The Holy Spirit convicts of sin
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Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
If you are making a criminal accusation, please show me what you mean, actual logical facts.
Now a slander is to say someone is evil when they are actually good, on the basis of a fact or idea that is not true or invented.
Muslims regard slander as just bringing the reputation of someone down, where true or false.
If it is a concept, or words that could be interpreted different ways, it is not slander to interpret the way the listener or receiver chooses. It may not be what they like, but if it is a valid interpretation it is not slander.
Now to bring a false slander is actually to slander the person you are accusing of the crime. So the risk is you are wrong.
I do not believe I have slandered anyone, even you. Though once you said being called a calvanist was slander.
It turned out in my understanding of calvanism you came across that way, but in fact out of the 5 beliefs you held 2 while I held 3. Now this is the level of slander in your dictionary, so I wonder if you are a little over sensitive.
I did feel bad about calling you a calvanist and did apologise. Funnily it forced me to look at the beliefs deeper and appreciate better where I stood. I am sure this exercise would also be encouraging and show me more, so please lead on.
Now a slander is to say someone is evil when they are actually good, on the basis of a fact or idea that is not true or invented.
Muslims regard slander as just bringing the reputation of someone down, where true or false.
If it is a concept, or words that could be interpreted different ways, it is not slander to interpret the way the listener or receiver chooses. It may not be what they like, but if it is a valid interpretation it is not slander.
Now to bring a false slander is actually to slander the person you are accusing of the crime. So the risk is you are wrong.
I do not believe I have slandered anyone, even you. Though once you said being called a calvanist was slander.
It turned out in my understanding of calvanism you came across that way, but in fact out of the 5 beliefs you held 2 while I held 3. Now this is the level of slander in your dictionary, so I wonder if you are a little over sensitive.
I did feel bad about calling you a calvanist and did apologise. Funnily it forced me to look at the beliefs deeper and appreciate better where I stood. I am sure this exercise would also be encouraging and show me more, so please lead on.
The devil is laughing and quite pleased with the behavior of BOTH sides here.
STOP acting like peterjens is not our brother.
And peterjens, stop acting like EG is not your brother.
Our Lord died for both of you and both of you have received the same Spirit.
Stop insisting thata person cannot be inan y error or they are "them" and we are "us," and that only one of the two can possibly be in Christ.
Is either "side" in no error? Does either "side" have perfectkno wledge? Can our Lord teach only one side where they are in error?
if you insist on going on in this manner, thinking of each other as evil enemies when in actuality, you are ina greement but can't SEE it because NEITHER of you is actually listening to or hearing the other, then bless your enemies. Why not bless them?
How is it possible that I see andund erstand what both of you ares aying and the particular emphases you are bringing to the forefront and yet neither of you can?? What kind of odd blindness is this...?
I refuse to pick a side, not because i am wishy washy, but because I am able somehow to SEE something that neither of youis seeing. But of course neither of you will believe that. You willp robably both believe that I also am not either of yours sister.
YOU are both mistaken if you think our Lord approves of the behavior of either of you right now.
neither of you is crazyand each of you brings an emphases in truthto the forefront - one particular aspect of a whole - and yet you refuse to see the other aspect being brought to the forefront. But of course neither of you will consider that maybe I am seeing something you aren't.
As it stands right now, satan is devouring both of you and you are devouring each other. I don't know how to help either of you when you insisto n this behavior. How easy it must be to simply reject each other as not being in Christ rather than to walk in love. Bothof you are clanging gongs right now. Our Lord does not approve the behavior of either ofy ou.
STOP acting like peterjens is not our brother.
And peterjens, stop acting like EG is not your brother.
Our Lord died for both of you and both of you have received the same Spirit.
Stop insisting thata person cannot be inan y error or they are "them" and we are "us," and that only one of the two can possibly be in Christ.
Is either "side" in no error? Does either "side" have perfectkno wledge? Can our Lord teach only one side where they are in error?
if you insist on going on in this manner, thinking of each other as evil enemies when in actuality, you are ina greement but can't SEE it because NEITHER of you is actually listening to or hearing the other, then bless your enemies. Why not bless them?
How is it possible that I see andund erstand what both of you ares aying and the particular emphases you are bringing to the forefront and yet neither of you can?? What kind of odd blindness is this...?
I refuse to pick a side, not because i am wishy washy, but because I am able somehow to SEE something that neither of youis seeing. But of course neither of you will believe that. You willp robably both believe that I also am not either of yours sister.
YOU are both mistaken if you think our Lord approves of the behavior of either of you right now.
neither of you is crazyand each of you brings an emphases in truthto the forefront - one particular aspect of a whole - and yet you refuse to see the other aspect being brought to the forefront. But of course neither of you will consider that maybe I am seeing something you aren't.
