Why Joseph Prince is a Cancerous Growth within God's People

[oldethennew]

Oh now THAT'S funny. What you're doing here is ANYTHING BUT reporting. You're OP title and text are TOTAL hit piece/editorializing!

I will give you this, though, I have seen articles that are far worse than the one you cited. They still get it wrong, though, and you continue with false accusations with zero proof.

reporting . . . Bwahahahahahah! You're a very funny lady!

-JGIG

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well JGIG,

you are at least 'spot-on' with your analysis of 'DEPLETED', in that she is such a HOOT and funny to BOOT...
I can 'bearly' say this with a straight face!!!lol, Lord forgive me!!!

 

[Depleted]

To my brothers and sisters in Christ. I truly love you. But I've had enough.
John3:13
13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother[c] abides in death.

So who is my brother and sister then? Here is Jesus' answer:

Matthew 12:48-50
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers!50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

So what does Jesus say is the Will of the Father?

Matthew 6:40
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Acts 9: 4-5 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.[a] It ishard for you to kick against the goads.”

So our brothers and sisters are ALL part of the body of Christ. JESUS makes NO distinction between Himself, and believers in Him.

So how is it possible we KEEP hurting one another!!! We are all of the same body in Jesus.

Maybe I just need a break for a good while. Thank you so much for letting me feel a part of your family. And I wish you all the blessings the Lord can shower on you!

Peace, Grace, and Love to you all, In Jesus precious Name!

1 Cor. 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyonewho bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
1 Cor. 6:1 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? 5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, 6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? 7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers!9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed,you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

We are to judge within the church.

 

[Depleted]

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-JGIG

I'm trying to wake up a sleeping giant. You betcha!

(Communications degree. I understand how to write.)

 

[JGIG]

I will not address the content of Grace's post to Grace because it's not his words and he tends to attack me for going off on the "OP" when he IS the OP. (He's not very good with accepting that if he uses someone else's words, he's supposed to believe them all too. Kind of prefers to play innocent like, "Why pick on me? I didn't say it?" Right along side of "What's wrong with you for daring to disagree?")

I will most assuredly take it on IF you say it and I can address you, with one huge caveat.

It may take weeks, possibly months, to do so. And that strictly because I'm over my head IRL and don't have a whole lot of time to play around on here anymore. So, if you want it done properly, let me take you on realizing it will take some time to do so, because I would have to do the homework, along with live my life, take care of hubby, and scootchies 1,001 other tasks I have to do before hubby comes home.

Acceptable?

So you come to a discussion forum to pontificate and not respond when engaged.

Got it.

Weeks or months to respond to one post about a topic YOU brought up? Really? WEEKS or MONTHS? My post just is not that long, Lynn. All the homework necessary is to refer to the Scriptures in context, yes? Besides, I thought you were an expert on the 'cancerous' Joseph Prince?

Hey, I'm cool with you bowing out to tend to real life - I do it all the time, being the mom of a child being treated for cancer. If you look at my total post count and my join date to CC, I'm not really here all that much. But when I feel led to address something, I follow through.

So bowing out to tend to real life = Acceptable.

Doing a hit piece OP, following up with inflammatory language and false accusations and then bowing out because you can't back them up: NOT Acceptable.

-JGIG

 

[Depleted]

Having been a believer for 43 years now, I've watched believers who have lived under different theological 'systems', from mainstream streams of faith to the aberrant.

Those who were being pointed to Christ, His Work, and who we are in Him usually have stability in their lives. When folks are being pointed to Christ, even if the theological paradigm they're a part of is imperfect, Christ tends to sort out the Truth and errors to which they hold.

If, however, the believer is more attached to their theology than to Christ Himself, folks get more wrapped up in ideology than in Christ and loving others.

-JGIG

And will follow a false teacher half a continent away to be used, abused, and tossed aside. Yes. I came into a church when it already happened. I saw the effects, and actually know some of the people still 36 years later.

