Rapture= false teaching

[miktre]

Considering I've not said anything about the 144k, I don't know how you know anything about what I "know" about it.

You said you knew the rapture doctrine so why am I having to explain this to you?

 

[miktre]

If you are wrong and the church and body of Christ is raptured before the great tribulation, what are you going to tell the Lord when you have to meet Him face to face at the judgment seat of Christ? Are you going to tell Him that you really believed that's what the scriptures taught so you can not be held accountable for your error and for misleading so many, no harm done? Or are you going to accuse the writers and translators of the scriptures for not making it clear and accuse them before Christ for your error? As a believer you have the Holy Spirit indwelling you, that is there to guide you into all truth. Are you going to tell the Lord that the Spirit did not do His job in guiding you into the truth of the rapture of the church? Are you willing to take the risk of suffering the loss of all rewards because of a terrible misunderstanding about the church that has not been appointed to God's wrath?

As you can see Pastor Joe explains here how the rapture doctrine deceives Christians.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8KBOzflpnM[/video]
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[Browncoat]

You said you knew the rapture doctrine so why am I having to explain this to you?

Because you're not making any sense. I said I knew the rapture doctrine because I used to follow it and even teach it, and then you go and tell me I'm "not qualified" because I "fail to know the scriptures" when they speak of the 144k.

That makes no sense. You assume that just because I know what the rapture doctrine is and what it teaches I'm suddenly ignorant of other biblical matters, which is a faulty assumption.

 

[miktre]

Because you're not making any sense. I said I knew the rapture doctrine because I used to follow it and even teach it, and then you go and tell me I'm "not qualified" because I "fail to know the scriptures" when they speak of the 144k.

That makes no sense. You assume that just because I know what the rapture doctrine is and what it teaches I'm suddenly ignorant of other biblical matters, which is a faulty assumption.

Like I said if you knew the scriptures and are aware of what the false rapture doctrine teaches then you should know what I am talking about. Apparently you don't.

 

[miktre]

Because you're not making any sense. I said I knew the rapture doctrine because I used to follow it and even teach it, and then you go and tell me I'm "not qualified" because I "fail to know the scriptures" when they speak of the 144k.

That makes no sense. You assume that just because I know what the rapture doctrine is and what it teaches I'm suddenly ignorant of other biblical matters, which is a faulty assumption.

Why and when did you renounce Christ as Lord and Saviour?

 

[Browncoat]

Like I said if you knew the scriptures and are aware of what the false rapture doctrine teaches then you should know what I am talking about. Apparently you don't.

I know what the 144k is, however that doesn't mean I know what you're talking about. You're not making any sense. It has nothing to do with how much I do or do not know, it has everything to do with the fact that you are not making any sense.

Hopefully the emphasis helps.

 

[Browncoat]

Why and when did you renounce Christ as Lord and Saviour?

I never have, never will. Once again, I don't see where you're getting this idea from.

 

[miktre]

I know what the 144k is, however that doesn't mean I know what you're talking about. You're not making any sense. It has nothing to do with how much I do or do not know, it has everything to do with the fact that you are not making any sense.

Hopefully the emphasis helps.

Like I said before LoL If you knew it would make sense. I recommend you go back a couple of months on this thread and read where we had a more in depth conversation. That way you will know.

 

[miktre]

I never have, never will. Once again, I don't see where you're getting this idea from.

You never ever believed He was Lord nor Saviour or do you you believe He is Lord and Saviour. I don't understand how you could teach and believe the rapture without believing in Christ.

 

[Browncoat]

You never ever believed He was Lord nor Saviour or do you you believe He is Lord and Saviour.

I do believe he is.

 

[miktre]

I do believe he is.

I did not know that. I thought you were a religious jew.

 

[Browncoat]

Like I said before LoL If you knew it would make sense. I recommend you go back a couple of months on this thread and read where we had a more in depth conversation. That way you will know.

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Okay. I'm going to go through this with you slowly.

I said, "I used to believe the rapture doctrine."

You then said, "You shouldn't speak on a subject you are not qualified to."

I followed that up and asked you how I am not qualified. You responded that I am not qualified because I do not know about the 144k.

Now, that makes absolutely no sense. I never said a single thing about the 144k, so there's no possible way you know what I know about the 144k. Furthermore, while the 144k are RELATED to the rapture doctrine, the two are not SYNONYMOUS. That is, they are not the same doctrine. I know plenty of people who believe in the rapture and also know about the 144k.

So to say I am not qualified to speak about the rapture because you don't know what I believe about the 144k MAKES NO SENSE.

Understand now?

 

[Browncoat]

I did not know that. I thought you were a religious jew.

I am. Never said I wasn't.

 

[miktre]

I am. Never said I wasn't.

Oh I see you just denounced all of Pauls and other writers of the N.T. writings but you used to believe they were Holy scriptures?

 

[Browncoat]

Oh I see you just denounced all of Pauls and other writers of the N.T. writings but you used to believe they were Holy scriptures?

Uhm...no. I haven't denounced any of their writings.

 

[miktre]

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Okay. I'm going to go through this with you slowly.

I said, "I used to believe the rapture doctrine."

You then said, "You shouldn't speak on a subject you are not qualified to."

I followed that up and asked you how I am not qualified. You responded that I am not qualified because I do not know about the 144k.

Now, that makes absolutely no sense. I never said a single thing about the 144k, so there's no possible way you know what I know about the 144k. Furthermore, while the 144k are RELATED to the rapture doctrine, the two are not SYNONYMOUS. That is, they are not the same doctrine. I know plenty of people who believe in the rapture and also know about the 144k.

So to say I am not qualified to speak about the rapture because you don't know what I believe about the 144k MAKES NO SENSE.

Understand now?

I understand, you erred in thinking that I said people who believe in the rapture don't know of the 144,000.

 

[miktre]

Uhm...no. I haven't denounced any of their writings.

I really don't care anymore, its funny that you would believe and teach rapture without believing those writings as Holy inspired.

 

[Browncoat]

I understand, you erred in thinking that I said people who believe in the rapture don't know of the 144,000.

If I was wrong to think that, then you should have communicated better, because what you said means what I apparently "erred" on.

 

[Browncoat]

I really don't care anymore, its funny that you would believe and teach rapture without believing those writings as Holy inspired.

Look, I said I USED to believe and teach it. You speak English, you should know that "used to" is PAST TENSE. If I USED TO to something, I DO NOT DO IT NOW. PAST tense. It is in the past.

That means I do not believe the rapture anymore, nor do I teach it. And I already said it once, I don't denounce any of the NT as inspired.

 

[miktre]

i never saw this in this thread.

many will be deceived, but not in this way. the antichrist will come with many signs and wonders, such that if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. but he does not stage a false rapture.

many who refuse to reveive the love of the truth will be deluded, by god.

in any case, we need something that we can count on to keep us from being deceived.

i think everyone knows what i believe that to be.

The anti-christ(satan himself) preforms these miracles to deceive people that he is Christ. That thing we count on is the Word of God.