As it stands right now, satan is devouring both of you and you are devouring each other. I don't know how to help either of you when you insisto n this behavior. How easy it must be to simply reject each other as not being in Christ rather than to walk in love. Bothof you are clanging gongs right now. Our Lord does not approve the behavior of either ofy ou.
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Yes I am Peter. and I have proved it so many times I have lost count.
Why do you think I come at you the way I do..
You want proof? All we have to do is look the law comment, I said no one can obey the law. You said I was wrong, they can,
When I tried to point out to you, I meant the law as in every word (sinless) you said again wrong, and wrongfully accusing you, of slander, when I more than adequately proved my point.
bearing false witness is saying someone said or did something they never said or did. You have done that so many times I have lost count.
I can show you grace and we can start new, Like I thought we almost did with one post today.
But as long as you continue to bear false witness, and refuse to admit your doing it,.. There can be no resolution.
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I do not know if peter is my brother or not..
But sin needs to be confronted, we can not continue to let a brother continue in sin,,
If we love them as scripture says, we show them the way out.. to a better life. and sometimesd that hurts,, But it is better to heal, then to allow to continue to go on
But sin needs to be confronted, we can not continue to let a brother continue in sin,,
If we love them as scripture says, we show them the way out.. to a better life. and sometimesd that hurts,, But it is better to heal, then to allow to continue to go on
If someone needs a Valium then its you. Perhaps put a Lyrica with it to get you back on the ground from the cloud of self exhortation.
Matthew 23:12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Perhaps also look what Jesus thinks of Judgmental people in Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
Matthew 23:12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Perhaps also look what Jesus thinks of Judgmental people in Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
As I have said this is not slander. This is interpretation of words.
According to your standard perfection in everything taking the sermon on the mount no one can obey the law.
According to what the law actually is as defined by Paul, they can and he did.
So did Peter.
So this whole argument is based upon interpretation. This is why I give up on you, you want to take things to extremes and make me guilty of something. You say we can never walk in righteousness because your standard is hyper-legalism.
I say you can walk in righteousness because my standard is that of the apostles.
I am sorry if this is your example of slander. It is an odd slander, which is actually defining our positions from each point of view.
But that sums you up, you do not like I disagree with you. You even used to deny we had similar beliefs, which you now admit are close. So I cannot make you out at all. Is it because I dare to say I am saved and not following OSAS?
According to your standard perfection in everything taking the sermon on the mount no one can obey the law.
According to what the law actually is as defined by Paul, they can and he did.
So did Peter.
So this whole argument is based upon interpretation. This is why I give up on you, you want to take things to extremes and make me guilty of something. You say we can never walk in righteousness because your standard is hyper-legalism.
I say you can walk in righteousness because my standard is that of the apostles.
I am sorry if this is your example of slander. It is an odd slander, which is actually defining our positions from each point of view.
But that sums you up, you do not like I disagree with you. You even used to deny we had similar beliefs, which you now admit are close. So I cannot make you out at all. Is it because I dare to say I am saved and not following OSAS?
All through this time I have been 100% consistent.
Please tell how to react to a "christian" who calls me evil, unsaved, a legalist, needing to repent and experience Christ for the first time, and over 8+ months always provokes these rediculous exchanges and accuses me of knowing nothing, when simply that is not true.
I am a criminal of slander by defining positions of faith. It is a crime to say what a certain belief means or how it is interpreted. And I am told I am a liar. Sentence after sentence when as far as my use of language is concerned it is just descriptive of what I see, hear and believe. Please guys get a grip. Nothing is literally happening.
And the issues are a few definitions. This is just mental illness at work. If you have never seen it, this is it.
There are lots of crazies everywhere, but they often show up in christian forums.
Sometimes it is a trick to flip people out, but I simply do not flip, been exposed to it too many times.
So just ignore it, it does not make a difference to me or you or anyone else, because there is no real content.
And that is always the key sign. "He said you were a believer!!! No. You think God saved you!!! What????"
This is when there is a break between emotions and content, the emotions go flying off, while nothing happens down on earth. Get the picture. So God bless you all, I am sure EG will one day get over it.
Please tell how to react to a "christian" who calls me evil, unsaved, a legalist, needing to repent and experience Christ for the first time, and over 8+ months always provokes these rediculous exchanges and accuses me of knowing nothing, when simply that is not true.
I am a criminal of slander by defining positions of faith. It is a crime to say what a certain belief means or how it is interpreted. And I am told I am a liar. Sentence after sentence when as far as my use of language is concerned it is just descriptive of what I see, hear and believe. Please guys get a grip. Nothing is literally happening.
And the issues are a few definitions. This is just mental illness at work. If you have never seen it, this is it.