They're stable now. They just gave up Christ to be that. I'm not preaching American Middle-Class Conservatism as a gospel either. How "stable" was Peter's life? Paul's? Stephen's? Want to take it to OT too? I can keep going. Life in Christ is about as stable as a three-day trip in the belly of a fish, or a few years running from a son, a king, Roman's, or people supposedly following God too. Please show this stabilizing effect in the Bible.

 

[crossnote]

We were posting at the same time .

And I do understand your position, I just disagree with where you end up, though I don't think that theologically we're as far apart as you think we are.

You wrote, "Those that are blind to the fact that we are both sinful and forgiven simultaneously are those same ones who have difficulty seeing that we both are forgiven and need to confess our ongoing sins as the Holy Spirit convicts us of them."​

If you really believe what you wrote above, why do you assert that a believer must, in the context of 1 John 1:9, confess their sins to be cleansed of all unrighteousness, if indeed they are simultaneously sinful AND forgiven? If a believer is already forgiven, why do you say they must confess and ask for forgiveness you say they already have?

If that's your position, then what you're really saying is that believers are both forgiven and UNforgiven simultaneously, not that they are sinful and forgiven simultaneously. And that cannot be, Scripturally. See my above post for why that presents big problems according to the Scriptures.

You also wrote, "The concept of 'BOTH' seems to be a hard concept to grasp and many twist their pet doctrine one direction.

"Jesus is BOTH fully God, fully man.

"We are BOTH risen, seated in the heavenlies yet have our being planted here on terra firma.

"God's Sovereignty includes BOTH God's will and man's choice.


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Agreed, and Scripture supports those concepts. But you depart from what Scripture clearly teaches here:

"We are BOTH forgiven and need of forgiveness."​

Scripture does not support that notion in any way. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness, so if the shedding of Christ's Blood at the Cross didn't provide complete forgiveness, and Scripture tells us that it did, for "He is able to save completely" (from Heb. 7:25), there IS NO MORE forgiveness available - EVER - because there is no more sacrifice for sin (Heb. 10:26).

Please take a few minutes to read through what I wrote above.

Ask yourself the questions about what Scripture has to say about the forgiveness of sins - how it was achieved and if - according to Scripture - it is possible to be both forgiven and unforgiven at the same time.

-JGIG

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet went to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy on me, O God, according to your steadfast love; according to your abundant mercy blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin! For I know my transgressions, and my sin is ever before me. Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight, so that you may be justified in your words and blameless in your judgment.
(Psa 51:1-4)

 

[crossnote]

I believe, that's not how scripture reveals all the things you wrote.
Most of what you said, I believe is true.
But we are not both sinful and forgiven.
Sin may be in us through the old man, but we are not sinners when we are in the grace of God.
When you sin, you fall from grace and into condemnation, for you are no longer free from the law of sin. You are free from the law of death through the atoning blood of Jesus, but not of sin. The reason why I say that is because, in order for one to be without condemnation from the consequences of sin, one must walk after or be lead by the Spirit. And when you fall into sin, you are no longer walking after nor being lead by the Spirit of God. And because of the sin which caused you to fall from God's grace, God's protection was removed in some part of your life.
What is the law of sin, and what are it's consequences?
I suppose to answer that question, I could answer it with another question. That being, what is the law of life in Christ Jesus and it's consequences?
Sin causes sickness and judgements in the natural, to both the believer and nonbeliever, because it is written, God is a respecter of no person. That means and includes you, the believer.
When we confess our sins, we are forgiven of our sins and cleansed of ALL unrighteousness and therefore are made righteous before God again, and restored to fellowship, through the blood of Christ. We are NOT automatically forgiven and cleansed of our sins by the blood of Christ just because we are the children of God. Hence the reason for repenting and confessing our sins.
We don't lose our salvation because we have sinned, but there are still consequences in the natural that God has to fulfill because of the law of sowing and reaping. Again it is written, whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. That was written to the church. Which means it includes the believer who sins.

