe it. They have come face to face with the authority that forgiveness of sins enabled. They believe it. They read about it the bible.

nothing is self evident. WHERE does it say so?

 

[valiant]

Good points, but remember, there is the law of Christ. Not conforming to it is lawlessness.

I will raise up to them a prophet of their brethren, like thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them as I shall command him. And whatever man shall not hearken to whatsoever words that prophet shall speak in my name, I will take vengeance on him. Deuteronomy 18:18-19​

you are mistaken as usual, EVERY Christian observes the law of Christ, but they do not OBTAIN salvation thereby

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

LOL it is the grace of God, in other words it is God acting in grace {unmerited love and compassion)

That is correct, but some think that grace is GOD and a law unto itself.

 

[PurerInHeart]

Let's get back on track - you CAN lose your salvation.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

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LO the brackets are your addition. Jesus never mentioned water baptism until after the resurrection

Maybe because when you're actively baptizing it doesn't need to be mentioned.

 

[valiant]

That is correct, but some think that grace is GOD and a law unto itself.

but the grace of God is God acting in grace, He is a law to Himself

 

[gb9]

no you cannot!! you can walk away from it, but not " lose it". typical Baptist / Pentecostal non-sense. you do not " perform" your way into the Kingdom, you BELIEVE your way in. belief leads to behavior, not the opposite.

 

[valiant]

Maybe because when you're actively baptizing it doesn't need to be mentioned.

you are making clear your assumptions, none based on Scripture, It figures,

Jesus never TOLD his disciples to baptise until the resurrection. They (but not He) until then only baptised with the baptism of J0HN and then before John was in prison,.

 

[notuptome]

Let's get back on track - you CAN lose your salvation.

Only if you got it from somewhere other than God.

Rom 3: For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 ¶ I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,


For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[MsSuzanna]

Let's get back on track - you CAN lose your salvation.

You first must be on the correct track young lady. I asked you what denom you are. Are you afraid to expose yourself by answering? Is it church of christ or one of their off shoots. You adhere to WORKS.It is HERESY. You have set yourself up for a great fall. You cheapen the name of Christ with your "add to" the gospel.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

but the grace of God is God acting in grace, He is a law to Himself

Yeah well that's what I'm saying. Pay attention.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

no you cannot!! you can walk away from it, but not " lose it". typical Baptist / Pentecostal non-sense. you do not " perform" your way into the Kingdom, you BELIEVE your way in. belief leads to behavior, not the opposite.

This is exactly what I'm saying.

 

[MsSuzanna]

I am so disgusted that the mods are allowing this WORKS false gospel to persist on this site! It is just as damaging as the RC doctrine. They boot catholic crud off and they should boot off all those that add to Christ' atonement. Makes ya wonder why they dont. hmmmm

 

[gb9]

This is exactly what I'm saying.

no it is not what you are saying. you and others say you are saved based on " behavior" (works) not by grace. you are saved first, then good works should follow. the works do not earn or maintain grace.

 

[valiant]

Yeah well that's what I'm saying. Pay attention.

you said, "That is correct, but some think that grace is GOD and a law unto itself." it is NOT the same AS SAYING ' but the grace of God is God acting in grace, He is a law to Himself'. GET YOURSELF SORTED OUT.

 

[Grace777x70]

This site allows people to teach damnable heresy unabated. The BDF has turned into an incessant bickering match between believers of grace and enemies of the cross who trample the blood of Christ. Baptismal regeneration is a lie straight from hell, and for CC to continue to allow this nonsense on the forum is to disobey Jude 1:3. To allow people to run around and cause discord and call believers of grace gnostic and lawless and all the names the devil has invented is despicable.

I can no longer be a part of this.

Lord bless and good bye.

Don't go brother..The Lord will sort all this out. The body of Christ needs brethren like you here.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

no it is not what you are saying. you and others say you are saved based on " behavior" (works) not by grace. you are saved first, then good works should follow. the works do not earn or maintain grace.

Rewind and go figure out what the conversation is about. You missed it.

 

[Grace777x70]

This site allows people to teach damnable heresy unabated. The BDF has turned into an incessant bickering match between believers of grace and enemies of the cross who trample the blood of Christ. Baptismal regeneration is a lie straight from hell, and for CC to continue to allow this nonsense on the forum is to disobey Jude 1:3. To allow people to run around and cause discord and call believers of grace gnostic and lawless and all the names the devil has invented is despicable.

I can no longer be a part of this.

Lord bless and good bye.

Don't go brother..The Lord will sort all this out. The body of Christ needs brethren like you here. If you go - the enemy wins.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Rewind and go figure out what the conversation is about. You missed it.

Oops sorry. I thought you were talking about Valiant's comment.

 

[valiant]

Let's get back on track - you CAN lose your salvation.

YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SALVATION, YOU CANNOT LOSE GOD'S SALVATION, EPH 2.8-9; TIT 3.4-7