Gospel of humanity

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notmyown

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Jesus didn't want us to fall or fail , he wanted us live our lives joyful and accepting of the ways that would give us peace and everlasting love for each other and his ways, to be able to attend sabbath and rejoice not for the preaching of his word but for living it within ourselves and on toward others around us to rejoice together for the lives we are leading and the way we are leading them through the teachings of jesus we haven't failed we have simply changed

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miknik5

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What gospel would we be teaching then if we say we are following Christ. Thus gospel of humanity actually translates to "faith" in ourselves and not faith IN and BECAUSE of HIM

One "ingredient" overlooked in your Preaching another gospel" is our love for HIM and what HE has Firstly and more importantly done for us


CHRIST said if you LOVE ME keep MY commands....the one who keeps MY commands is the one who loves ME and the one who loves ME MY FATHER will love and WE will come and make OUR home with him

Those who love HIM will do what HE says because HE is BOTH their Savior and Lord and GOD knows the difference between those who do empty acts of "faith" and those whose works proceed out of their simple love to do what pleases HIM because of HIM

the one work that we are to do is to be at peace with all men as much as it is in our ability to do so and to in all things. Remain IN Him
 
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ANDYAWAKE

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Yes jesus is with me , in my mind and in my actions I try to live as a reflection of his ways and teachings maybe not in the conventional practised way of most Christians but my day is enlightened and fulfilled in trying to achieve his will through my actions and words , I am not without flaws or failures but have accepted that when these happen it is jesus way of telling me to get back to his ways and teachings each step back in my life has become my reason to move forward
 
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I think most Christians would say that they love jesus and love what he has done for us. I would think that most would admit that they don't live enough of their life in a true reflection of God's teachings in reference not unto themselves but to others in the world we live in
 
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When Peter said "you are the Christ the son of the living God" Peter gave the authority in this physical realm by which Jesus can and is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. Jesus sent out seventy of His apostles with this authority, and when they returned praising God, Jesus replied with what He had seen before "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.". Through everything Jesus has accomplished, satan is trapped on this earth, he cant get off it, he has authority on this earth for a time, but only for a time.

I have heard it said that salvation is not through works, and this is true, isn't it. In Jesus though we have the most powerful anointing creation has ever known in the hands of mortals, mere mortals like us. Jesus said;

"Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [SUP]14 [/SUP]You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

We have this in us but when we look into ourselves we don't believe it, Guess what folks our faith isn't in ourselves its in Jesus. And the danger here is to focus on what we know about works being filthy rags, instead of focusing on Jesus and letting Him have His will.

Jesus showed me the passage about the cloth and the wine skins this past week, and it stood out because it was out of context with what else He said so I asked Him what it was all about. Jesus told me that when the Spirit speaks to us we grow and become more mature, like children learning something new, but when we get set in our ways we stagnate and taking on something new to us casues more trouble to us if we are not renewed, spiritualy and through that physicaly. Physicaly because we then have to move ouit in our life we live every day, doing His will not our will.

"There is a way that seems right to a man and the end thereof is death", stepping out in faith and stepping forward to take Gods word and making desciples and teaching the world around us does not seem right, it is not comfortable, it is strange and un-natural to this body of Adam we live in. If we are comfortable we are in danger, we are not growing.

We all like to defend the church, yet, bless him has been a protagonist with his anti church rhetoric, and we love to shout him down, why? Isn't Jesus big enough to bring him down if he wants to? Does Jesus really want or need you to defend Him? From one of His own servants? I am sure Jesus can deal with yet however He wants to, and I am sure Jesus does. The way to "get at yet" is to listen with the Spirit God has given and take it to God in prayer, and Listen to the Spirit, not your head.

ANDYAWAKE has said things that erk and anger some of us, why? Is the church actually comfortable with corporate worship and is it enough in this world we live in? does the church have a big impact in this world? is Jesus raised up so He can draw people to Himself through our lives through our speech or through our being His people. In the first when Jesus through His Spirit had free reign in His people, where the world was touched there was always a reaction, good or bad always a reaction.

There isn't now is there. How many times when walking down the street does the Spirit say to you"heal this one or that one"? How many times does the Spirit tell you to go alongside someone because you have words of life for them? Getting here is a journey to maturity in Jesus, if we are content to be pew sitters we will never get there, if we are content with worship and prayer week after week after week with the same old faces that is all we will ever have but it isn't what Jesus wants from His Church, His bride the Love of His life.

How can we change? How can we move forward? How can we not make ourselves more damaged by moving forward? (like new cloth in old or new wine in old skins) By having our minds renewed, day by day, by doing our own research, by getting ourselves in to the presence of Jesus not waiting for a pastor or vicar to do it, you don't talk to your own dad by relaying a message through someone else you do it in person, so do it. don't be caught out like the foolish vergins. You cant buy this from anywhere but from the source of it all JESUS and it doesn't cost anything,

“Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and you will delight in the richest of fare.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Give ear and come to me;
listen, that you may live."
 
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It is only when we insist in trying to make Jesus and the church fit into the 17th and 18th Centuries that we force them both into irrelevancy.
 
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This is irrelevancy.
[video=youtube;GQg7EzPeg5Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQg7EzPeg5Q[/video]
 
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ANDYAWAKE

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Erk and anger the words of a Christian I guess my point is being made before all of us
 

miknik5

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I am wondering if the bible is as relevant in today's world as it was 2000 years ago
Can the teachings in the bible stand the test of our time and the world we live in now and in the future
I am stepping back and I apologize for posting so hastily thinking that you were preaching another gospel apart from THE CROSS.

