WOF is Heresy & Should be Avoided at all Costs!

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just be careful, not everything said or done in His name has His stamp of approval...

8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.1 (Lk. 21:8 KJV)
Yes I know. Once went to a weird service. That was New Age. And I don't speak mercedeses into existance. Just use your common sense. I made mistakes. When my ex's dad was dying from cancer and everyone was arranging the funeral I took that text from Paul and Publius. Fill in the name. The common sense of my ex got rid of that LOL. You can't just use any text.
That's one thing I've learned. If it's their time, unless you're Smith Wigglesworth, not much you can do about it.
 
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Thanks for that link.I took the time to read it, and now I see how dangerous this hypergrace movement is!

Besides quoting part of a verse out of context (Romans 2:4b), quoting Watchman Nee, a heretic; and using false or twisted definitions for repentance (copied off an internet site with mistakes), the author has completely lost sight of the gospel.

What did Jesus come to save us from?

"But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” Matt 1:20-21

Jesus did not come to the earth, minister to people and die on the cross just so people could "change their minds."

In fact, I am going to do a bit more study on repentance, and post it later. Because it is a total lie, according to Bauer (BAGD) that metanoia or metanoeo means "change of mind." That is never a use for repentance in the Bible. (Although it is translated that way in some early Christian llterature it is never used that way in the Bible.)

And certainly, there is a point concerning repentance meaning "turning about" but, in fact, it is more often "turning away."

The entire narrative of the Bible, from the Fall in Genesis 3, through to the coming of Jesus, is deliverance from sin! And yes, when we turn away from sin, we also turn to Christ. But that link totally misses this, and in fact repeatedly condemns "preachers" who somehow mix grace and law, But if we do not understand law, then what motive do we have to repent? I do believe God gives us the grace through faith to repent. But if we don't repent, and side step repentance, have we really received the grace of God, and are we truly saved?

This website misses the point of grace. It misses the fact that God had grace in the Old Testament, because he is the same God, yesterday, today and forever! And God did establish the law for a reason - to help his people live better - to give them boundaries and rules which the capricious gods of the surrounding cultures never had. (Instead these gods never told people how to live, or what they did wrong - but just keep the sacrifices coming!)

Further, the link in that article to Bible Hub shows Bible hub is in fact slightly wrong, which makes a HUGE difference in understanding the meaning of the word. In fact, in BAGD, the Lexicon that scholars use, the passages where "metanoia"is found in the Bible do not start after "change of mind." In fact, there is not one Bible passage found after that definition. Instead, the references start after the definition:

"repentance, turning about, conversion; as in turning away."

So is Bible Hub at the root of some of this bad theology for slipping up where it put the definitions with respect to the Bible versus early church literature? And, does this mean that some of these early church writers were influenced by gnostics, who were only concerned with the mind, and not the body? (Just asking rhetorically right now!)

Anyway, I will try and do a separate post on this. I want people to understand what an untruth it is that repentance only means "turn to God," when in fact, the historical and Biblical meaning in the Greek is "to turn away from sin."
You called Watchman Nee a heretic.

What specifically are you referring to.

I have read many of his books. Like him a lot.
 
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Yes I know. Once went to a weird service. That was New Age. And I don't speak mercedeses into existance. Just use your common sense. I made mistakes. When my ex's dad was dying from cancer and everyone was arranging the funeral I took that text from Paul and Publius. Fill in the name. The common sense of my ex got rid of that LOL. You can't just use any text.
That's one thing I've learned. If it's their time, unless you're Smith Wigglesworth, not much you can do about it.
Hagan addressed the error of his followers in his book "faith foolishness and presumption"

I wonder what percentage of heresy hunters are cessationists? 100%?
 
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Yes I know. Once went to a weird service. That was New Age. And I don't speak mercedeses into existance. Just use your common sense. I made mistakes. When my ex's dad was dying from cancer and everyone was arranging the funeral I took that text from Paul and Publius. Fill in the name. The common sense of my ex got rid of that LOL. You can't just use any text.
That's one thing I've learned. If it's their time, unless you're Smith Wigglesworth, not much you can do about it.
In several cases,Wigglesworth cleared the room,and prayed all night.

The healing/dead raising dynamic has many requirements on a believer.

It is a mantle. There are 3 levels of anointing.

When Jesus told his disciples "...this kind commeth out by prayer and fasting..."

He was saying,"if you want my mantle,do what I do"
 
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What do heresy hunters do about Hank Hannegrafs error?

The plagiarism and embezzlement?

Oh,wait,he is a heresy hunter.

Never mind
 

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May be that some things found in a "trash can" reserved for kindling, should be used for such. New and revised does not mean improved. I'm not a teacher or a preacher, I'm just looking for the truth, and along the way mark those who consistently distort the truth as being dangerous. ..especially when they've been trained in it.

Sorry Stephen63 for going off topic, tho it does make sense to me these things are related.
just a side note... the words to which you were referring are found in both my NASB and my ESV.

they're in verse 4 :)
 
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What do heresy hunters do about Hank Hannegrafs error?

The plagiarism and embezzlement?

Oh,wait,he is a heresy hunter.