You could of at least used a Scripture to show me what you believed.

 

[JGIG]

Having been a believer for 43 years now, I've watched believers who have lived under different theological 'systems', from mainstream streams of faith to the aberrant.

Those who were being pointed to Christ, His Work, and who we are in Him usually have stability in their lives. When folks are being pointed to Christ, even if the theological paradigm they're a part of is imperfect, Christ tends to sort out the Truth and errors to which they hold.

If, however, the believer is more attached to their theology than to Christ Himself, folks get more wrapped up in ideology than in Christ and loving others.

-JGIG

And will follow a false teacher half a continent away to be used, abused, and tossed aside. Yes. I came into a church when it already happened. I saw the effects, and actually know some of the people still 36 years later.

They're stable now. They just gave up Christ to be that. I'm not preaching American Middle-Class Conservatism as a gospel either. How "stable" was Peter's life? Paul's? Stephen's? Want to take it to OT too? I can keep going. Life in Christ is about as stable as a three-day trip in the belly of a fish, or a few years running from a son, a king, Roman's, or people supposedly following God too. Please show this stabilizing effect in the Bible.

Peter, Paul, and Stephen all had tremendous theological stability in their lives, and that's what I meant. Somehow I think you know that, but jumped on the verbiage seeing an opportunity to further your agenda. The context of my statement was perfectly clear, and you know it.

But you go ahead and carry on with your 'gotcha' posts while claiming that you don't have time to answer substantive posts. I'm sure no one notices .

I think I'll go make pancakes now.

Toodles,
-JGIG

 

[ladylynn]

Thank you JGIG for the time you take in finding out the context of things said in videos as well as on these threads by different people. I so appreciate that about you and Grace777. The added links that go the extra mile to show the rest of what was said. (that is so needed today)

At first I thought this thread would be a horrible disaster, but instead it's an opportunity to lovingly get the truth out even in the face of where each of us is living. There does have to be a boldness and a confidence in Christ when dealing with such subjects.

Each of us who come to and post on these forums on CC have our own issues we are going through. It does take someone like you who has been through the questions of God's faithfulness in relation to what would seem to be a contradiction when healing doesn't happen right away for instance.

You have successfully been coming to the other side not bitter at God's having you and your family wait for complete healing. And instead you and your family are still trusting His love for you and are a testimony of the grace of God in Christ. I value your opinion about your experiences as well as your hard learned lessons of what love really means in Christ. (((((hugs)))))) from a grateful sister.

 

[JGIG]

Thank you, Lynn, you are a joy and an encouragement here to me, as well!

(((((HUGS))))) back at ya!

Much love in Christ,
-JGIG

 

[oldethennew]

JGIG,

you seem to be a nester/interpreter in what others are saying and doing in their
hearts and minds,,this would be a gift that all of us would surely cherish if we
were so gifted...

if only our Father would gift each of us this gift, then maybe we would all be able to
identify and sympathize and benefit our brothers and sisters in Christ, for our motives
would or could only be honorable...

 

[Depleted]

A lack of faith is only part of the problem.
Another problem is a lack of repentance and confession of their sin.
In most cases, the sickness is a result of the person's sin or that of their parents or spouse.
The fact is, God shows throughout scripture that He punishes, chastens, rebukes, judges, and the like, BECAUSE of sin, not because of their sinlessness.
The whole reason why Jesus suffered the punishment of the cross is because He became our scapegoat, and took upon Himself our sins in His own body, becoming sin or was made to be sin.
Until then, God could not have caused Jesus to suffer the punishment of the cross, according to His word.
How did John prepare the way for the Lord?
Wasn't it by getting the people to repent of their sins?
And doesn't sin blind the heart of men?
And isn't it sin or a condition of the heart, that causes most sicknesses? According to scripture it is.
Those who humbled themselves, repented, and confessed their sins, were the ones who could believe and receive their healing and deliverance.
Those who did not repent, whose hearts remained hardened, could not see or believe, nor would they repent of their sins so that they might get their healing.
The two main ingredients to getting ones healing is, repentance with confession of their sins, and to apply the faith of God towards their healing. For all the promises in Christ are yeah and amen.
Probably, the biggest hindrance to receiving their healing is that they don't really believe that it was done when they prayed or asked for it to be done.
And one of the reasons why they would think that, is because it didn't happen when they thought is should.
Another reason is because most tend to look to the natural to let them know when or that they received their healing or they couldn't believe it was done until they felt, saw, or experienced it.
The fact is, most don't know what faith is or how it works, and through their ignorance and refusal of the knowledge of God's truths, sadly, they are destroyed.