Yes, the WORD of GOD is relevant today because it is HIS WORD to men on how to live lives which are pleasing to HIM because HE is GOD and we are not.
 

miknik5

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Yes magenta but that's gods truth you speak upon ,what we today interpet as quality of being true is to our own satisfaction in today's world , I think the world around us stands testament to us deciding what state of God's truth we live by and teach forward , you make it sound real and certain with your statement but the reality is quite different from what I see and understand from all Christians today.
Because not all are in submission to THE ONE whom GOD has put over all men...and that is because not all men believe.

But the CHRISTIAN is held to a higher responsibility in being a WITNESS of GOD before ALL men...and well, sometimes it is very hard because the circumstances and situations that actually occur while men, who claim they belong to GOD and are called to TESTIFY as WITNESSES of HIM, sometimes bring forth the "wrong fruit".

We are called to do HIS WILL in all things...to love one another, to love even our enemies...but sometimes we do not do the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD...and actually do what is "right" in our own eyes, before what is RIGHT and RIGHTEOUS in HIS eyes...before all men and in all situations and circumstances...and that is where the hypocrisy occurs.

CHRIST said do not become defiled by the world...HE knew that offenses would come, which is why HE said, turn the other cheek...do not return evil for evil, do not avenge, do not live by the sword.

Faith, when all things are going well is very easy faith and it is both easy to have and to show in the world.
It is when things are not going well that faith in HIM and directed in HIM is sometimes harder to have and to show in the world...
 

miknik5

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No I have not met all Christians but if I would like to I could find a congregation of them them pretty easily on a regular basis giving reverence to God in large numbers on a certain day in a certain place I just wish I could say exactly the same in regard to displaying the acts of faith taught and shown to us through jesus maybe the world and society would be a better place .

Do you believe that society is actually moving further and further away from GOD and HIS TRUTH and do you believe that things will get worse, and that what is written in Revelation and prophecied will happen?
 

miknik5

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Jesus didn't want us to fall or fail , he wanted us live our lives joyful and accepting of the ways that would give us peace and everlasting love for each other and his ways, to be able to attend sabbath and rejoice not for the preaching of his word but for living it within ourselves and on toward others around us to rejoice together for the lives we are leading and the way we are leading them through the teachings of jesus we haven't failed we have simply changed
And what did HE mean when HE said, in this world you will have trouble, but take heart for I have overcome the world?

What did HE mean by "take heart"
 

notmyown

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This is irrelevancy.

is it? i don't think so. people who are not in Christ are in danger, and should be warned, right?

i've read a few books by and about Edwards. he was actually a very gracious man. :)
 
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ANDYAWAKE

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This is a sentence of a message that has just been sent to me that kind of reflects the feeling I have regarding Christians today I'm not sure but I think the person is a moderator for this site ."Be stalwart in the Spirit and never loose focus on Jesus while in here".this person is my brother or sister in my love through Christianity and yet they feel obliged to warn me that my contribution does not align with how they want me to be , I think this again explains clearly my point regarding our faith and it's practice and relationship between us
 
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ANDYAWAKE

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Please, please forgive me, miknik5, for the use of the word "he "
I hope you can overlook this literary mistake that I have made it is difficult for me to know how many people I have angered from my contribution
 

miknik5

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Please, please forgive me, miknik5, for the use of the word "he "
I hope you can overlook this literary mistake that I have made it is difficult for me to know how many people I have angered from my contribution
I don't understand what you are saying. Please forgive you? For the use of the word "he"? What should I overlook that I don't even recognize as something wrong?

I am not following you...
 

miknik5

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I went back to look at your posts which I responded to and I don't see anything that I should have to forgive you of.

I don't understand why you are apologizing.

Please explain.
 

miknik5

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This is a sentence of a message that has just been sent to me that kind of reflects the feeling I have regarding Christians today I'm not sure but I think the person is a moderator for this site ."Be stalwart in the Spirit and never loose focus on Jesus while in here".this person is my brother or sister in my love through Christianity and yet they feel obliged to warn me that my contribution does not align with how they want me to be , I think this again explains clearly my point regarding our faith and it's practice and relationship between us

I don't take it that way at all sir.
We are to keep our focus on JESUS.

Maybe this "moderator" was reminding you that when you start looking at your own brother and sister's service (what they do as for the LORD) your own service becomes divided and half-hearted?

Remember Mary and Martha?

The LORD loved them both...but the only issue with Martha was that she started looking at her sister's (so she thought) lack of service) and in doing this, her own service to THE LORD was no longer whole hearted (service)....
 
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ANDYAWAKE

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I'm sorry but no one has the right to give jesus placement ,in any context ,those who believe they have that right are not walking the path of god
 

miknik5

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We are NOT to break faith with one another...and especially as we see the days approaching we are to pray and never cease from praying and NEVER neglect the coming together in fellowship...
We are to encourage and strengthen one another.

Today, we have many churches but it is outward worship in communion with other believers and lacks the element of each and every member of the body sharing each others personal lives. Their victories and their failures...

The first church depicted in Acts, the people LOVED one another, they were full of joy and none held back their love...they shared with one another, and they knew one another...

but now today, we go in and we come out and not many of us who are members of THAT ONE BODY personally know and love the other...

Maybe that is what you are seeing and missing?
It IS what I am missing...

Corporate worship is corporate worship but it still seems not to be together but detached.
There are many suffering, many who are sick, many who are afraid, the old of the parish, who might have doubts, do we know what is causing our brothers and sisters distress and doubt and fear and offense?

We don't. We are too busy...the world is a rush rush moving forward...in and out...and on to the next thing.

None really come together...they do come together yes, in a group...but they are still separated from one another.

That is what I see..