There are lots of crazies everywhere, but they often show up in christian forums.
Sometimes it is a trick to flip people out, but I simply do not flip, been exposed to it too many times.
So just ignore it, it does not make a difference to me or you or anyone else, because there is no real content.
And that is always the key sign. "He said you were a believer!!! No. You think God saved you!!! What????"
This is when there is a break between emotions and content, the emotions go flying off, while nothing happens down on earth. Get the picture. So God bless you all, I am sure EG will one day get over it.
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So your God? You get to tell me and other people what they are saying is what they actually believe or not?
wow Peter, you have stooped to an all time low.
What? What are you rambling about? I did not mention anything about the sermon on the mount..
Oh so paul was sinless?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
So it seems like paul also cursed himself. Did he realy?
here is MY CONTEXT of what the law is Peter.. Can you see.. just for a minute, where I get my interpretation?
Paul does not stop here. he goes on.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture confined everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
So are you going to tell me, the law, who has condemned everyone, all of a sudden can make a person righteous?
See what happens when you twist peoples words. or distort what they are actually saying.. You make it so you are unable to understand what they are saying.
lol. If you would understand MY interpretation, and stop calling me a liar. there would be no argument, now would there?
No, You can't talk with me, because you THINK YOUR RIGHT and I am wrong, and you THINK I believe something I never stated I believed.
See you did it again, You just judged me, and did not take my context into consideration at all.. you did the same thing you did when you said I need valium, and commited a sin of sins, by judging someone, [proving you have no desire to understand what he or she believes..
because it does not matter to you want ANYONE else thinks, the only thing that matters to you is what Peter Jenz thinks..
I say we can never WALK (in the flesh) In righteousness, Because the law will always condemn us, Because as paul said, whoever does not continue in ALL things written in the law are under a curse.
Your argument is with Paul. Not EG, Not against Hyper-grace, Not against anyone but paul himself.
Well that would be fine, if we we are talking about that, But we are not now are we? we are talking about what EG means when he says we can not walk in righteousness.
You wanted to prove you were right, and not slandering, And you failed.. And you still bore false witness. Not because of interpretation. But because you judge me based on what you THINK I AM SAYING and not what I ACTUALLY SAID.
What you think does not matter, A sin is a sin, Stop trying to excuse it..
I think it has been firmly established today I could care less if you disagree with me or anyone else or not.
What the issue is you continually telling people what they believe, and them slamming them and telling them things like they need to take a valium when they try to show you they you are misunderstanding what they are saying, and kindly asking you to please understand them
Actually I have always maintained our believes are so close, yet so far.. But that's beside the point, again you are trying to take the blame of you and put it on someone else. That's called excusing ones sin
I can't judge your salvation.
Just call you out for your continued sin. Which I will continue to do every time you utter that someone, anyone, believes something they have never stated they believe, .. until you repent, or someone finally does something about it who has power.
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Budman - When someone goes ape on me over nothing they have issues.
Not quite sure how this means my true side is coming out, just an observation.
I understand why more sensitive types do not like to share, because bullies come along and if they do not like what you have written say you have an evil spirit, are unsaved, know nothing, insult and slander everyone.
But hay, you think I am bad, just wait till the babylonians arrive.
Not quite sure how this means my true side is coming out, just an observation.
I understand why more sensitive types do not like to share, because bullies come along and if they do not like what you have written say you have an evil spirit, are unsaved, know nothing, insult and slander everyone.
But hay, you think I am bad, just wait till the babylonians arrive.
This deluge is a waste of time EG. You have your issues. Hope you enjoy them.
I refuse to describe what you are or what you believe or have any real interaction with you.
I have gone through your accusation and there is nothing there.
If you think you have an audience that cares go ahead. Nothing else left to say, I have said what I want to say.
I refuse to describe what you are or what you believe or have any real interaction with you.
I have gone through your accusation and there is nothing there.
If you think you have an audience that cares go ahead. Nothing else left to say, I have said what I want to say.
EG I am not calling you anything. Zip. You believe what you believe.
I asked what your grounds were for calling me a liar and slanderer. You proved nothing, zero, nada.
It is all provocation on your part. The question was conviction of the Holy Spirit regarding sin.
It appears some think this conviction is only regarding righteousness for christians.
If that is so that is a big difference. I suppose my reason for falling for your baiting is you are an
interesting case, with some odd behaviour patterns. But now it has got boring.
I asked what your grounds were for calling me a liar and slanderer. You proved nothing, zero, nada.
It is all provocation on your part. The question was conviction of the Holy Spirit regarding sin.
It appears some think this conviction is only regarding righteousness for christians.
If that is so that is a big difference. I suppose my reason for falling for your baiting is you are an
interesting case, with some odd behaviour patterns. But now it has got boring.