Once again, "God can't help it?" Or "It's all your (or your parents") fault." Pretty much what I have against Modern Christianity. It's all Man's effort and fault.

Here's something sure to confuse you. God has healed me. God has not healed me. I got both. Now what?

 

[Depleted]

So you're basically saying that only those in the reformation and you have correct theology.

Somehow I don't think that's possible.

I also think that you're projecting a bad experience with another church onto anyone who preaches from a perspective different from Reformed Theology. You do realize that Reformed Theology is but one of many theological templates which attempt to explain Scripture, yes? And that Reformed Theology is fallible, as it is a construct of man?

-JGIG

I think you have bad comprehension skills if you got that out of what I said.

 

[ember]

Peter, Paul, and Stephen all had tremendous theological stability in their lives, and that's what I meant. Somehow I think you know that, but jumped on the verbiage seeing an opportunity to further your agenda. The context of my statement was perfectly clear, and you know it.

But you go ahead and carry on with your 'gotcha' posts while claiming that you don't have time to answer substantive posts. I'm sure no one notices .

I think I'll go make pancakes now.

Toodles,
-JGIG

just want to respond to the above...nothing to do with the op

indeed those men had the stability I think many of us realize is the core of our life in Christ and if we do not have that already, we want it or want to know more about it because who wants to be tossed to and fro on every wind of doctrine?

if we examine Jonah we find he was in the inards of some giant species of fish because he was DISOBEDIENT...he was not there on the whimsy of a capricious god

if we examine David, we find that he not only committed adultery, but murder by proxy as well and as a result, God told him through the prophet, Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife

and so on

we should not find ourselves by surprise anywhere and neither did these men in the Bible

It is a fallacious understanding of scripture that would somehow create in one's mind a god that allowed events to occur just for the sake of the events

I also appreciate your responses in this thread and the time you took to post them

 

[Depleted]

Oh now THAT'S funny. What you're doing here is ANYTHING BUT reporting. You're OP title and text are TOTAL hit piece/editorializing!

I will give you this, though, I have seen articles that are far worse than the one you cited. They still get it wrong, though, and you continue with false accusations with zero proof.

reporting . . . Bwahahahahahah! You're a very funny lady!

-JGIG

Again, I'm beginning to doubt your comprehension skills. The link was "report." My post was "editorial."

And understand this too, I've seen some pretty ridiculous "articles" about Prince too. And then there is the YouTube junk where you spin two minutes of a one-hour interview to make it say what you want it to. And, if that's not enough, let's say "he's too rich," as if money is evil. Amatuer hour. And I will have none of that, but here you go accusing me of just that!

Is this it? You're whole strategy? Play around like you can't possibly believe anything I say strictly because you keep misinterpreting? I CAN write. Can you read with understanding?

 

[crossnote]

just want to respond to the above...nothing to do with the op

indeed those men had the stability I think many of us realize is the core of our life in Christ and if we do not have that already, we want it or want to know more about it because who wants to be tossed to and fro on every wind of doctrine?

if we examine Jonah we find he was in the inards of some giant species of fish because he was DISOBEDIENT...he was not there on the whimsy of a capricious god

if we examine David, we find that he not only committed adultery, but murder by proxy as well and as a result, God told him through the prophet, Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife

and so on

we should not find ourselves by surprise anywhere and neither did these men in the Bible

It is a fallacious understanding of scripture that would somehow create in one's mind a god that allowed events to occur just for the sake of the events

I also appreciate your responses in this thread and the time you took to post them

And Joseph? (not Prince) hated by his brothers, thrown in a pit, falsely accused by a wife, thrown into prison, forgotten 7 extra years...not disobedient...but yes God allowed the events for His purpose.