Never mind
He's Dutch. I remember him. The first heresy hunter I heard about. I was on a Dutch reformed forum. Oh my, even Bonnke was bad. Yes they said, that one isn't good, that one isn't good, actually noone was good, except their reformed preachers. Why? Oh they read that on a heresy hunt site LOL.
 
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Got a news flash for the heretic obsessed crowd.

Jesus ain't in ya'lls deal.

Oh,how so?

Because,when you guys discover some suppose chink in the armor,you murder that man of God with your "ammunition"

Even gross sin,when encountered by Paul,he told them "admonish him as a brother,but have nothing to do with him"

I have favorite cessationists teachers,bit disagree on their teachings about the HS,and gifts.

I don't hate on them,for their heresy on 1cor 13,I just turn off the radio.

When you find an error on a good teacher,a cessationist, what is that protocol?
 
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What do heresy hunters do about Hank Hannegrafs error?

The plagiarism and embezzlement?

Oh,wait,he is a heresy hunter.

Never mind
Hannegraf has his issues, but his doctrine is solid. I used to listen to him regularly on the car radio and could find very little wrong with what he teaches.
 
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Hannegraf has his issues, but his doctrine is solid. I used to listen to him regularly on the car radio and could find very little wrong with what he teaches.
Cessationist DO TWIST VERSES.

I can quite handily defend the gifts,tongues,miracles,as valid today.

So,there is a blatant pass being given those cessationists

They are,under y'all's deal,and stoning's,heretics
 
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Got a news flash for the heretic obsessed crowd.

Jesus ain't in ya'lls deal.

Oh,how so?

Because,when you guys discover some suppose chink in the armor,you murder that man of God with your "ammunition"

Even gross sin,when encountered by Paul,he told them "admonish him as a brother,but have nothing to do with him"

I have favorite cessationists teachers,bit disagree on their teachings about the HS,and gifts.

I don't hate on them,for their heresy on 1cor 13,I just turn off the radio.

When you find an error on a good teacher,a cessationist, what is that protocol?
This is so true. What if people started to put up videos maligning beloved men/women of God that Jesus bled and died for like John McArthur - just because he doesn't believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit like other believers do? What Christian walking in love and with the Lord would even consider doing something like that?

We could use our "Christian" righteous anger to say that McArthur is spreading the most vile kind of heresy and is in fact a wolf. We could show a video with a snake wrapped around him for "special effects" to further show the "truth" of his apostasy and how he is leading so many others down the wrong path.

Nobody should slander and be so malice-filled toward McArthur to do such a thing to a person that the Lord has saved and loved. ( bit sadly there are websites dedicated to McArthur )

There are actually WEBSITES dedicated to showing that the apostle Paul was a heretic too because he "conflicted" with Jesus' words.
 
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Cessationist DO TWIST VERSES.

I can quite handily defend the gifts,tongues,miracles,as valid today.

So,there is a blatant pass being given those cessationists

They are,under y'all's deal,and stoning's,heretics
Whatever. So do non-cessationists. I can defend prophecy because I've witnessed it, but I couldn't care less about tongues, or what people think about it (even though I supposedly did it at one time). It's such a non-essential issue.
 
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Look at all the stuff Dave Wilkerson prophesied and did not happen.

STONE THE FALSE FAKE PROPHET!

BLACK BALL HIM INTO OBLIVION!!!

QUICK,WARN THE THOUSANDS OF FOLLOWERS!!!
 

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Stephen, i heard RC Sproul talking about WOF.

he said (my paraphrase), "if a man is blind and you tell him to 'confess' over and over, "I can see"...

that's not faith, that's magic."

still, God does most certainly heal now. it's just that i think we ought to give Him the right to heal those He wishes to, and not heal at other times. He's the King, a good and faithful Father, and He knows best.

sometimes, when we pray, God's answer is no. we have to accept that, too, as coming from the One who loves us.
 
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He's partial. That's all the more reason to like him. Now that I think back, that's one of the things I did like about him.
All that hate oozing out of him is not a red flag?

The man is on the verge of loosing his very soul
 
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Stephen, i heard RC Sproul talking about WOF.

he said (my paraphrase), "if a man is blind and you tell him to 'confess' over and over, "I can see"...

that's not faith, that's magic."

still, God does most certainly heal now. it's just that i think we ought to give Him the right to heal those He wishes to, and not heal at other times. He's the King, a good and faithful Father, and He knows best.

sometimes, when we pray, God's answer is no. we have to accept that, too, as coming from the One who loves us.
That's not magic. It's speaking the truth, what His Word says. By His stripes I am healed. I did that for a year until I believed it. Then went for prayer and my shoulder was totally healed.
 
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Stephen, i heard RC Sproul talking about WOF.

he said (my paraphrase), "if a man is blind and you tell him to 'confess' over and over, "I can see"...

that's not faith, that's magic."

still, God does most certainly heal now. it's just that i think we ought to give Him the right to heal those He wishes to, and not heal at other times. He's the King, a good and faithful Father, and He knows best.

sometimes, when we pray, God's answer is no. we have to accept that, too, as coming from the One who loves us.
Bingo

The fruit of the attack.

Even the verses they use are bad
 
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