 

[HisHolly]

Its one thing to warn if the Holy Spirit has told you to, it's another to " believe" you are right.. There is a way that seems right but does what??? Damage done to the body carries a high price.. Ud be wise to tremble instead of walking in stupidity

 

[ember]

And Joseph? (not Prince) hated by his brothers, thrown in a pit, falsely accused by a wife, thrown into prison, forgotten 7 extra years...not disobedient...but yes God allowed the events for His purpose.

yes exactly...thanks

we do not know what God knows and if we are sincere in giving ourselves to Him for HIS purposes, well we most likely can chuck some of our dreams out the window ... we are not responsible for the actions of others nor can we live in some kind of dreamscape where the actions of others have no ability to touch us in any way

we forget He is fair to everyone and that means that sometimes we get hurt...but again, we need to talk that out with Him...not blame others

 

[Depleted]

So you come to a discussion forum to pontificate and not respond when engaged.

Got it.

Weeks or months to respond to one post about a topic YOU brought up? Really? WEEKS or MONTHS? My post just is not that long, Lynn. All the homework necessary is to refer to the Scriptures in context, yes? Besides, I thought you were an expert on the 'cancerous' Joseph Prince?

Hey, I'm cool with you bowing out to tend to real life - I do it all the time, being the mom of a child being treated for cancer. If you look at my total post count and my join date to CC, I'm not really here all that much. But when I feel led to address something, I follow through.

So bowing out to tend to real life = Acceptable.

Doing a hit piece OP, following up with inflammatory language and false accusations and then bowing out because you can't back them up: NOT Acceptable.

-JGIG

Never mind. You do what Grace does -- hit and runs.

I'm so very sorry my husband had a massive heart attack SIX months ago, so now I'm fully in charge of the house, my usual chores, getting the sidewalk fixed because we were sued the same day he was transferred from one ICU to another, have to keep buying him clothes because he lost 90 pounds, but couldn't stand up to measure what size he was now, have to figure out a way of getting him dentures, since they took out all of his teeth, learned how to clear out a cleanout before I found out I didn't have to learn it, thought I was kind of finally caught up this week so I can finally have time to deal with my goiter, but, lo and behold, he DARES to go back into the ICU AGAIN for a freaking hemorrhoid, and all this, I'm so sure you find so very tiring because it doesn't go along with your play time and you're own long winded pontifications along with intentionally misunderstanding every single thing I've said to toot your own horn!

Yeah! I'll be sure to tell him how annoying our life is for you and how dare I let people know that a full crew of people come on to this site to fight over a false teacher!

Gotcha! So glad we got that ironed out. Sure makes me know not to take on several hours of work for DARING to do exactly what you never wanted me to so -- the homework that shows me IF your out-of-context "scripture" means what you say it means.

I may be naive, but I'm not half as stupid as you think I am. Nor a quarter as sanctimonious as you. I was actually going to put in the effort to give you a full answer only to find out you didn't listen from the get-go, so why bother?

Ask OldHermit. Took me ten days to answer him back when I had a normal life simply because he was willing to wait. Apparently, you're just too important for even that!

 

[ember]

CROSSNOTE

and one more thing...He does work out all things for the good of those who are His

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Romans 8:28

you don't get a better example of that then Joseph's life IMO

God is developing our character in spite of ourselves...someone said the only problem with a living sacrifice is that it keeps crawling off the altar..

God's purpose is to refine us into the image of His Son...He calls us His children...well, some of us are still in the brat stage and all of us are still being refined

disclaimer: not referring to anyone in particular re the brat stage...but you know, take that as you will